If only that was funny........

 

Oh the irony Where did I say they shouldn't?

The thing is, and this is the last time as if you don't get it now you never will, my point is not that the guilty don't deserve punishment, but that many of these cases are not clear cut and the police will quite happily start issuing fnes for offences that are questionable with little come back for the motorist!

 

Ant you are bang on the money and as usual, because you don't agree with F1 Fan, he is having a hissy fit.

I really don't see the problem. If you do not speed, drive in a dangerous manner and are all upto date with your tax/mot/insurance then you will have nothing to worry about.

Too bl*ody right for those who do not comply with the above to get fined on the spot.

 

Sigh.....

Which bit of that do you not get? It isn't about punishing those in the wrong, but about what happens when it's not so clear cut?

 

For the not so clear cut they'll be On a drivers awareness course which will also help the Xmas party.

Maybe I'm lucky and I've never had a bad encounter with the police.

 

Why are you sighing? Bored of your own bullsh*t as per usual? :wonder

Well if that is the case, then you would have to fight your corner as per usual. It's called life.
****, does sometimes, happen. If you are polite and reasonable, I'm sure they will let you go. If you are abrupt, rude and agressive, then they will probably pull your pants down to give you a strip search.

We all moan about Police not having enough power to deal with small crimes. I am sure you would fall into this statement.

Would you prefer that the Police had no powers whatsoever?

Why don't you propose a new system instead of bashing absolutely everything that the government does. In fact, why don't you just **** off to a much better country, say Nigeria. Freedom of expression is well thought of over there.

Nothing ever pleases you. Are you sure you are not a woman?

 

The only time I had an issue with the police was when I got pulled in my vw golf when I was 18. I hadn't been drinking, but they didn't believe me so I was breathalysd.
At the time, I was very angry. But then again, when I look back now, I was driving like a complete tit and the fuzz were totally justified in what they did.

 

did anyone see this on the BBC news today,the car that they where using as an example as careless driving was a subaru impreza.i think i understand exactly what the op was trying to say.also on daybreak morning show.

 

Actually I would respond but I just remembered that in policy the mods said if I thought a poster was a complete **** I should ignore them so sorry I'll have to let you go

 

Gear Head (Chris... whatever your name is ), I think it's more about the fact that it's very subjective with police on the spot. Some of them, like every occupation, are little hitler jobsworths out for their own ego. A court is there to neutralise anything like that and keep emotions and agendas out of the question. Personally I would not be happy about being given points and a fine from some little pr*ck with nothing better to do, for something which, to any reasonable person, would not be considered unsafe. But for the bored or angry policeman on the wrong day, or possibly one with an agenda to target a certain statistical group, you may be an easy target.

If what you've done is evidently wrong, why not let it be scrutinised in court? The reason has got to be because it wouldn't stand up to that scrutiny and would therefore not be liable to the fine/points. It just gives them the right to bypass any sort of due process.

 

They suspected you had been drinking and were proven to be wrong, you're free to go. Black and white.

With this proposal, they suspect you're driving like a tit, don't have to prove it to a court, write you a ticket, collect their bonus. Justice?

 

This sums it up perfectly for those (me) that have 'concerns' over these mooted measures.

 

But I was driving like a tit.
And I got let off on a warning.

 

Now that is low, even for you.

You obviously don't think I'm a **** because you responded.

 

Darn it LOL!

 

But that costs the tax payer (you and me incase you didn't know! ) a ****e load more cash by taking it to court. So many small crimes should be dealt with out of court and on the side of the road. Human rights laws and 'do-gooders' are crippling this country. I trust the Police. I have had to call on them a few times over the years and I have never been dissappointed with their service and professionalism. So from my own experience, I have no problem with the proposed new laws.

Obviously, in any occupation, you will get a 'jobsworth' or a do-gooder'. But you are far less likely to meet one of these folk if you just drive with due care and attention.

Obviously people on here are worried that their loud exhausts are going to put them in the firing line. (No I don't mean their *****! ) A jobsworth could hear you coming from a mile off, conclude that you are driving faster than what is either allowed or safe and deem that they are totally justified in giving you a fine. Yes, I can see that happening.

Is it fair? No I suppose not.
Is it fair that I have to listen to stupidly loud exhausts on cars drive by my house at what sound like insane speeds? No, but I sure hope they get to meet a Mr 'Jobsworth'.

 

You agree that it's not fair, yet wish this to be 'law'?

