What bhp would u need to beat....
02 October 2011, 08:55 PM
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i have to be honest i am a bit optimistic about some of the comments on here, having a 360bhp blob last year i raced an M3 and yes initially off the line the subaru nails it after that the M3 catches up, they are still 340 odd bhp themselves so some bold claims i think on here.
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02 October 2011, 08:58 PM
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i am not comparing the blob to the classic, i was comparing the M3 to the classics/newages, i understand the classics are alot lighter however "blowing" away M3's is pretty optimistic i think.
02 October 2011, 09:01 PM
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02 October 2011, 09:03 PM
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The other thing to consider is how a Impreza and a M3 puts the power down.An M3's power is all top of the rev range and to get the best out of it you have rag it.
A M3 has only 269 ft lb of torque and i did hear that not all M3 S54 engines made 342bhp out of the factory anyway.
A M3 has only 269 ft lb of torque and i did hear that not all M3 S54 engines made 342bhp out of the factory anyway.
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02 October 2011, 09:08 PM
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1175kg for a type R or there abouts 1240 to 1270 for most clasics depending on type, wagons are a little more nearler 1280/1300 spec dependant again ofc
so 200 odd kg difference or , 3 fat f£uK£$ in the back !
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02 October 2011, 09:11 PM
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A mate of mine put his sti ra on his works weighbridge and weighed bang on the 1260kg mark and we were discussing the difference between our classics and the newage for power comparisons, i.e what you would need in a newage to keep with a well set up classic
I shouLd add his ra had twin 12 inch subs and enclosures in the boot along with amps wiring etc, so not far of the type r weight with all that removed i reckon
I shouLd add his ra had twin 12 inch subs and enclosures in the boot along with amps wiring etc, so not far of the type r weight with all that removed i reckon
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02 October 2011, 09:17 PM
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A bit less than 150 kg for a UK WRX/JDM Spec C or 250kg between classic and UK STi, roughly.
UK WRX - 1385kg
UK STi - 1495kg
UK classic c1250kg, a bit more or less dependant on model, JDM RA 1170kg.
Not sure if the 40bhp typical differential is perhaps UK classic to UK WRX?
Anyway, M3, not yet had a play with one yet in my 360bhp 1390kg Spec C (Litchfield Type 20)!
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02 October 2011, 09:24 PM
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At 2.2lb to a Kilo I wonder if he meant lb,s instead of kilo,s when he said 600, would have been in and around that figure then?
Still, best part of 200kg is a fair difference.
Still, best part of 200kg is a fair difference.
02 October 2011, 09:25 PM
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Interesting to see a 110kg difference between wrx and sti, the sti being the heavier of the two? I would have thought the other way round to be honest.
02 October 2011, 09:38 PM
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Overall, the downside for improvements in safety and rigidity (and resultant handling prowess) is increased weight and therefore the need for more power to reach the same point.
02 October 2011, 10:00 PM
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Think it's mainly down to the difference in weight between the 5sd box and the Sti's 6 sp. It's a very strong box though!
Overall, the downside for improvements in safety and rigidity (and resultant handling prowess) is increased weight and therefore the need for more power to reach the same point.
Overall, the downside for improvements in safety and rigidity (and resultant handling prowess) is increased weight and therefore the need for more power to reach the same point.
In fairness, i hadnt thought about the different gearboxes, hence the reason 6 speeds are ripe for classic replacements when going for big power...
02 October 2011, 10:06 PM
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There's a massive difference between being slightly quicker and blowing away. No classic under 350 would 'blow away' an M3. Yes it would be quicker but definitely wouldn't leave one standing. Even a lardy M3 is still a relatively quick car. I reckon it would give a standard blob STI a good run for it's money.
02 October 2011, 10:10 PM
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02 October 2011, 10:15 PM
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There's a massive difference between being slightly quicker and blowing away. No classic under 350 would 'blow away' an M3. Yes it would be quicker but definitely wouldn't leave one standing. Even a lardy M3 is still a relatively quick car. I reckon it would give a standard blob STI a good run for it's money.
an M3 would beat a standard blob sti i think
02 October 2011, 10:27 PM
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Type R's are pretty heavy, they weigh in at around 1270kg (well my version 5 does), early classic RA's are meant to be the lightest, but start adding the things they need to cope with the power and that weight soon starts building up!
Alot of people forget that the likes of the new age STI's come with bigger wheels, bigger brakes, heavier (stronger) gearboxes, that all adds weight, if you want reliability then you have to make it stronger, add those parts to your classic and it piles on the pounds
Tony
PS, the STI type RA is about 30kg lighter than a standard car on paper, less if its a limited.
Alot of people forget that the likes of the new age STI's come with bigger wheels, bigger brakes, heavier (stronger) gearboxes, that all adds weight, if you want reliability then you have to make it stronger, add those parts to your classic and it piles on the pounds
Tony
PS, the STI type RA is about 30kg lighter than a standard car on paper, less if its a limited.