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07 June 2011, 11:11 AM
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Interesting that a registered charity is described as a terrorist organisation but typical of the out and out lies melanie philips likes to spout. I did not bother to read the rest as Al Qaeda probably makes more of an effort for unbiased journalism and reporting.
Established in 1992 and officially registered in Istanbul in 1995, İHH provides humanitarian relief in areas of war, earthquake, hunger, and conflict.[5] The İHH holds Special Consultative Status with the United Nations Economic and Social Council since 2004.[6][7] Current president of the İHH is Fehmi Bülent Yıldırım.
Established in 1992 and officially registered in Istanbul in 1995, İHH provides humanitarian relief in areas of war, earthquake, hunger, and conflict.[5] The İHH holds Special Consultative Status with the United Nations Economic and Social Council since 2004.[6][7] Current president of the İHH is Fehmi Bülent Yıldırım.
It is generally considered though that many 'charities' cover up more Islamist extreme organisations.
07 June 2011, 11:15 AM
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Tony the BBC is clearly biased against the Palestinians, a report comissioned by the bbc themselves by an Independant University agrees with this satement. If you disagree contact the University itself and order a full copy. One of many issues is that Israels rocket powered execution strategy that has a habit of killing innocent people, is not mentioned in the same way a suicide bombing is. A sucide boming is reported and condemmed as an evil act but murder by Israel is barely given an mention. This is one of many areas that the bbc fails in.
07 June 2011, 11:25 AM
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Interesting that a registered charity is described as a terrorist organisation but typical of the out and out lies melanie philips likes to spout. I did not bother to read the rest as Al Qaeda probably makes more of an effort for unbiased journalism and reporting.
Established in 1992 and officially registered in Istanbul in 1995, İHH provides humanitarian relief in areas of war, earthquake, hunger, and conflict.[5] The İHH holds Special Consultative Status with the United Nations Economic and Social Council since 2004.[6][7] Current president of the İHH is Fehmi Bülent Yıldırım.
Established in 1992 and officially registered in Istanbul in 1995, İHH provides humanitarian relief in areas of war, earthquake, hunger, and conflict.[5] The İHH holds Special Consultative Status with the United Nations Economic and Social Council since 2004.[6][7] Current president of the İHH is Fehmi Bülent Yıldırım.
07 June 2011, 11:32 AM
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07 June 2011, 11:37 AM
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What rubbish are talking palestine has been around since 450bc. Why mention Kosovo they have their own state ? Kosovans fought for independance for people who lived in the Area Israel fights to remove the arabs from where they lived for centuries and invite Jewish people from all over the world to live in Arab Lands.
07 June 2011, 12:24 PM
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I'm not that keen on her, to be fair, but there's truth in that article. The notion that the IHH is a 'humanitarian' charity is a joke - it's a typically sneaky, shadowy, beady-eyed enemy of Israel and deserves to be treated as such. Watch the useful idiots ruffle their kaftans the next time the IDF catch the IHH red-handed. Said idiots barely raised a solitary objection when an actual aid worker was murdered by Islamists. Ridiculous morons....so blind....one day the penny might drop.
07 June 2011, 01:48 PM
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Tony the BBC is clearly biased against the Palestinians, a report comissioned by the bbc themselves by an Independant University agrees with this satement. If you disagree contact the University itself and order a full copy. One of many issues is that Israels rocket powered execution strategy that has a habit of killing innocent people, is not mentioned in the same way a suicide bombing is. A sucide boming is reported and condemmed as an evil act but murder by Israel is barely given an mention. This is one of many areas that the bbc fails in.
The 'good news from Israel (is that the name?) report is just incredible - look at the language in it, it's unashamably pro-palestinian propoganda.
The BBC commissioned a lefty university department to do a report. I've already pointed out the flaws and you just keep parroting the so called 'independent' part.
Would you except that accidentally killed civilians whilst using rockets to kill combatants, is not the same as murder because it is not intentional?
Suicide bombing is intentional. It intentionally kills civilians.
07 June 2011, 01:50 PM
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What rubbish are talking palestine has been around since 450bc. Why mention Kosovo they have their own state ? Kosovans fought for independance for people who lived in the Area Israel fights to remove the arabs from where they lived for centuries and invite Jewish people from all over the world to live in Arab Lands.
