So how do you figure out a good meet for RWYB? I do some hill-climbing in my mildly modded RA and have watched some drag racing but I would be interested to 'have a go'.

 

McLaren F1 1994 627BHP 11.1s
Porsche 911 Turbo 2000 414BHP 12.3s
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VI GSR 1999 276BHP 13.3s
Subaru Impreza WRX STi 1998 280BHP 13.3s
Subura Impreza Turbo 1998 208BHP 14.2s
Porsche Boxter 1999 252BHP 14.3s
Lotus Elise 1996 118BHP 14.4s
Vauxhall Calibra Turbo 4x4 1992 201BHP 14.6s
Lancia Delta HF Integrale 1992 210BHP 14.7s
Ford Sierra RS Cosworth 1987 201BHP 14.8s
Vauxhall VX220 2000 145BHP 14.8s
Ford Escort RS Cosworth 1993 227BHP 14.9s
Rover 220i Turbo Coupe 1994 197BHP 14.9s
Porsche Boxter 2.7 1999 220BHP 14.9s
Ford Escort Cosworth 1994 224BHP 15s
Nissan 200 SX Turbo 1994 197BHP 15s
Renault Sport Clio 16v 1999 166BHP 15s
Nissan Sunny GTi-R 1992 220BHP 15.1s
VW Corrado VR6 1992 190BHP 15.1s
Honda Integra R 1997 187BHP 15.1s
Renault Clio V6 2000 230BHP 15.2s
VW Golf V6 4Motion 1999 204BHP 15.2s
Audi Quattro 1981 200BHP 15.2s
Honda Prelude 2.2i VTEC 1994 183BHP 15.3s
Nissan 200SX Turbo 1992 164BHP 15.3s
Fiat Coupe 16v Turbo 1994 195BHP 15.3s
Vauxhall Cavalier Turbo 4x4 1992 201BHP 15.4s
MG Maestro Turbo 1989 152BHP 15.4s
Porsche Boxster 1997 204BHP 15.6s
Vauxhall Astra Coupe Turbo 2000 187BHP 15.6s
Toyota Celicia 190 2000 189BHP 15.6s
VW Golf VR6 1992 174BHP 15.7s
Porsche 944S 1987 190BHP 15.7s
Vauxhall Astra GTE 16v 1987 156BHP 15.7s
Alfa Romeo 156 V6 1998 190BHP 15.8s
Honda Civic VTi 1991 158BHP 15.8s
Ford Puma Racing 2000 153BHP 15.8s
Honda Accord Type R 1998 209BHP 15.9s
Vauxhall Astra GSi 16v 1991 150BHP 15.9s
Saab 900 Turbo Coupe 1994 185BHP 15.9s
Ford Mondeo ST200 1999 202BHP 15.9s
Toyota MR2 1.8 VVTi 2000 138BHP 15.9s
Vauxhall Astra GTE 8v Tom Stickland! 1991 145BHP 15.95s
Nissan Sunny 2.0GTi 1992 143BHP 16s
Vauxhall Vectra GSi 1998 195BHP 16s
Rover 200 BRM 1998 143BHP 16s
Honda CRX VTi 1992 158BHP 16s
Alfa Romeo 156 1997 155BHP 16s
Citroen Saxo VTS 1997 120BHP 16.1s
Renault Clio Williams 1993 150BHP 16.1s
Ford Mondeo 24v Ghia 1995 168BHP 16.1s
Nissan Almera GTi 1996 143BHP 16.1s
Audi A3 1.8T Sport 1997 150BHP 16.2s
Vauxhall Vectra Super Touring 1997 195BHP 16.2s
Peugot 206 GTi 1999 137BHP 16.2s
Seat Ibiza 1.8 GT 16v 1994 130BHP 16.2s
Renault Megane Coupe 16v 1996 150BHP 16.2s
Ford Probe V6 GT 1993 164BHP 16.2s
Seat Leon GT 2000 180BHP 16.2s
Ford Escort RS Turbo 1987 132BHP 16.2s
Peugot 306 Ralleye 1998 167BHP 16.3s
Peugot 205 GTi 1.9 1987 130BHP 16.4s
Peugot 306 GTi-6 1996 167BHP 16.4s
Honda Civic 1.8 Vti 1997 167BHP 16.4s
Fiat Bravo HGT 1997 147BHP 16.4s
VW Golf GTi 16v 1993 150BHP 16.4s
Citroen Xsara VTS Coupe 1998 167BHP 16.4s
Vauxhall Astra Coupe 2000 147BHP 16.4s
Ford Escort RS2000 1991 150BHP 16.4s
Renault Clio Sport 172 2000 170BHP 16.5s
Ford Mondeo ST24 1998 168BHP 16.5s
Peugot 106 GTi 1997 120BHP 16.5s
Vauxhall Calibra V6 1993 167BHP 16.5s
Ford Fiesta RS1800 1992 128BHP 16.5s
Vauxhall Astra SRi 1998 134BHP 16.5s
Ford Cougar V6 1998 168BHP 16.6s
Nissan Primera GT 1997 150BHP 16.6s
VW Golf V5 1997 150BHP 16.6s
Peugot106 Ralleye 1998 103BHP 16.6s
Fiat Barchetta 1998 130BHP 16.6s
MGF 1.8i 1995 118BHP 16.6s
Ford Puma 1997 123BHP 16.7s
Renault Clio 16v 1991 137BHP 16.7s
Ford Escort XR3i 1992 128BHP 16.7s
VW Golf GTi 1.8T SE 1997 150BHP 16.8s
Seat Ibiza Cupra Sport 16v 1997 150BHP 16.9s
VW Golf Gti MK1 1981 110BHP 16.9s
VW Polo GTi 2000 125BHP 18s

