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12 June 2011, 10:39 PM
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UK STI hawk is only 280 bhp and weighs around 1430kg, so you shouldn't be surprised that a lightweight 240 bhp hatch gave you a run for your money. You need a sport cat / decat remap or upgrade to a JDM STI.
13 June 2011, 06:30 AM
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did You owe auto-gearbox Wrx from US?next sti suspension in 2004 car is the same crap like in 2004 wrx- time to change.
i cant belive some drive in near to 300hp cars in so old suspension and so ****ty tyres like falkens etc. try drive 120miles and you will dancing from curb to curb
if you have full service, nothing wrong with car, where is logic change on sti(who knows what You buy, better upgrade on 6 speed) and stay away with gay-****ty blue interior.
STI owners they think they drive WRC car or other rally car which is not even close to.
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13 June 2011, 11:38 AM
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True, but every man and his dog is having his diesel remapped or chipped, and you will find it's the torque figures that count in the real world. 150/180bhp can result in torque figures in the 300's and a 2.0 wrx needs over 300 bhp to see 300Nm.
so many a rep mobile can worry a standard wrx especially in the mid range.
Dont know the numbers, but ill bet a 330d beemer will muller a standard wrx and you can pick one up for 6k these days.
Hell i'm after a circa 2000/02 audi A4 for the mrs and iv'e seen alot of the 2.5 v6 tdi up for less than 2k and that has a top speed of 163mph before a chip i bet it would see well into 400Nm with a tweek
and return 40 to the gallon..
so many a rep mobile can worry a standard wrx especially in the mid range.
Dont know the numbers, but ill bet a 330d beemer will muller a standard wrx and you can pick one up for 6k these days.
Hell i'm after a circa 2000/02 audi A4 for the mrs and iv'e seen alot of the 2.5 v6 tdi up for less than 2k and that has a top speed of 163mph before a chip i bet it would see well into 400Nm with a tweek
and return 40 to the gallon..BMW 330d 0-100mph 21.68 secs, 60-100 mph 13.91 secs
03 Blob 0-100 mph 17.45 secs, 60-100 mph 11.33 secs
Torque is irrelevant, if the resulting BHP per ton is naff.
Look at the Honda Civic Type R models
Petrol with 142 lbs ft, 0-100 mph 17 secs, 60-100 10.5 secs
Diesel with 252 lbs ft (and more than the 03 blob), 0-100 mph 28 secs, 60-100 19.5 secs
The reality is that there is no substitute for good old petrol engine BHP.
13 June 2011, 11:50 AM
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Well here are the numbers :-
BMW 330d 0-100mph 21.68 secs, 60-100 mph 13.91 secs
03 Blob 0-100 mph 17.45 secs, 60-100 mph 11.33 secs
Torque is irrelevant, if the resulting BHP per ton is naff.
Look at the Honda Civic Type R models
Petrol with 142 lbs ft, 0-100 mph 17 secs, 60-100 10.5 secs
Diesel with 252 lbs ft (and more than the 03 blob), 0-100 mph 28 secs, 60-100 19.5 secs
The reality is that there is no substitute for good old petrol engine BHP.
BMW 330d 0-100mph 21.68 secs, 60-100 mph 13.91 secs
03 Blob 0-100 mph 17.45 secs, 60-100 mph 11.33 secs
Torque is irrelevant, if the resulting BHP per ton is naff.
Look at the Honda Civic Type R models
Petrol with 142 lbs ft, 0-100 mph 17 secs, 60-100 10.5 secs
Diesel with 252 lbs ft (and more than the 03 blob), 0-100 mph 28 secs, 60-100 19.5 secs
The reality is that there is no substitute for good old petrol engine BHP.
But with a £200 chip i'll wager it's a different story, likewise in the real world in traffic ect, there will be nothing in it, as the op discovered and many others no doubt.
I t has been discussed on here numerous times, you need a 100bhp advantage to leave someone for dead on the road,as well as the talent to use it.
13 June 2011, 12:18 PM
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Personally i wouldn't modify an engine with that mileage. I would however spend some money on the suspension and brakes and you will end up with a 'quicker' car with better handling and stopping power.
13 June 2011, 12:59 PM
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In answer the OP's original question;
May be fit a TD05, front mount intercooler and then a remap. Should see 330bhp.
