rumsey

first off when getting the head gasket done when the engine is removed could that have affected the piston rings and/or caused damage??

second he stated its the new clutch causing teh vibration does that lie with exedy?? and would they replace the faulty item?

How can you fix bore wash?

stockcar

bore wash is a result not a cause............

would sugget a compression/leak down test as a first line and go from there

alyn

A.D.Edmundson

Sometimes when you make the top (head) all good it then brings the bottom ends weakness to light....

This is probaly not going to help but i did mention avoid cheap it will cost you in the long run, you need to get it to a specialist but its going to cost you....

https://www.scoobynet.com/general-te...ml#post9810742

rumsey

thanks for the reminder.

so if i am right in saying now we know why the oil is going its a case of finding out why i have bore wash?

is it commonly down to piston rings or can it be related to other things?

also when the garage did this job would removal of the engine and work they did be the contributing factor into why this has happened?

nick172sport

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quite a few people have there bottom ends rebuilt after having headgasket failure i know one specialist what advices this as it happens a lot

A.D.Edmundson

Its more likely to be the rings, as said because the head has been made good the bottom has shown its weakness. As said above really when a headgasket comes in should really for the time it takes whip the pistons out and measure the ring gap....

Either way now its new headgaskets again, hone + rings least case...

rumsey

wooooot i would have to do the gaskets again. fooook me.

least i dont need the rad,water pump,thermostat,clutch,cambelt kit this time.

how much for parts to do the rings etc? i unfortunatley know the costs for the gasket grrrr

A.D.Edmundson

It so difficult to say what it is without seeing it and also taking it apart, id reccomend at this stage you do a minor refresh too (bearings etc), just make sure its tip top b4 it goes bk in...

Tidgy

consider it a lesson lernt, go see a specialist and get it repaird properly, let them supply required parts and you just pay the bill.

going down the bits and bobs route will just end up the same way again

rumsey

easier said than done after already spending 2k

A.D.Edmundson

2k.....

Thats rebuild territory....

rumsey

had new clutch, rad,thermostat,water pump,headgasket,skimmed,inlet manifolds & labour.

so paying god knows how much to get the bottom end sorted is not very appealing.

i heard you may be able to put thicker oil 4 10 or something like that to seal the rings. anyone heard that one before?

also anyone got an idea on costings for bottom end? rings labour etc etc.

KILL ME NOW

A.D.Edmundson

More than willing to do it for you....Ant

scoobiesteve103

have had a similer problem with a garage killing two engines due to lack of computence. i had an agreement with the garage owner/family mate that he fixed my head gaskets and i paint his house. the house was painted and even got my team on it so cost me £600 in labor but the engine was nakerd.(didnt tell me why it was) they agreed it was somthing they had done and said if i buy a new one they will fit it for free. so i found one bought it shiped it down with the instructions by me to change the head gaskets while the engine was out and they set about it. they just dropped the engine in didnt change sod all and left it running out side with no one watching it and boom the head gasket failed and cooked the engine. i asked wot they was gonna do about it and they just said i bought a foooked engine.12 months later the car is now at a real mates having a full rebuild costing xxxx amount. lesson lernt and had no comebacks. altho i dont condone this but as a ex marine with a mild anger management problem ive since seen the two guys from the garage and both have walked in to my fist didnt make me feel any better wot so ever and not worth the charge of assult lol

Tidgy

afraid you need to spend that again chap

as said go at it half cocked again and you'll be at 4k down with nothing to show and have been burnt again.

rumsey

the parts were over £1200 bnever mind labour so not sure how you can say 1000-1200 tops for all those parts and labour

scooby seb

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Sorry but can't see bore wash diluteing(sp) the oil that much so that when it's burn't it's undetected!!!!! if there was that much fuel in the oil you would of knocked out the crank and bearings yonks ago, and to get that much fuel into the sump you've got to have some serious injector leakage!!!

I take it the coolant's been checked for oil and the boost pipes!!

rumsey

just checked the coolant and it aint looking to good. check out the pics and see the mess.








I have done about 400 miles since i noticed the problem. i am guessing i best not driv this car again till it gets sorted.

what and why would the coolant turn like that? and what is the best way to proceed to ry and get this sorted. i am actually shocked.

rob84

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Looks like combustion Gasses have mixed with the coolant from your pictures

rumsey

what can be the cause of this and how can it get sorted?

Cannon Fodder

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Only one way by the exhaust gases going past your head gasket(s), when your car was originally repaired were the heads and block deck checked or skimmed?

rumsey

yes but the seals were not replaced. could it be the seals?

Cannon Fodder

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What seals are you on about?

To have the cylinder deck skimmed would have required the engine to be totally stripped down, the heads may have been checked/skimmed are you sure about the deck?

rob84

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+1

LegacySTi

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I really think its do it correctly or not at all imo.

rumsey

sorry didnt read it properly, i had the heads skimmed.

is this happening due to a new problem after the gasket has been done or is this from the fault of the garage for not doing something correctly?

scooby seb

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You can check the block and head with a straight edge and tourch(when it's apart), but if they did'nt check the block correctly there could be corrosion on the block where it needs a perfect seal with the gaskets

i could'nt see from the pic's if it's actualy oil in the expansion tank, if it is it could be down to a poor job on the fitting of the HG's or missed corrosion on the top of the block or even a cracked block where the oil runninng threw the block is running threw at a greater pressure than the water pressure hence oil in the water!!!

Maybe best to get a sniff test done on the coolant to see if there's exhaust gasses in it, if thats clear then your into blocks and heads being pressure tested but your not going to want to hear this but your into the relms of having the engine fully stripped and checked

Cannon Fodder

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It's possible that your deck (the area of your engine that the cylinder heads bolt to) is warped, if only the heads were skimmed and the deck was warped then the head gasket still wouldn't seal properly.

I had the deck and heads warped on my Impreza and only by chance did I decide to go for a full rebuild so I had the deck checked/skimmed as it was warped, if I'd just had the head gaskets done then I'd have exactly the same problems again.

It looks like you'll have to get the engine stripped down totally, as on the face of it you'll be needing a full stripdown and rebuild.

I don't think warped decks are that common and most head gasket repairs probably 'get away with it'.

rumsey

the garage stated as i only got the headgaskets from subaru and not the headgasket set with all the seals. he thinks that the seals should have been replaced and that is what is causing the issue.

i did think it was bore wash but looking at that coolant tank makes me just think its completely ****ed.

i really need this to be the garages fault as i cant afford to be paying 2k again.

Cannon Fodder

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I'm not trying to be flippant but did you ask them to replace the head gaskets or to investigate the failure and remedy the cause?

If you just asked them to replace the head gaskets/skim heads then I think you haven't got a leg to stand on...