Alan Jeffery

I'm generalising of course. If it's possible to access sensitive data from a laptop in Cricklewood, they shouldn't be storing data in that way. They are just plain lazy.

Alan Jeffery

Two of my four children are on the Autism spectrum.
Let's just say I recognise the situation.

fastmike

iTrader: (4)

Hmmmm he may not have actually hacked into anything..... he may have just organised a D dos attack on the servers....... a totally different thing to hacking , and not too difficult to do if your intended target has poor security.... or you can raise enough bots on proxy servers to carry out a sustained attack..... at best it would just inconvenience them for a while

CREWJ

Because the situations are completely different and unrelated.

tony de wonderful

If it is a spectrum then everyone is on it, just most of us right at one end.

It's the latest fad for everyone to have 'something' - even though most of the time it is just a 'syndrome' which is not really a thing at all. Doctors love giving out these labels.

Please don't think I am being heartless and I recognise the handicap that Autism is, but just become we are not all 'normal' does not mean we 'have something'.

tony de wonderful

Not unrelated in the sense they may warrant extradition, or are we back to you thinking extradition should depend upon the emotive quality of the crime?

kenc

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If he did manage to hack the CIA, FBI etc etc, and has these abilities at his demand then he will be of better use to the above agencies being on board with them rather than being locked up.
Could be the start of a whole new carrer and his first pay cheque

madscoob

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it takes on average 3doctors 3 years and a 1000 question survey to get a child labled as you put it tony with asd . i should know our oldest has it . and even then the doctor was very reluctant to diagnose , for obvious reasons (goverments liability/compo ,) if and when its proven to be linked to mmr jabs , my other 2 children never had the jab and are normal , if thats possible , the last doctor i saw with daniel explained us all having it as . if you went into work one day and someone had put their coat on your peg , if you moved it that is a sign of asd . as for adhd its quite common for a child with it to become obsessed with something if it intrests them , and to have little or now intrest with other forms of learing . ie maths english all the boring stuff . a example , i tought dan to count multiply subtract and devide using toy cars . at the age of 5 he memorized the names and years of 400 sports cars from 1900-2000 in a book my father gave him , even pronouncing porshe lambo etc properly

CREWJ

I'm saying a hacker shouldn't be treated as a child murderer/rapist

tony de wonderful

What is 'it' anyway? It's just a loose pattern of behavior...a syndrome. It is not an IT like a stone is a thing. Anyway it seems to make people happy to have a label.

Anyway back to point. Are you saying an ASD adult has diminished responsibility? What other crimes should they be excuse of?

madscoob

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yes a asd adult could have a mental age of a child , my dan its 16 in body but about 9 in mind and unlikly to greatly improve . a asd adult will have little if any understanding of the world outside their head . unlike us who understand the consequences of our actions , google it look it up or better still watch RAIN MAN

tony de wonderful

Rain man is one very extreme end of the spectrum.

Many academics and clever people are Aspies.

madscoob

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ACTUALLY its quite low level , high level is my wifes sisters boy who is 18, in nappies unable to feed himself hummms all the time , schreechs at her 24/7 and is unable to talk , autistic people do have some amazing abilities , a example of which is the autistic man who works for the mod , he has a photographic memory and can tell you the part number and rack number for any spare part for a challanger tank , but someone has to come along at dinertime and break time to tell him its time to eat ,they can be a genious at somethings drawing maths etc basically whatever intrests them , but are unable sometimes to understand everyday life as we see it , they will laugh if you hurt yourself , laugh at the wrong things , have little understanding of love and affection , or will go the other way and be over affectionate. dan hugs me everyday when i come home from work , or going out will say hello to everyone , the boy/girl geniuses you see in the papers very often only have the symptoms that are the amazing learining ability

tony de wonderful

So most low level aspies have some savant abilities? Now that is BS.