By your argument the Serb nationalists have every right to kick them out.
07 June 2011, 03:24 PM
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What has religion got to to with Kosovo ? Why mention Muslims ? do you have some kind of issue with Islam Tony ? Kosovo was an autonomous state in 1945. It had this status revoked my Milosovich and then all its companies were transfered to Serbian hands. Thats what started the war in Kosovo It has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with nationalism.
07 June 2011, 03:30 PM
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i think the vast majority of historians would disagree with you there. a sovereign state would also suggest the racialized concept of a “standard of civilization” which I believe to be flawed as Isreal has neither standards, nor is it civilised
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07 June 2011, 05:05 PM
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What has religion got to to with Kosovo ? Why mention Muslims ? do you have some kind of issue with Islam Tony ? Kosovo was an autonomous state in 1945. It had this status revoked my Milosovich and then all its companies were transfered to Serbian hands. Thats what started the war in Kosovo It has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with nationalism.
Do you accept then that the ethnic groups in question is not native to Serbian lands?
From you nativist POV Kosovo should not be allowed to exist, it should be given back to the Serbs....to the Serb ethnic group.
Also I you trying to say that the Arabs in 'Palestine' are the same ethnic group who were there in 450 BC? Do you not know your history about the Arab-Muslim conquests?
There has never been a Palestinian state or Kingdom BTW still less 'owned' by the current group called 'Palestinians' - there have just been administrative districts of various empires.
07 June 2011, 05:07 PM
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So when was the state of Palestine established? Good luck finding that.
07 June 2011, 05:21 PM
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07 June 2011, 06:12 PM
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07 June 2011, 06:49 PM
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How about stating your options instead of us playing a guessing game...jumping on people when they fill in the dots and declaring that as a 'victory'; in the "but that is not what I said" mold -
07 June 2011, 07:08 PM
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What did you mean when you said Historians would not agree with me?
How about stating your options instead of us playing a guessing game...jumping on people when they fill in the dots and declaring that as a 'victory'; in the "but that is not what I said" mold -
How about stating your options instead of us playing a guessing game...jumping on people when they fill in the dots and declaring that as a 'victory'; in the "but that is not what I said" mold -
the fertile cresent of Palestine has been settled continuously thousands of years.
In A.D. 135, the Romans drove the Jews out of Jerusalem. The Romans named the area Palaestina, at about this time.
your comment "There never was an entity called 'Palestine'." is your opinion. Wrong, but hey you're still entitled to it.
07 June 2011, 07:42 PM
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the fertile cresent of Palestine has been settled continuously thousands of years.
In A.D. 135, the Romans drove the Jews out of Jerusalem. The Romans named the area Palaestina, at about this time.
your comment "There never was an entity called 'Palestine'." is your opinion. Wrong, but hey you're still entitled to it.
In A.D. 135, the Romans drove the Jews out of Jerusalem. The Romans named the area Palaestina, at about this time.
your comment "There never was an entity called 'Palestine'." is your opinion. Wrong, but hey you're still entitled to it.
07 June 2011, 10:20 PM
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That's nothing but silly semantics. If person A states person B is wrong in stating object A never existed, it follows they believe the exact contrary, ie. that object A did in fact exist. More to the point thoug, the same holds true whether or not it was person A who introduced object A into the discussion initially.
07 June 2011, 11:35 PM
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That's nothing but silly semantics. If person A states person B is wrong in stating object A never existed, it follows they believe the exact contrary, ie. that object A did in fact exist. More to the point thoug, the same holds true whether or not it was person A who introduced object A into the discussion initially.
07 June 2011, 11:45 PM
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Yes, but, Bigsinky, as lovely as I'm sure he is, has absolutely no idea what he's talking about. Seriously. I'm not sure if it's funny or infuriating. Either way it's utterly pointless and futile; like playing chess with someone who doesn't Know the moves. Or which piece is the bishop. My guess is, and it is just a guess, that Bigsinky's just decided to go with being a pro-Palestinian because it is, in his mind, better than not having a position and means he can get involved. Now he's struggling to cobble together an argument to support that position, hence your post.
exactly, i know nothing about isreal nor palestine and do this to wind all you pro israeli boys up.
why cant you boys just let it go ffs. your boring the **** of everyone now.
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08 June 2011, 12:12 AM
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