Will set you back around £1500-£2000.
You could sell it and buy and STI, but then you'll spending more on the car purchase and not really know what you have bought. You have a car that you now know quite well. To some people, car's actually mean something and they would rather keep what they have rahter then sell it just to go extra 10mph faster (where you can that is) or get to 60mph 0.5 seconds quicker.
Then again, you might want to prove that your ***** is bigger than the guy in the Clio 172 (wow, how proud would you be to beat one of those
) next you, in which case, you HAVE to buy an STI......well according to some people. 
May be fit a TD05, front mount intercooler and then a remap. Should see 330bhp.
Will set you back around £1500-£2000.
You could sell it and buy and STI, but then you'll spending more on the car purchase and not really know what you have bought. You have a car that you now know quite well. To some people, car's actually mean something and they would rather keep what they have rahter then sell it just to go extra 10mph faster (where you can that is) or get to 60mph 0.5 seconds quicker.
Then again, you might want to prove that your ***** is bigger than the guy in the Clio 172 (wow, how proud would you be to beat one of those
) next you, in which case, you HAVE to buy an STI......well according to some people.
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13 June 2011, 02:50 PM
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In answer the OP's original question;
May be fit a TD05, front mount intercooler and then a remap. Should see 330bhp.
Will set you back around £1500-£2000.
You could sell it and buy and STI, but then you'll spending more on the car purchase and not really know what you have bought. You have a car that you now know quite well. To some people, car's actually mean something and they would rather keep what they have rahter then sell it just to go extra 10mph faster (where you can that is) or get to 60mph 0.5 seconds quicker.
Then again, you might want to prove that your ***** is bigger than the guy in the Clio 172 (wow, how proud would you be to beat one of those ) next you, in which case, you HAVE to buy an STI......well according to some people.
May be fit a TD05, front mount intercooler and then a remap. Should see 330bhp.
Will set you back around £1500-£2000.
You could sell it and buy and STI, but then you'll spending more on the car purchase and not really know what you have bought. You have a car that you now know quite well. To some people, car's actually mean something and they would rather keep what they have rahter then sell it just to go extra 10mph faster (where you can that is) or get to 60mph 0.5 seconds quicker.
Then again, you might want to prove that your ***** is bigger than the guy in the Clio 172 (wow, how proud would you be to beat one of those
) next you, in which case, you HAVE to buy an STI......well according to some people. I know there are those that can do it cheaper, but they are firmly in the minority.
You cannot seriously give someone the advice to spend that amount of cash on a car solely on the basis that they know the car they have..
And at the end of the 4k ish spend i know which car i and many others would rather be the owner of..
13 June 2011, 03:05 PM
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WRX is better than a STI....
if you're an old man with no *****
Relax and dont take the sti vs wrx stuff so serious they are both nice bits of kit when you tinker with them
if you're an old man with no *****
Relax and dont take the sti vs wrx stuff so serious they are both nice bits of kit when you tinker with them
13 June 2011, 03:16 PM
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Doubt very much that he will see 330bhp without a 3 inch cat back and up pipe, fuel pump and panel filter so closer to 2.5k me thinks and at that level really needs to think brakes and suspension as well so add another 1k at least, then what about gear box and clutch, the list goes on and on, come on be realistic the lad is looking at the thick end of 4k to do it properly and thats before a gear box failure.
I know there are those that can do it cheaper, but they are firmly in the minority.
You cannot seriously give someone the advice to spend that amount of cash on a car solely on the basis that they know the car they have..
And at the end of the 4k ish spend i know which car i and many others would rather be the owner of..
I know there are those that can do it cheaper, but they are firmly in the minority.
You cannot seriously give someone the advice to spend that amount of cash on a car solely on the basis that they know the car they have..
And at the end of the 4k ish spend i know which car i and many others would rather be the owner of..
Also, why does he need suspension and brake upgrades if he is just looking for a bit of extra punch on the road??
4 Pot brakes will easily handle 330bhp with the correct disc/pad combo. As for the suspension, a stronger rear ARB will work magic. Or am I missing something else? And guess what, STI 6 Speed boxes and engines also have quite a few failures.