Many people fit on to the 'spectum' have some autistic -like behaviors and idiosyncrasies.

madscoob

iTrader: (3)

WHERE IN MY POST DID I SAY MOST I MENT SOME ,some people my become obsessed with certain things and not have asd ,that is just obbsessive behaviour , reading between the lines, of a story or newspaper or a bit like posting many many threads about the asian community , or fuel economy as per ps lewis .we all have it its just whether its becomes evident or not as per our actions . ie collectomania theres another example . people who become obbsessed with comic book collections , stamps etc, and i mean obbsessed not just normal collectors

tony de wonderful

So obsessives should be excused committing crimes?

madscoob

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no not at all . but not truely autistic adults trapped in a childs mind , ie the other bloke fighting the extradition to america, for hacking , he truely believed he was looking in the fbi files for aliens , cant remember his name but from memory he was about 29 with the mental age of less than eleven .they should be medically understood firts to make sure they understand what they have done

Alan Jeffery

I don't think you're heartless, I think you're brainless you absolute ****.

dean_gti

Some info for you to chew over for anyone still interested in this and not the 1st ever spectator hack the world attempt happening right now.

Sony is the only hack so far people, and 3 groups all have claimed the fame....

The fbi dox on some of their users was not only right and good, but it was going to be done by another team last year........You DO NOT use your name in a password and you DO NOT re-use your passwords....... Even the holy'er than thou white hats and peon scene ****** would not moan about the fbi.

Followed by the fact the fbi told the world by running into a hosting company where a server was in use by a team and thinking 1 server = 1 whole server rack so took it taking about 20 businesses offline (yes they are that retarded)..... the usual ircs blew up with laughter.

The fbi have lost the respect of the whole hacking scene..... even the whites and peons are laughing.

The rest are simple low level ion cannon type code ddos raids and email bombs.

Still no one is up in arms at the companys who say your info is safe cannot even protect it against skiddys let alone protect them from the 1337.

I find every exploit they have pulled 100% right and 100% providing Lulz for the masses.


Do not brand these people hackers. Sure they can and will hack if needs be. Think of them as digital activist because that's exactly what they are. Ryan cleary is sitting in a cell because of that nothing more thats the only reason he was caught by the way...... the police were not closing in on him until then.

Anon dropped the dox on ryan cleary aka viraL on may the 11th via their facebook account

Ryan himself is/was a million plus botnet owner/hacker who's alias is viraL, he runs nothing on an international level as he is a mere skiddy to some hackers. If the people saying stuff like "he should go work for the fbi etc" only knew how good some teams are you would realise why all the govenments are worried about this issue.


the hacks and attacks have continued for the last 48 hours as you will see on twitter @anonops and @LulzSec


If team poison have what they say they have then they say they are going to drop the dox on every member of LulzSec and annon...... the fbi will think it's xmas day as real hackers come to the rescue once again lol.





Random post I know but just thought the thread needed some facts that dont come from the bbc or sun

Alan Jeffery

And we all thought Esperanto was dead in the water!

dpb

This guys an adult and hes hacked into some foreign countries national security

- off you go to face investigation/trail and dont pass go

Leslie

Yes I agree with dpb. He is intelligent and old enough to know what he is doing. They don't like people hacking into secret files etc. and if you do it you can expect retribution and you are not in a position to complain about it.

Les

hodgy0_2

I must admit i had to read the following line a few times,

"Anon dropped the dox on ryan cleary aka viraL on may the 11th via their facebook account"

but my Esperanto is a bit rusty

P1Drifter

iTrader: (7)

basically he was grassed up by other 'hackers'

dean_gti

Dox = internet speak for documents on people, their addresses, real name age phone number pics, mums name, dads name the whole lot to the world. Here for example are the dox that were posted on ryan by anon.

http://sites.google.com/site/ryanclearydoxleaked/

http://arstechnica.com/security/news...nforcement.ars

Alan Jeffery

Thanks for that, I thought I'd fallen asleep and woken up in Finland!

CREWJ

They knew quite a bit about him then.

tony de wonderful

I decide myself what to think thanks.

If Ryan does have a political agenda then he has his mouth to talk about it.

Besides if crimes have been committed then crimes has been committed.

Crime is only ok if made a political action if you're in the Baider-Meinhoff gang.

markb_s1

Whilst I agree with your point to some degree, as someone working in IT/information security I would like to point out it's a hell of a lot harder to plug all these security holes than it usually is to exploit them!

that said, I would have expected government agencies - in the US in particular - to be a bit more on the ball!

Fantom

Is there anyone else that would be quite happy to see these hacker type groups burnt at the stake?
Especially all the scammers