tony de wonderful

It's not a conscript army, these people are not forced to fight there.

Leslie

You will have to explain that.

If you are in the Services and are sent to a war zone you have no option but to do what you are told.

Don't understand your earlier remark about a political thread.

As I understand it, we are there now to defeat the Taliban and to enable the country to run itself with its own elected government. What are the chances do you think.

Les

tony de wonderful

Yeah but you join the services voluntarily knowing full well the risks you may be asked to take.

That isn't tragic.

I fully respect our service people, but I object to the current trend of this mawkish sentimentality about them.


Well ok then define their defeat. It's certainly not just a military objective since the Taliban is a political organisation.

Myles

iTrader: (40)

Tony, you are such a horrible cvnt, arent you? Try attending one of the vigils for the dead servicemen out here, then tell me it isnt tragic. Brings a lump to my throat, the mawkish sentimentality shown when the troops read the eulogies.
The vigils are sadly too frequent.

tony de wonderful

That's really not what I wrote or meant.

JTaylor

Have you actually seen the programme? The crying mother, the father barely able to speak, the CO struggling to finish reading his brutally honest eight page letter. Yes, soldiers know the risks of signing-up, but this doesn't stop humans from having emotions. I imagine a film shot by young Taliban fighters and observing the debilitating grief of their mothers and fathers would be equally harrowing. When viewed apolitically, it is tragic.

The Trooper 1815

iTrader: (31)

Having attend to a number of service families who have suffered Casualties or death, it's tragic. Not all have been opeartional, but it's still tragic.

Al-Quaida is political but sponsors the various organisations to carry out the terrorist/insurgent attacks.

With regards to your mawkish sentimentality comment, the death of Zippy's Voice got more coverage, web page coverage and airplay than the death of Rifleman Jon Lamb.

How many teddy bears do you see hanging from lamposts because of RTI's?

Back on thread. The next programme more to the upsurge in IED's and booby traps and is set later in the conflict.

Myles

iTrader: (40)

Why do you make comments designed to get peoples backs up then, are you Pete in disguise?

Leslie

If there is anything about you at all you might even accept that those lads who volunteered to join the Services knowing the risks anyway, were like all those who volunteered at the beginning of WW1 and WW2 and were prepared to risk their lives, and were doing it for altruistic reasons in the defence of their country.

In my book that is worth everything and people are displaying their respect for that as well the grief that young men are being killed at the beginning of their lives.

It does not sit well seeing you being fat dumb and happy and decrying the way that people feel about their deaths.


The Taliban is an Islamist militia which is supported by Al Quaeda and the Pakistan army and they are operating in Afghanistan and Pakistan. They are actively engaged in fighting against the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan and the Nato allies. Their aim is to control Afghanistan at the moment. They are using terrorism against the civilian population of Afghanistan.

Kindly tell us about all the organisations responsible for war which did not have a political background!

Les

Myles

iTrader: (40)

Les, you have wasted your time and billions of electrons typing that riposte to TDW. The guy has nothing about him, and enjoys the shadows of anonymity that the internet gives him. He is the lowest of the low, transforming a post about a TV programme into another opportunity to just go on. He needs to be banned.

tony de wonderful

Well private grief is one thing, but when you put it on TV it becomes something else - anyway that is not what I was going on about.

Sure private grief is genuine - I'm not talking about that - but to call it a tragedy well that implies victimhood. You can't be a victim as a professional soldier.

Anyway my point about mawkish sentimentality was obviously not directed at grieving parents but as a general trend in our society. You can especially see on the leftish 'stop war brigade' - a sickly sentimentality for soldiers deaths and victimology for political purposes. It's disgusting.

Soldiers should be respected not pitied.

JTaylor

I get all that and agree particularly with the highlighted point; It just came across as being heartless, unfortunately. I don't want to speak on behalf of the servicemen on snet, they're clearly capable of doing that for themselves, but if I were them, I'd be pissed off that you elected to raise a political point on a thread and programme dealing with the individual human consequences of war. Anyway, have you watched it?

Leslie

You are doubtless absolutely correct, but it made me feel better if nothing else.

Les

kevfawcett

iTrader: (7)

People like you make me sick . How can you possibly think that it is not tragic??? Young lads and lasses who die fighting for their country trying make a difference with their lives. You sound like the sort of person who thinks the Government should give you everything you want without having to lift your lazy **** off the sofa. I am in Afghanistan at the minute and have spent alot of time here and Iraq. The people that go out on the ground don't get anywhere near as much credit as they should. Soldiers deaths barely get any news coverage now. It's embarrasing to think that the general public are more interested in so called celebs like Charlie "the oxygen theif" Sheen who makes £££££££ a year and wastes it on drugs and ****** rather than real heroes who get as little as £16k a year and spend 6months away from their family and put their lives at risk .

Sorry for the Newbee rant but that guy really pissed me off

Kev

Leslie

Not surprising really though!

Les

Luminous

iTrader: (3)

Yeah, I agree a lot with what you have said there. Some people just do not get it. My ex always came out with the line "they knew what they were getting into". Well, it is true, but that is still not a reason to be grateful.

Salaries in this world do not reflect the usefulness of people. Shame it is like that, but there is little that can be done.

Good luck to you while you are out there.

Myles

iTrader: (40)

Kev, this guy Tony is a total tool looking for a rise. Unfortunately,he always gets one from me. You should read his 'educated' views on life, spouting on about 'ad hominem' and 'victimhood'. Makes me laugh really, but I always come back for a comment.

The Trooper 1815

iTrader: (31)

Keyboard warrior who would never identify himself in public at a show/meet to back up a face to face debate.