As I have said before, my old MY99 UK Turbo with a 3 inch exhaust system, remap and eibach springs, was more than a match for my standard MY98 STI 4 that I had previously. Both were great cars, but there really wasn't as much difference as everyone makes out.
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13 June 2011, 03:23 PM
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I've found subaru 4 pots ok for 350bhp, no matter what the bhp though subaru 4 pots will fade away under sustained abuse fairly easy, and the reason alot of what you would think low powered cars 300bhp run brembo and ap setups. They just use their brakes to drive faster so need better brakes than average joe who does not know that better brakes are worth 100bhp.
13 June 2011, 03:23 PM
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In answer the OP's original question;
May be fit a TD05, front mount intercooler and then a remap. Should see 330bhp.
Will set you back around £1500-£2000.
You could sell it and buy and STI, but then you'll spending more on the car purchase and not really know what you have bought. You have a car that you now know quite well. To some people, car's actually mean something and they would rather keep what they have rahter then sell it just to go extra 10mph faster (where you can that is) or get to 60mph 0.5 seconds quicker.
Then again, you might want to prove that your ***** is bigger than the guy in the Clio 172 (wow, how proud would you be to beat one of those ) next you, in which case, you HAVE to buy an STI......well according to some people.
May be fit a TD05, front mount intercooler and then a remap. Should see 330bhp.
Will set you back around £1500-£2000.
You could sell it and buy and STI, but then you'll spending more on the car purchase and not really know what you have bought. You have a car that you now know quite well. To some people, car's actually mean something and they would rather keep what they have rahter then sell it just to go extra 10mph faster (where you can that is) or get to 60mph 0.5 seconds quicker.
Then again, you might want to prove that your ***** is bigger than the guy in the Clio 172 (wow, how proud would you be to beat one of those
) next you, in which case, you HAVE to buy an STI......well according to some people.
13 June 2011, 03:30 PM
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I've found subaru 4 pots ok for 350bhp, no matter what the bhp though subaru 4 pots will fade away under sustained abuse fairly easy, and the reason alot of what you would think low powered cars 300bhp run brembo and ap setups. They just use their brakes to drive faster so need better brakes than average joe who does not know that better brakes are worth 100bhp.
13 June 2011, 03:37 PM
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I've found subaru 4 pots ok for 350bhp, no matter what the bhp though subaru 4 pots will fade away under sustained abuse fairly easy, and the reason alot of what you would think low powered cars 300bhp run brembo and ap setups. They just use their brakes to drive faster so need better brakes than average joe who does not know that better brakes are worth 100bhp.
If you are over-heating your brakes on the public road, you need to look at your driving!
I.E. Slow the **** down.
13 June 2011, 05:59 PM
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Ok where to start. keep the 4 pots newage weighs about 100kg + more than a classic, new discs and pads £250.
Anti-roll bar, drop links, anti lift kit and geo circa £400.
Eibac springs not sure but will estimate @ £150.
Thats £800 and a 5min sprited drive through the derbyshire dales will see the breaks smoking and fading like all buggery.. or if he opts for pf pads they will eat the discs.. and thats with the power he has now
Tdo5 turbo again not sure but i would not buy second hand turbo off ebay and the like as a fecked turbo can cost you an engine so £800 ok with you?
Front mount £300 ish for a half decent one k&n filter set up £200 ish.
fuel pump £120
Exhaust £400 ish might pick up second hand a bit cheaper.
open source remap £250.
Plus labour if he can't fit it all himself. so lets call it 3k just for the sake of the discussion
All this for a car he's had for 5 months that cost around the 4k mark, and has over 100k on the engine and clutch and is due a timing belt / major service in a few thousand miles.
Are you out of your mind it's completly
But im done now, ok you win
The wrx is better mod away, as i said it's the op's money,not mine
p.s and he would probably get 3k for it on a good day the way prices are at the moment.
newage weighs about 100kg + more than a classic, new discs and pads £250.Anti-roll bar, drop links, anti lift kit and geo circa £400.
Eibac springs not sure but will estimate @ £150.
Thats £800 and a 5min sprited drive through the derbyshire dales will see the breaks smoking and fading like all buggery.. or if he opts for pf pads they will eat the discs.. and thats with the power he has now
Tdo5 turbo again not sure but i would not buy second hand turbo off ebay and the like as a fecked turbo can cost you an engine so £800 ok with you?
