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21 May 2011, 12:02 PM
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I offered you a bet on who will win ths one. You won't take my bet, or any bet, because you know I am right.
21 May 2011, 12:16 PM
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You could equally use the same argument to say he is a Pally puppet.
21 May 2011, 12:21 PM
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that video made another point which goes to show the real jews dont support isreal!!!!! when the united nation was escorting innocent civilains from the south of beirut isreali soldiers let them out waited till they got a bit further out bombed them and killed them but thats ok they killed united nation soldiers and inncoent civilains and the the US support that.
EXPLAIN TO ME WHY THE THE REAL JEWS ARE AGAINST ISREAL???
21 May 2011, 12:25 PM
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It would seem, that as far as we (you and I) are concerned, it is the others' fault.
IMO, Israel holds more cards and really has the key to peace. I asked you previously what would mean peace for Israel. Palestinians not attacking Israel for how long? Then accepting the little bits of whatever Israel may deign to grant them? How long do you thnk that would take? Do you see it as realistic?
This is a totally one sided conflict, where Israel is completely in control. They have an iron grip on the freedom of the Palestinians, that is not a good thing. I asked you to put yourself in the place of a Palestinian and you cannot. That is why people like you do not resolve disputes, but rather create and perpetuate them.
Seems that, going on the above that the Israeli govt and Hamas seem to understand and need each other. Recipe for disaster.
IMO, Israel holds more cards and really has the key to peace. I asked you previously what would mean peace for Israel. Palestinians not attacking Israel for how long? Then accepting the little bits of whatever Israel may deign to grant them? How long do you thnk that would take? Do you see it as realistic?
This is a totally one sided conflict, where Israel is completely in control. They have an iron grip on the freedom of the Palestinians, that is not a good thing. I asked you to put yourself in the place of a Palestinian and you cannot. That is why people like you do not resolve disputes, but rather create and perpetuate them.
Seems that, going on the above that the Israeli govt and Hamas seem to understand and need each other. Recipe for disaster.
So I don't see how you can say Israel holds all the cards.
The Pallies don't even hold all their own cards while the likes of Iran (via Hezzbolah) all have an interest in perpetuating the conflict.
They're just returning the favour Tone, as I keep saying, as bad as each other. You just favour one side so much, you are happy for the other to be killed off. If you honestly think that is a way for the future, I suggest you have a screw loose.
That is what you think isn't it?
Who will win, Obama or Netanyahu? Will you take my bet?
That is what you think isn't it?
Who will win, Obama or Netanyahu? Will you take my bet?
21 May 2011, 12:29 PM
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So the most powerful man in the World can't get his way?
You are achieving new heights in ridiculousness, well done.
21 May 2011, 12:32 PM
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Israel has done unilateral withdrawals and ceasefire but these have not promoted peace, instead the other side - whether it be Hamas, other Pally terror groups, Hezzbollah (back by Iran etc), has always gone on the offensive and not reciprocated the Israeli behavior.
So I don't see how you can say Israel holds all the cards.
The Pallies don't even hold all their own cards while the likes of Iran (via Hezzbolah) all have an interest in perpetuating the conflict..
So I don't see how you can say Israel holds all the cards.
The Pallies don't even hold all their own cards while the likes of Iran (via Hezzbolah) all have an interest in perpetuating the conflict..
I am not here to ask questions while you say yes or no selectively.
Explain your view or don't post.
Will you take my bet?
21 May 2011, 03:21 PM
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21 May 2011, 03:24 PM
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that video made another point which goes to show the real jews dont support isreal!!!!! when the united nation was escorting innocent civilains from the south of beirut isreali soldiers let them out waited till they got a bit further out bombed them and killed them but thats ok they killed united nation soldiers and inncoent civilains and the the US support that.
EXPLAIN TO ME WHY THE THE REAL JEWS ARE AGAINST ISREAL???
EXPLAIN TO ME WHY THE THE REAL JEWS ARE AGAINST ISREAL???
I'm not sure why you qualify them as 'real Jews'....who are you to decide that?
21 May 2011, 05:38 PM
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21 May 2011, 05:39 PM
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Who are you to decide that they're not?
Naturei Karta I believe they are called, sound like a very nice bunch, eminently sensible if you ask me.
See, I am not anti Semitic, just anti Zionist.
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21 May 2011, 05:42 PM
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Tony the offer at camp david was laughable so why do you keep going on about it. That offer was a pisstaking joke and was never going to be acceptable. Arrafat made a counter offer at Taba. The peace talks were then ended by Israel. Those are the facts so stop telling lies.
21 May 2011, 05:55 PM
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Tony the offer at camp david was laughable so why do you keep going on about it. That offer was a pisstaking joke and was never going to be acceptable. Arrafat made a counter offer at Taba. The peace talks were then ended by Israel. Those are the facts so stop telling lies.
After Camp David you had the 2nd Intifada and that included cold blooded murder of those two Israeli reservists.
Hardly a great precursor to re-negotiation, and the Israelis had elections.
