http://m.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/feb/...k&type=article

I actually genuinely don't have an issue with immigrants coming into this country, they bring a lot and the 'indigenous' (whatever that means) could learn a lot about work ethic from many who come to these shores. I do feel there need to be strict conditions of entry; those seeking asylum should be seeking asylum, not handouts; don't bring ideologies that work against ours; intergration is critical - apartheid isn't good. Other than that, I'm all for diversity (except for that little chap with the big hair who's always being flung about).

I think one of the faillings of the previous government was closing down discussion about immigration. If people have concerns (imagined, as most of them are, or otherwise) they need to be aired and addressed. Not doing so, as the article above demonstrates, plays into the hands of the hard and far-right.

about the most reasonable post I have read on the subject

have you been out in the sun

That pretty much sums it up for me!

My outlook's exactly as it always has been. And it's pissing down.

Not all 3rd world countries have a good work ethic, in fact quite the opposite!

Often what you might confuse with a world ethic is a kind of compliance to authority. I notice that many 3rd world people tend to be more 'suitable' to work for big corporations....they naturally trust the virtue of authority and conformity, whereas I think in western culture there is a slight mistrust for big government and big corporations...and the type of mindset which 'looks up' to both.

But many 3rd world people are the opposite and that probably goes for African-Americans in the US. Big government and big corportaions were some of the first to institute laws/rules to stop discrimination, and often have positive discrimination to favor ethnic minorities.

You do not mean other people on here have twisted what you have said to make you sound like a right wing/xenophobe do you, that would never happen...

Yeh and this is why we have so many one man band corner shops/entrepreneurs and other self employed amongst our third world immigrants i presume

Not stereotyping are we?!

Talking of which, are you 'good with money'?

careful now, he may well know

Interesting phrase, 'right-wing'. It's been bandied about as a perjorative by the left (whoever they are) for so-long that in common language it's become synonymous, as your post demonstrates, with xenophobia and its like. The right (whoever they are) are as guilty when using words like 'lefty' to describe mongs - not on really. This single axis spectrum is virtually obsolete but seems frustratingly necessary for ease of conversation until a suitable replacement is found. Just wanted to get that off my chest.

Good with hoarding it !

A lot of sensible, insightful and true observations.

How about 'far-right' then you **** b@stard!

The ***** are a good example, described as far-right but actually politically syncretic - hence National Socialism; likewise Stalinism (Stalin's Communism) inversely. New Labour were culturally socialist but economically just to the right of said axis (hence the 'third-way' notion). Same issues arise in religion - look at the nonsense that comes about when simpletons can't differentiate between Islam and Islamism and secular-Jewry and Judaism and cultural Christianity and Orthodox Literalism. I find it incredibly frustrating.

In which case let's stick with xenophobe then from my pov i dislike everyone equally

Ironically, I'm probably a xenophile - what is there to learn from people who are the same? I sound like a lefty. Fûck.

I think TDW is an immigrant who suffers from self hate

Where did I accuse them of lying? I asked you about what proof they had? You don't know do you? You just swallowed it becasue it fits your 'World view'.

Bloody hell! I can agree with this!

Dont most frontal skids have some form of inbuilt self loathing / guilt

It was published as a 700 page report by the Equality and Human Rights Commission.

What exactly do you require as proof BTW?

I can't see the reference to that in the article. Does it quote the report, word for word? No, it doesn't.

You were just taken in, hook, line, and sinker, weren't you?

No it gives some salient point in bullet form.

It's in the Telegraph...a paper known for it integrity.

Feel free to do your own research and find the report and see if it is a lie of not. In the absence of refutation I will go with the papers word.

Gotcha!

Is this the same Telegraph, whose Political Editor, Peter Oborne, you refuted, because he made a Channel Four Documentary about how the Israeli lobby had all of our politicians in their back pocket?

IIRC you refused to even watch the program, even though it was readily available to watch.

You appeared to pour scorn all over it, in a vain attempt to distract from the real issue of Zionist extremism and how it works, in its aim of securing Israel and Zionist control of it, at any cost.

You didn't like the Telegraph on that day did you?

So now it's saying something that fits your World view, you have fallen in love with it again. How cute?

You see Tone, constant lying, BS, ducking and diving, will lead to only one thing - getting caught out.

Ho ho.

That documentary was an opinion piece. The stats quoted are apparent fact not opinion.

Sorry Tone, you are in no position to comment as you didn't watch it.

Are you seriously trying to say that a respected senior journalist, from the paper you love, made very serious accusations against our politicians, on what is a very sensitive and PC subject (Israel) with no facts to back himself up? Just his opinion??

Come on Tone! You've done yourself (again). I'd call it a day mate.

It's no secret that various Politicians are part of say Labour Friends of Israel, but then Politicians are members of various things and should be allowed to be.

To extrapolate that to 'prove' that 'the Jews' have a hold over democratically elected Politicians, and by extension the 'conspiracies' are real is demagoguery.

Israel is a democratic state surrounded by enemies and only - always - a short war away from annihilation, it's no surprise that right thinking people choose to support it.

Is the lack of Tory MP's in a 'friends of AQ' club evidence of unfair bias against Islamists?

I don't think anybody should post on this thread until TDW admits he is a one legged homosexual black jew.

This is the closest I could find!

So, what you're saying is that you didn't watch it, because one of the most senior and respected journalists of the paper that you apparently love and can do no wrong, was in the wrong and you hate him for daring to criticise your precious Israel?

Hmmm...caught out again Tonester! (You really shouldn't bring more attention to this point)