 

Seen that site before which is why I was so happy with my cars times! I knew the 16.1 is crap but equally I'd say my 15.3 is a bit too good! I should think an average VTS with a joe soap driver should achieve about 15.6 on average.

 

Thought I would get my old times out.

2001 MY01 with full scoobysport, and ITG filter.

Reaction 1.211 (best all day .818)
60ft 2.132
330ft 6.123
1/8 ET 9.523
1/8 mph 73.250
1/4 ET 14.933
1/4 mph 89.440

My first ever time, dont really know what to do, but I did try

[Edited by davyboy - 4/23/2002 7:16:16 PM]

 

A lot of it is down to practice and how brutal you are with the clutch and gearchange.The reaction time is not included in the time and only comes into play in a head to head where the driver who's first past the post wins,even with a slower time.I regularly get 0.5-0.8s reaction times with a best of 0.403(record for York last year)and this can give a big advantage when racing a faster car.My best in my gtir was 13.6@99mph on a pretty standard car,I'm expecting high 12s-low 13s this year.
Saxoboy-I've seen plenty of scoobys crack 14s at York,some of them UK models so don't panic.

 

Okay lets sort this

http://www.fantasycars.com/derek/quartmile.html


Plugged in scoob stats

Classic MY99 UK 215bhp and 2700lbs = 14.39 second 1/4 mile

Classic P1/STI 276bhp and 2830lbs = 13.45 second 1/4 mile

New STI 265bhp and 3230 = 14.25 second 1/4 mile

New WRX 215bhp and 3040 = 14.97 second 1/4 mile

Now the Saxo is a bit tricky 120bhp but is rated as 130bhp/ton so doing a bit of nifty calculator work we are looking at 941kgs/2070lbs

So Saxo VTS 120bhp and 2070 = 15.99 second 1/4 mile

So there you go buy a classic STI or P1 .

Oh and before you go on about transmission losses and 4wd grip I know, I know but surely 4wd grip would negate transmission losses .

Just did my RA 276 and 2700 = 13.2 seconds and without the need for a new clutch



Cheers

ChrisP





[Edited by chrisp - 4/23/2002 7:29:49 PM]

[Edited by chrisp - 4/23/2002 7:34:25 PM]

 

...and what about the 22B ?
with maybe a full exhaust and a filter?

 

Or buy a spec to mine (ex) or Cossie Converts.

A second over a 1/4 mile is a long time.

Saxoboy - if you've got that much of a hangup over 1/4 times, I suggest you buy a bike.

 

I've not got that big a hangup about 1/4 miles. I just keep forgeting how good it feels to be in/drive a scooby and when I forget that special feeling I have to turn to the stats to keep my interested - therein lies the problem cause 1/4 mile stats don't really reflect what the scooby is all about.

Think I'll got to bed tonight saying 'wet leaves on the road......off camber corners........gravel....etc' and I'll wake up with more of an appreciation for the scooby

Can't do bikes, I'd end up killing myself! Besides it's not as much fun to hang on as to be thumped into a seat

 

I've run a 12.1 @ 118mph.

Really bad launch.

On street tyres.

This was in my old MY99.

 

That sight seems to give quite a good estimate.

Reckon my old car would do 12.1 with 360hp - close.

Apprently the Westie with 200hp will do 10.9

Or with 380hp 8.9

Not sure on the last one.

 

Woosh? What the heck did you do to an MY99 to get it to 118mph in 12.1 seconds?????

You surely must suffer from Cossies recently discoved boostaholic syndrome

 

Waa Tssh Waaa Tssh Waaaa Tssh Waaaaaaaaa Tssh Waaaaaaaaaaaaa.

1/4 mile in my RA !




[Edited by Cosie Convert - 4/25/2002 10:53:00 AM]

 

thats FQ!

 

i will give it a go when i go up for redline day at santa pod on the 18th may

is anyone else up for it?