Front mount £300 ish for a half decent one k&n filter set up £200 ish.
fuel pump £120
Exhaust £400 ish might pick up second hand a bit cheaper.
open source remap £250.
Plus labour if he can't fit it all himself. so lets call it 3k just for the sake of the discussion
All this for a car he's had for 5 months that cost around the 4k mark, and has over 100k on the engine and clutch and is due a timing belt / major service in a few thousand miles.
Are you out of your mind it's completly
But im done now, ok you win
The wrx is better mod away, as i said it's the op's money,not mine
p.s and he would probably get 3k for it on a good day the way prices are at the moment.
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Ok where to start. keep the 4 pots newage weighs about 100kg + more than a classic, new discs and pads £250.
Anti-roll bar, drop links, anti lift kit and geo circa £400.
Eibac springs not sure but will estimate @ £150.
Thats £800 and a 5min sprited drive through the derbyshire dales will see the breaks smoking and fading like all buggery.. or if he opts for pf pads they will eat the discs.. and thats with the power he has now
Tdo5 turbo again not sure but i would not buy second hand turbo off ebay and the like as a fecked turbo can cost you an engine so £800 ok with you?
Front mount £300 ish for a half decent one k&n filter set up £200 ish.
fuel pump £120
Exhaust £400 ish might pick up second hand a bit cheaper.
open source remap £250.
Plus labour if he can't fit it all himself. so lets call it 3k just for the sake of the discussion
All this for a car he's had for 5 months that cost around the 4k mark, and has over 100k on the engine and clutch and is due a timing belt / major service in a few thousand miles.
Are you out of your mind it's completly
But im done now, ok you win
The wrx is better mod away, as i said it's the op's money,not mine
p.s and he would probably get 3k for it on a good day the way prices are at the moment.
newage weighs about 100kg + more than a classic, new discs and pads £250.Anti-roll bar, drop links, anti lift kit and geo circa £400.
Eibac springs not sure but will estimate @ £150.
Thats £800 and a 5min sprited drive through the derbyshire dales will see the breaks smoking and fading like all buggery.. or if he opts for pf pads they will eat the discs.. and thats with the power he has now
Tdo5 turbo again not sure but i would not buy second hand turbo off ebay and the like as a fecked turbo can cost you an engine so £800 ok with you?
Front mount £300 ish for a half decent one k&n filter set up £200 ish.
fuel pump £120
Exhaust £400 ish might pick up second hand a bit cheaper.
open source remap £250.
Plus labour if he can't fit it all himself. so lets call it 3k just for the sake of the discussion
All this for a car he's had for 5 months that cost around the 4k mark, and has over 100k on the engine and clutch and is due a timing belt / major service in a few thousand miles.
Are you out of your mind it's completly
But im done now, ok you win
The wrx is better mod away, as i said it's the op's money,not mine
p.s and he would probably get 3k for it on a good day the way prices are at the moment.
So if his car is only worth £3k now, why sell it? Surely he is best to enjoy his investment. What will a good condition STI blobeye cost then? £8K?
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13 June 2011, 09:51 PM
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Ok where to start. keep the 4 pots newage weighs about 100kg + more than a classic, new discs and pads £250.
Anti-roll bar, drop links, anti lift kit and geo circa £400.
Eibac springs not sure but will estimate @ £150.
Thats £800 and a 5min sprited drive through the derbyshire dales will see the breaks smoking and fading like all buggery.. or if he opts for pf pads they will eat the discs.. and thats with the power he has now
Tdo5 turbo again not sure but i would not buy second hand turbo off ebay and the like as a fecked turbo can cost you an engine so £800 ok with you?
Front mount £300 ish for a half decent one k&n filter set up £200 ish.
fuel pump £120
Exhaust £400 ish might pick up second hand a bit cheaper.
open source remap £250.
Plus labour if he can't fit it all himself. so lets call it 3k just for the sake of the discussion
All this for a car he's had for 5 months that cost around the 4k mark, and has over 100k on the engine and clutch and is due a timing belt / major service in a few thousand miles.