If it's going to cost a "sh*tload" more to take it to court, then the jobsworth will naturally think again, and, as is the case currently, not bother handing out 'punishments' ***** nilly in the first place. But to be completely honest I couldn't care less, all I'm concerned about is being fined and having my license tarnished just because some chump feels like it. There's nothing 'soft' or human rightsy about that, I would have thought it was merely common sense? Can you imagine the unfairness in this country if the main objective in justice was cost?

These mushy cases of loud exhausts and 'attracting attention' you're trying to use here are completely irrelevant, it's the principle I disagree with.

 

Na - still suckin'
If you have your family in the car and someone is up your ****, why don't you just let them by?
I for one, wont think any the less of you.

 

I'm not talking about on the motorway I was meaning in a 30/40 zone.

 

I'm in two minds about this one.
It would be great to see the persistant tailgaters, get their come uppance. That is one thing that really, really annoys me. Why they feel the need to get on the bum end of my cars, beggars the life out of me. I hate it, and it happens all the time. No matter be it motorway or 30 limit.
Also, I prefer the Police to those little skanks in vans, waiting, hiding, to catch someone doing 32 in a 30 and getting a fine in the post. Most Police would show discretion and let something that small, go. But not the Van skank.
Like I said, am in two minds

 

on the "same **** theme", I quite like this one, from the current incumbents


"10 admits using false names on letters to the public"

nothing like showing a bit of respect to the voters

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-13364121

 

Speed limits have effectively increased where appropriate and it's looking as though this will become law. The limit will be decreased outside schools and around minor roads and villages. Camera use has been significantly curtailed and the Police have had discretion placed in their hands regarding careless driving. They can now take punitive action without burdening the courts with minor motoring offences - this will either reduce costs or free up more time to deal with more serious crime. All seems fairly sensible to me.

If I felt that I drove carelessly, had an issue with authority, was paranoid, had a political point to make or had a history of failing the attitude test, I imagine I'd rail against the latest round of plans.

I've friends in the force, either from school or who I've met socially and I have to speak as I find - almost without exception they're good blokes out doing a good job. They'll deal with bellends harshly, adopt a measured approach and employ common sense. When I've been pulled (and I've driven a couple of quickish cars), I've deserved it and I've been dealt with fairly.

Cameron and co. are interested in a smaller state and de-centralisation. They are Conservatives, afterall.

 

I agree that whatever the Police do, there will always be people that disagree with their actions. I just fail to see why the law abiding motorist should be at all worried if they never conduct themselves in an unfavourable manner on the road. Are you sort of person that races to the lights so that you just make it before they turn red again? Do you race around roundabouts trying to get the ar$e end out of your BMW? Is your exhaust stupidly loud and do you persist on driving at silly speeds in built up residental areas? Do you drive whilst using your mobile phone? Do you tail-gate people? These are the sort of driver's that this new Police power is designed to be used for.

Also, are you saying that you want justice, but you do not want the protectors and enforcers of law, to be able to apply it? It does seem a bit backyards. They're not stupid enough to start picking on people for no good reason. All of their cars are fitted with digital video cameras now (or should be in my opinion for this new ruling to work), so if you really did want to appeal one of these new on-the-spot fines and if the Fuzz were actually in the wrong, I can't see how or why they would try and cover something up.

I trust the Police to apply the correct punishment far more than the courts.
Do you not watch those Police reality programs? A little bit cliche I know. But some of the ****e that they have to put up with is unreal and just would not be tolerated in many other countries, including the states.

I say give the Police more power.

 

It's just another way to skin the government's favourite fund raising target ... the motorist. Got to raise more money for the Crusades though so I'm not surprised.

Yes some police are good guys and some aren't and some just aren't very good at their job. With things like carefless driving a court is the best way to get at least a modicum of a fair judegment rather than some clueless plod with a quota to fulfil.

Maybe if Cameron and co. spent a little more time working out how to relinquish that extra 7p a litre in tax they have on fuel over this time last year to actually help the working family rather than finding yet another way to fleece the motorist and subjugate the population while they're about it I would actually be prepared to give them some time.

 

In that case, make sure you have plenty of room up front so as to avoid using your brakes.
In my experience, this type of driving technique is usually caused by a complete lack of intelligence and should not be taken personally.

 

Can't say that I think that way myself.

 

licence to print money imho , i know for a fact that avon and somerset motorway plod play snooker with cars ie red then a colour , but pink is 7 and black is 6 because there isnt many pink cars

 

Thank goodness my daily driver is grey

 

nice lol mines blue so 5points per nick . but he did say they like to go for big breaks

 

spot on