 

Used to have a saxo vts janspeed exhaust and piperx induction kit ran three times up santa pod 16.3 fastest time which was 2 seconds faster than saxo vtr i was up against.Now have a uk300 and it will slaughter my old saxo.

Rich

 

P1 @ the Pod - 13.3....

Only modifications are downpipes....

and this was on a very windy day (headwind...might make a bit of difference.)

 

Rich sounds like your Saxo went like a bag of hammers if that's all it could do after modification!

Cossie that posting had me floored with laughter! To be honest I think first gear has a little less 'a's in it!

 

figures for standard vts are 16.1 for 1/4 mile,i think my piperx was getting to hot slowing my time down but only by half a second.A standard vts has no chance against a standard scooby,its only when you start spending large dosh on your saxo that you can start getting near the performance of a scooby.I wouldn't have gone to lad to get my engine work done though as they never seem to get bhp figures right.

Rich

 

so my 13.05 is quite good in my esscy cossie then

nige

 

Ah cold air! My VTS can't get enough of the stuff, the performace difference between summer and winter is very noticeable. What gave you the idea I though the Saxo could keep up with a scooby? A bogo standard scooby running on NUL or perhaps even paraffin with a fat git behind the wheel wouldn't be massivly quicker than one of my VTS's best runs though. When I get the scooby I'll be aiming to crack the 14s barrier with some carful modification and TLC.

 

Saxo you will **** 14secs judging by your runs in your saxo.As I said before,I've seen plenty of imprezas crack 14secs and they were a mix of uk/jap.

 

Right then, new target.... sub 13 seconds Figure I might need a little more than dawes, backbox and airfilter now!

 

You'll probably need over 300bhp for that....or road legal semi slicks.

 

Kenny, if you are expecting to achieve what Cosie has done with a Scooby as your daily driver with long term reliability for the same price you will be bitterly disappointed. Cosie's car is fabulous, but he runs virtually everything well beyond its rated spec, which in my opinion if it is a daily driver is not sensible - his is not a daily driver. You will also not find any sane tuner willing to push it anything like that far for you so you will have to do it all yourself. I could easily turn up my car in about 5 minutes to double standard boost and get a very nice 1/4 mile time (when you came out in my car boost was +45% on standard). It probably wouldn't actually blow up straight away - some cars have run this boost for several months without blowing up - but it is not what I would do unless I wanted to earmark cash for a new engine and have it sitting in my back pocket!

If you wanted a much higher long term reliability of Cosies car you would have to spec it like Craig did at great expense.

Out the box Scoobies are not fast in a straight line. They are not very tunable compared with almost anything else. However, they MY99 does come as quite a good all rounder for reasonable money second hand. It has phenomenal traction and a low centre of gravity. These seem far more striking than the power, but what power you have you can put down.

 

Saxo, a good exhaust and a bit of abuse to the car and low 13's are possible but think of how the car will feel at the end of it (and im talking uk turbo here!!) ive clocked a 13.92 in my MY00 PPP and i was ballsing up the start its possible and acheivable

Tony

 

Don't worry John I was joking! I cover 20-25000 miles a year so any scooby I get needs to be conservativly tuned with long term reliability in mind. Still would like to dip below the 14 seconds but I'm sure that is achieveable without risking engine death.

 

Saxoboy times are quite deceiving on a 1/4 mile.So you've done a 15.3(I think that's what you said),if you raced a car capable of 14s or evn 13s then it's a massive difference.If that car carried on after the 1/4 until 15.3s and the distance was measured it would be about another 50-100 yards in front of your saxo.A second is a long time in a 1/4.I,ve raced amongst other things,a nova turbo diesel LOL and it it finished in about 17ish secs-I finished in about 14s and was literally 1/8mile in front-the second half of the 1/4 is far quicker than the first.

 

Compare 0-100 times I would say. P1 can usually sneak under 13 as can a moderately modded UK car - a standard UK being about 14.5.

Also I actually think 0-60 is not a terribly bad test - although it depends on how you abuse the car, but it gives a very good idea of traction and performance at road speeds - say on twisties. Standard UK best is about 5.2, PPP is about 5.0, further mods or a P1 and you are maybe looking at 4.8. 30-70 times are similar on a Scooby, and a lot less driver dependent.

As pointed out before even 0.5 second off a quarter mile represents a massive difference in power to weight ratio.

 

I think owners of the Impreza turbo 2000's are just taking it easy on the car if they are getting +14 times. "When I was a lad" and had a scoob MY99's and MY00's were all getting 13.7's to 13.9's. Even standard cars were going under 14. Stef even got CK1 down to 13.2 ish.

The new model is well, just to heavy.

Lets also remember it takes alot of power to make small increases in time at Santa Pod.

Best times were Santa Pod 13.723@100mph and Trax99 5.374 0-60. MY99 with backbox and panel filter.

I got a GSX-R 600 now and the Pod beckons


[Edited by Mr Leigh - 4/27/2002 11:05:03 AM]