Are you out of your mind it's completly
But im done now, ok you win
The wrx is better mod away, as i said it's the op's money,not mine
p.s and he would probably get 3k for it on a good day the way prices are at the moment.
newage weighs about 100kg + more than a classic, new discs and pads £250.Anti-roll bar, drop links, anti lift kit and geo circa £400.
Eibac springs not sure but will estimate @ £150.
Thats £800 and a 5min sprited drive through the derbyshire dales will see the breaks smoking and fading like all buggery.. or if he opts for pf pads they will eat the discs.. and thats with the power he has now
Tdo5 turbo again not sure but i would not buy second hand turbo off ebay and the like as a fecked turbo can cost you an engine so £800 ok with you?
Front mount £300 ish for a half decent one k&n filter set up £200 ish.
fuel pump £120
Exhaust £400 ish might pick up second hand a bit cheaper.
open source remap £250.
Plus labour if he can't fit it all himself. so lets call it 3k just for the sake of the discussion
All this for a car he's had for 5 months that cost around the 4k mark, and has over 100k on the engine and clutch and is due a timing belt / major service in a few thousand miles.
Are you out of your mind it's completly
But im done now, ok you win
The wrx is better mod away, as i said it's the op's money,not mine
p.s and he would probably get 3k for it on a good day the way prices are at the moment.
new discs and pads - £250
used STi suspension with springs - £200
vf35 turbo - £300
decat up pipe - £70
walbro fuel pump - £80
STi pink injectors - £120
STi intercooler - £160
full decat exhaust - £250
open source map - £300
£1730.00 plus labour for 330bhp
the way the market is at the minute. buy a cheap blob for £3k and spend £2.5k on modding it.
cheaper than paying £8k for a 2003 blob STi
13 June 2011, 10:22 PM
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330BHP can be had quite cheaply on a newage wrx these days, as said though it is how long the other components last once the mods are completed.
new discs and pads - £250
used STi suspension with springs - £200
vf35 turbo - £300
decat up pipe - £70
walbro fuel pump - £80
STi pink injectors - £120
STi intercooler - £160
full decat exhaust - £250
open source map - £300
£1730.00 plus labour for 330bhp
the way the market is at the minute. buy a cheap blob for £3k and spend £2.5k on modding it.
cheaper than paying £8k for a 2003 blob STi
new discs and pads - £250
used STi suspension with springs - £200
vf35 turbo - £300
decat up pipe - £70
walbro fuel pump - £80
STi pink injectors - £120
STi intercooler - £160
full decat exhaust - £250
open source map - £300
£1730.00 plus labour for 330bhp
the way the market is at the minute. buy a cheap blob for £3k and spend £2.5k on modding it.
cheaper than paying £8k for a 2003 blob STi
think you missed out the roll bar ect and geo so plus £400 + fitting
So 6k for a car thats worth 3.5k with the mods.
And still has 108k miles and still needs all the fluids and the cam belt changing sooner rather than later and braided hoses,thick end of 1k.
:w all:
13 June 2011, 10:38 PM
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Oh and lets not forget the clutch and imminent gear box failure.
so with a decent clutch we finally made it to a car that stands him at around the 7.5k mark and is worth 3.5k..
That 8k blob sti with stronger internals and brembos and dccd and a six speed box and probably mapped to 360 is not looking so expensive now.
so with a decent clutch we finally made it to a car that stands him at around the 7.5k mark and is worth 3.5k..
That 8k blob sti with stronger internals and brembos and dccd and a six speed box and probably mapped to 360 is not looking so expensive now.
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14 June 2011, 12:19 AM
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Fantastic, used suspension and turbo
think you missed out the roll bar ect and geo so plus £400 + fitting
So 6k for a car thats worth 3.5k with the mods.
And still has 108k miles and still needs all the fluids and the cam belt changing sooner rather than later and braided hoses,thick end of 1k.
:w all:
think you missed out the roll bar ect and geo so plus £400 + fitting
So 6k for a car thats worth 3.5k with the mods.
And still has 108k miles and still needs all the fluids and the cam belt changing sooner rather than later and braided hoses,thick end of 1k.
:w all: and have been for nearly 15,000 miles.For you info suspension and and turbo where from a 39k wr1 which had been written off. Nothing at all wrong with "used"
Dont need an anti roll bar, car is fine for road use without one.
