Heaven is a fairy story for people afraid of the dark
17 May 2011, 06:42 PM
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No he said 'afraid'.
17 May 2011, 08:10 PM
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17 May 2011, 08:53 PM
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theres quite a history of religious wars mind 
its used as front in alot of cases i guess..
quite a good little read on wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_war
its used as front in alot of cases i guess..
quite a good little read on wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_war
17 May 2011, 10:29 PM
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Those of the faith have the word of god to tell them the right way, what more proof do you need? Its written in the Bible, how can you possibly dispute that? gods word is truth!
17 May 2011, 10:57 PM
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During a debate with the biologist Richard Dawkins, Collins stated that God is the explanation of those features of the universe that science finds difficult to explain (such as the values of certain physical constants favoring life), and that God himself does not need an explanation since he is beyond the universe. Dawkins called this "the mother and father of all cop-outs" and "an incredible evasion of the responsibility to explain", to which Collins responded "I do object to the assumption that anything that might be outside of nature is ruled out of the conversation. That's an impoverished view of the kinds of questions we humans can ask, such as 'Why am I here?', 'What happens after we die?' If you refuse to acknowledge their appropriateness, you end up with a zero probability of God after examining the natural world because it doesn't convince you on a proof basis. But if your mind is open about whether God might exist, you can point to aspects of the universe that are consistent with that conclusion."[27]
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Why is it mumbo jumbo bollocks? He believes in the teachings of Christ, as I do (with conditions) and has been able to square that philosophy with sprituality and science. What's bollocks about it? And who is he, again?
17 May 2011, 11:16 PM
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i might write a book and see how many people take it as gospel in a few hundred years, or theres always the great spaghetti monster 
anyhow each to his own, but when ever i get around to having kids i will not force any belief, be it for or against and let them make up their own mind when they are old enough
i reckon there is an element of people brought up with the beliefs brainwashed into them at a young age, certainly theres some very scary groups in america who are trying to get into gov'
anyhow each to his own, but when ever i get around to having kids i will not force any belief, be it for or against and let them make up their own mind when they are old enough
i reckon there is an element of people brought up with the beliefs brainwashed into them at a young age, certainly theres some very scary groups in america who are trying to get into gov'
17 May 2011, 11:41 PM
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i might write a book and see how many people take it as gospel in a few hundred years, or there's always the great spaghetti monster
anyhow each to his own, but when ever i get around to having kids i will not force any belief, be it for or against and let them make up their own mind when they are old enough
i reckon there is an element of people brought up with the beliefs brainwashed into them at a young age, certainly there's some very scary groups in America who are trying to get into gov'
anyhow each to his own, but when ever i get around to having kids i will not force any belief, be it for or against and let them make up their own mind when they are old enough
i reckon there is an element of people brought up with the beliefs brainwashed into them at a young age, certainly there's some very scary groups in America who are trying to get into gov'
18 May 2011, 08:09 AM
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How can you square those things with science when some of them directly contradict proven science?
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18 May 2011, 08:09 AM
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When discussing the troubles in NI, and promoting the positive role of religion Tony Blair asserted that it was the “faith” groups that had helped resolve the divisions in the country
The ironic crassness and stupidity of his statement went completely over his head – like you he sees the world through the prism of religion
Maybe your cavalier attitude to life is explain by your belief in Christ and the afterlife – maybe like the suicide bombers, you believe in the Christian equivalent of 50 virgins
Different sides same coin
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You remind me of Tony Blair – who in a had a debate with Christopher Hitchens about religion
When discussing the troubles in NI, and promoting the positive role of religion Tony Blair asserted that it was the “faith” groups that had helped resolve the divisions in the country
The ironic crassness and stupidity of his statement went completely over his head – like you he sees the world through the prism of religion
Maybe your cavalier attitude to life is explain by your belief in Christ and the afterlife – maybe like the suicide bombers, you believe in the Christian equivalent of 50 virgins
Different sides same coin
When discussing the troubles in NI, and promoting the positive role of religion Tony Blair asserted that it was the “faith” groups that had helped resolve the divisions in the country
The ironic crassness and stupidity of his statement went completely over his head – like you he sees the world through the prism of religion
Maybe your cavalier attitude to life is explain by your belief in Christ and the afterlife – maybe like the suicide bombers, you believe in the Christian equivalent of 50 virgins
Different sides same coin
And, who's Francis Collins? (You may be impressed with the work he's doing with poor old Hitch's cancer).
18 May 2011, 10:12 AM
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If it's with conditions, then it's not belief. You cannot apply conditions to someone else's teachings, otherwise you are questioning those teachings. If Jesus is the son of God, then his teaching/actions are without question.
How can you square those things with science when some of them directly contradict proven science?
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How can you square those things with science when some of them directly contradict proven science?
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"How can you square those things with science when some of them directly contradict proven science?" What are you talking about?
So, like Hodgy, you've conjured up these wild conclusions. Well done, you.
18 May 2011, 10:56 AM
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And here's another one. Why can I not believe in the notion of universal, inclusive, brotherly love and reject, for example, turn the other cheek? Why can I not apply conditions to somebody elses teachings? I am questioning some of Christ's teachings? And? And WTF has the Son of God to do with it? Son of man, was he? Maybe.
"How can you square those things with science when some of them directly contradict proven science?" What are you talking about?
So, like Hodgy, you've conjured up these wild conclusions. Well done, you.
"How can you square those things with science when some of them directly contradict proven science?" What are you talking about?
So, like Hodgy, you've conjured up these wild conclusions. Well done, you.
That puts quite a different slant on it. Your post inferred (deliberately or accidentally, only you can know that) that you accept that teachings, which leads to a conclusion that you also believe he is the son of God. That is simply not the same, as you now claim, that you think some of the things he said are ok.
Anyone can claim that, being good to others is not a bad thing to say, but then again, he wasn't the first.
As for science, this is not applicable to you per se, but it still stands, how can someone believe in Jesus/God and science? As we say in the IT world, they are mutually exclusive keywords
You may have known what you are talking about, but your post didn't infer that, and no matter what you think you meant, two people have inferred essentially the same thing from it, so far from jumping to wild conclusions, perhaps you should consider how you word your posts
(unless your intention is deliberately to mislead, in which case you are TDW.......)Geezer