21 May 2011, 05:56 PM
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21 May 2011, 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by tony
After Camp David you had the 2nd Intifada and that included cold blooded murder of those two Israeli reservists.
Hardly a great precursor to re-negotiation, and the Israelis had elections.
Hardly a great precursor to re-negotiation, and the Israelis had elections.
21 May 2011, 06:52 PM
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A question for the Israel supporters, do you accept that the goal of zionism was to remove arabs from the land of Israel ?
Second question. do supporters of Israel accept that if Israel had any intention of leaving the occupied territory then they would never have built jewish villages there ?
Second question. do supporters of Israel accept that if Israel had any intention of leaving the occupied territory then they would never have built jewish villages there ?
21 May 2011, 07:28 PM
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That 95% was based on land exchanges it was not the land arafat or palestinains wanted it was good fertile occupied farmland exchanged for the negev desert in Israel. In terms of value it was a joke offer. Worthless desert in exchange for farm land ? And still 5% less than what you should have ? You think that is a fair offer ? In any respect there were a variety of other conditions that made the offer a joke. Why can't you accept the relaity of the shambolic offer at camp david.
21 May 2011, 07:36 PM
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Don't you remember the scenes on TV of the IDF dragging away screaming settler families from Gaza?
It is interesting because the Likud said this plan would backfire allowing Hamas to use Gaza as a base to attack Israel...and guess what happened?
21 May 2011, 07:44 PM
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Why don't they strike a deal so that the Palestinians are given back the occupied territories but lease the area to Israel and charge them. That way the Palestinians can claim to have at last got their land back but Israelis can live their safely.
Simplistic I know but could be a good starting point. Bit like Hong Kong and China and something I have always wondered about in an Ireland/NI context.
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Simplistic I know but could be a good starting point. Bit like Hong Kong and China and something I have always wondered about in an Ireland/NI context.
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22 May 2011, 01:32 AM
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22 May 2011, 01:33 AM
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A question for the Israel supporters, do you accept that the goal of zionism was to remove arabs from the land of Israel ?
Second question. do supporters of Israel accept that if Israel had any intention of leaving the occupied territory then they would never have built jewish villages there ?
Second question. do supporters of Israel accept that if Israel had any intention of leaving the occupied territory then they would never have built jewish villages there ?
You know that question won't be answered. Tony is VERY selective in what he answers.
22 May 2011, 01:35 AM
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Oh yeah, he was just following orders, right?
22 May 2011, 01:36 AM
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There is a loony settle fringe in Israeli society, but if Israel (as a whole) had no intention to withdraw then why did they withdraw from Gaza and dismantle a number of settlements in the West Bank in 2005.
Don't you remember the scenes on TV of the IDF dragging away screaming settler families from Gaza?
It is interesting because the Likud said this plan would backfire allowing Hamas to use Gaza as a base to attack Israel...and guess what happened?
Don't you remember the scenes on TV of the IDF dragging away screaming settler families from Gaza?
It is interesting because the Likud said this plan would backfire allowing Hamas to use Gaza as a base to attack Israel...and guess what happened?
22 May 2011, 01:37 AM
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Why don't they strike a deal so that the Palestinians are given back the occupied territories but lease the area to Israel and charge them. That way the Palestinians can claim to have at last got their land back but Israelis can live their safely.
Simplistic I know but could be a good starting point. Bit like Hong Kong and China and something I have always wondered about in an Ireland/NI context.
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Simplistic I know but could be a good starting point. Bit like Hong Kong and China and something I have always wondered about in an Ireland/NI context.
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22 May 2011, 06:22 AM
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Another question for the tottenham lot. Why do Israels supporters always attribute terrorist attacks as the responsability of the entire palestinian people. If a terrorist attacks israel then Israels supporters always claim palestine attacked israeĺ.
22 May 2011, 09:06 AM
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22 May 2011, 10:19 AM
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22 May 2011, 10:21 AM
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That makes no sense. No sure what you are getting at.
22 May 2011, 11:03 AM
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And Israel wouldn't like it if Obama stopped USA aid to them. Nothing will happen if Obama ***** foots around trying to keep the US Jewish lobby happy. Time for him to get his gloves off if he wants real change out there. I guess he would struggle getting support from Congress - ?? - but he woud get the support of the UN and probably most pals of US in Middle East. dl
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22 May 2011, 11:06 AM
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And Israel wouldn't like it if Obama stopped USA aid to them. Nothing will happen if Obama ***** foots around trying to keep the US Jewish lobby happy. Time for him to get his gloves off if he wants real change out there. I guess he would struggle getting support from Congres - ?? - but he woud get the support of the UN and probably most pals of US in Middle East. dl
Rhetoric about pre-1967 borders sounds impressive, but this has been agreed upon in principle with Israel and Fatah, it's other issues such as right of return, temple mount, issues or border security etc which are the sticking points.
22 May 2011, 12:01 PM
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You used 'murder' first!
Why don't you try presenting an argument instead of flim flam?