With reference to needing fluids and cam belt doing, for alot of people this is done when purchasing any new impreza for piece of mind. so doesnt really count as a mod. more maintenance. Anyway cambelt is not due at 108,000 miles it should have been done at 90,000
Also im not looking for braided hoses, my breaking setup is fine.
some of your mods are OTT, a 330bhp+ newage wrx can be had for little money these days face it. Not everybody needs an STi
Oh and lets not forget the clutch and imminent gear box failure.
so with a decent clutch we finally made it to a car that stands him at around the 7.5k mark and is worth 3.5k..
That 8k blob sti with stronger internals and brembos and dccd and a six speed box and probably mapped to 360 is not looking so expensive now.
so with a decent clutch we finally made it to a car that stands him at around the 7.5k mark and is worth 3.5k..
That 8k blob sti with stronger internals and brembos and dccd and a six speed box and probably mapped to 360 is not looking so expensive now.
Granted extras would be nice brembos, dccd and so on. But id rather have done what i have to my wrx because i know the car and its history. Not really interested in taking a 8k punt on a car that could clap out on me after couple of weeks. Id rather stay safe in the fact my trusty old wrx is still upto the task of giving me what i need as a day to day driver.
14 June 2011, 01:05 AM
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disels can make some impresive torque figures but surely they only meet those for about 0.5 secs wheras a sti will meet it most the way through to 5.2k rpm either way u will rock a diesel , unless ofc ur talking about a audi r18 or such and for 2mil id hope you are getting that performance all the way
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14 June 2011, 07:20 AM
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Thats the setup im running and have been for nearly 15,000 miles.
For you info suspension and and turbo where from a 39k wr1 which had been written off. Nothing at all wrong with "used"
Dont need an anti roll bar, car is fine for road use without one.
With reference to needing fluids and cam belt doing, for alot of people this is done when purchasing any new impreza for piece of mind. so doesnt really count as a mod. more maintenance. Anyway cambelt is not due at 108,000 miles it should have been done at 90,000
Also im not looking for braided hoses, my breaking setup is fine.
some of your mods are OTT, a 330bhp+ newage wrx can be had for little money these days face it. Not everybody needs an STi
Again my setup is running fine, had my clutch and gearbox checked out today actually. Still feels as good as the day i got it.
Granted extras would be nice brembos, dccd and so on. But id rather have done what i have to my wrx because i know the car and its history. Not really interested in taking a 8k punt on a car that could clap out on me after couple of weeks. Id rather stay safe in the fact my trusty old wrx is still upto the task of giving me what i need as a day to day driver.
and have been for nearly 15,000 miles.For you info suspension and and turbo where from a 39k wr1 which had been written off. Nothing at all wrong with "used"
Dont need an anti roll bar, car is fine for road use without one.
With reference to needing fluids and cam belt doing, for alot of people this is done when purchasing any new impreza for piece of mind. so doesnt really count as a mod. more maintenance. Anyway cambelt is not due at 108,000 miles it should have been done at 90,000
Also im not looking for braided hoses, my breaking setup is fine.
some of your mods are OTT, a 330bhp+ newage wrx can be had for little money these days face it. Not everybody needs an STi
Again my setup is running fine, had my clutch and gearbox checked out today actually. Still feels as good as the day i got it.
Granted extras would be nice brembos, dccd and so on. But id rather have done what i have to my wrx because i know the car and its history. Not really interested in taking a 8k punt on a car that could clap out on me after couple of weeks. Id rather stay safe in the fact my trusty old wrx is still upto the task of giving me what i need as a day to day driver.
The facts are to go to the second stage, and do it Properley to end up with a well balanced car that stops and handles, you need every thing i said,and a bit more.
A car with more power that is not set up right and the brakes are questionable, is just plain dangerous, many a more experienced subaru owner than i will tell you.
I would take a car with the mods you have or don't more to the point, and it would be a smoking pile of **** that understeered didn't stop swayed up and down all over the place whilst on a sprited drive and i don't claim to be a hero.
But it's horses for courses.
Cut corners and you end up in a field one day,if your lucky..
14 June 2011, 09:26 AM
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Scooby Senior
A car with more power that is not set up right and the brakes are questionable, is just plain dangerous, many a more experienced subaru owner than i will tell you.