GT3 RS 400 Revealed
28 April 2011, 09:50 PM
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After you have removed his **** from your mouth and wiped the excess from your lips, you might want to re-read there is no dig here....even if there was i'm sure trout isn't the kind of person to suffer a knock to his confidence regarding a comment that might be perceived to be about his car a internet forum......oh wait he is a porshce owner therefore i may be wrong 
.....all there is here is objective discussion....
.....all there is here is objective discussion....
28 April 2011, 10:17 PM
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What the **** is happening here??? A Porsche driver and a GTR driver having a go at each other on a Scooby forum!
**** off to your own forums!!!!!! Hahahahahahah
**** off to your own forums!!!!!! Hahahahahahah
28 April 2011, 11:53 PM
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FFS...
When are Scooby owners going to realise that a Porsche owner couldn't give two ****s how many times the Scoob has been run through Halfords window or how many saxo's it has managed to "burn off".... or how quick it's 1/4m times are!
The GTR is undoubtedly a great car..... but it will never have the same kudos as a Porsche. Different owners, different demographic and certainly different cars!
It doesn't matter how "awesome" the GTR is.... it's still a Nissan with the "Playstation Generation" moniker.
The Porsche delivers what is expected..... uber reliable sports cars that can be used each and every day of it's life.
When are Scooby owners going to realise that a Porsche owner couldn't give two ****s how many times the Scoob has been run through Halfords window or how many saxo's it has managed to "burn off".... or how quick it's 1/4m times are!
The GTR is undoubtedly a great car..... but it will never have the same kudos as a Porsche. Different owners, different demographic and certainly different cars!
It doesn't matter how "awesome" the GTR is.... it's still a Nissan with the "Playstation Generation" moniker.
The Porsche delivers what is expected..... uber reliable sports cars that can be used each and every day of it's life.
what does it weigh?
29 April 2011, 12:31 AM
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I'm glad Porsche have used their RSR race technology to enable them to match the benchmark already set by the Ferrari 458 Italia, as both cars develop 125 bhp per litre which for naturally-aspirated production engines is incredible.
The GT3 RS is a road going race car which has evolved by Porsche from years of testing RSR's on the endurance GT series. A Porsche GT3 RS also won the British GT series last year which wasn't purely down to the cars performance but the cars proven reliability.
Place any over powered turbo chargered Time Attack car in a GT series race and I doubt none of them would see finish without blowing up.
The GT3 RS is a road going race car which has evolved by Porsche from years of testing RSR's on the endurance GT series. A Porsche GT3 RS also won the British GT series last year which wasn't purely down to the cars performance but the cars proven reliability.
Place any over powered turbo chargered Time Attack car in a GT series race and I doubt none of them would see finish without blowing up.
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29 April 2011, 07:35 AM
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The greatest benchmark was
taking a production line GT3 RS,
fitting the minimum FIA safety equipment,
driving three hours to the 'Ring,
racing in the N24 (one of the hardest endurance races of all),
coming 13th - way ahead of many proper race cars,
and then driving back to the Porsche museum where the car was put on display as it was at the race end!!!!!!
And all of this with a pro-am driving team without Walter as he had a back injury. With him it could have been a 10th or better.
Now that is heritage.
What other marque could achieve the same? Surely not Ferrari, or Nissan, nor Subaru or Mitsi...
taking a production line GT3 RS,
fitting the minimum FIA safety equipment,
driving three hours to the 'Ring,
racing in the N24 (one of the hardest endurance races of all),
coming 13th - way ahead of many proper race cars,
and then driving back to the Porsche museum where the car was put on display as it was at the race end!!!!!!
And all of this with a pro-am driving team without Walter as he had a back injury. With him it could have been a 10th or better.
Now that is heritage.
What other marque could achieve the same? Surely not Ferrari, or Nissan, nor Subaru or Mitsi...
29 April 2011, 09:13 AM
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LOL at this bang for buck argument.
The GTR has to be almost as over rated as the Civic Type R is.
I'd happily pitch my £30K creation over anything mentioned here. OK I may not win the "oh look it's an expensive, classy car competition" but I'd sure as hell be an awful lot quicker. You have to ask yourself how much more expensive your smiles per mile have been compared to mine and who has the most fun.
The GTR has to be almost as over rated as the Civic Type R is.
I'd happily pitch my £30K creation over anything mentioned here. OK I may not win the "oh look it's an expensive, classy car competition" but I'd sure as hell be an awful lot quicker. You have to ask yourself how much more expensive your smiles per mile have been compared to mine
and who has the most fun.Sorry but your bang for buck theory doesn't hold against the GTR. The GTR will do amazing things and rival/beat a 997 turbo as standard.
Yours has been heavily modded and as such it will need constant fiddling with **** links, advancing timing, retarding ignition, turbo lag, octane booster, an exhaust that makes your ears bleed and squeaking brakes.
Its the sort of car that takes over your life, and life is too short for that. That time should be spent ******** fit birds or playing with the kids. It will also have no warranty.
The GTR does what it does straight out of the packet with a three year warranty and has sat nav and fantastic gear box.
If money were no object then I (like most) would have the Porsche. Why not? If you have loads of money whats the point of not spending it?
29 April 2011, 09:50 AM
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Sorry but your bang for buck theory doesn't hold against the GTR. The GTR will do amazing things and rival/beat a 997 turbo as standard.
Yours has been heavily modded and as such it will need constant fiddling with **** links, advancing timing, retarding ignition, turbo lag, octane booster, an exhaust that makes your ears bleed and squeaking brakes.
Its the sort of car that takes over your life, and life is too short for that. That time should be spent ******** fit birds or playing with the kids. It will also have no warranty.
The GTR does what it does straight out of the packet with a three year warranty and has sat nav and fantastic gear box.
If money were no object then I (like most) would have the Porsche. Why not? If you have loads of money whats the point of not spending it?
Yours has been heavily modded and as such it will need constant fiddling with **** links, advancing timing, retarding ignition, turbo lag, octane booster, an exhaust that makes your ears bleed and squeaking brakes.
Its the sort of car that takes over your life, and life is too short for that. That time should be spent ******** fit birds or playing with the kids. It will also have no warranty.
The GTR does what it does straight out of the packet with a three year warranty and has sat nav and fantastic gear box.
If money were no object then I (like most) would have the Porsche. Why not? If you have loads of money whats the point of not spending it?
The difference here though is that I'd have the Porsche over mine any day of the week as they are trully great cars. That's certainly not the case with the GTR though.
When all is said and done mine still out performs a GTR and cost half the price. Don't get me wrong they are fabulous cars but pushed hard enough they break too and if you go anywhere near a track the 3 year warranty becomes nothing more than toilet paper.
So yes bang for buck I win.
Shaun, as usual you've completely missed the point and spouted of that gob of yours without thinking
29 April 2011, 10:34 AM
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The greatest benchmark was
taking a production line GT3 RS,
fitting the minimum FIA safety equipment,
driving three hours to the 'Ring,
racing in the N24 (one of the hardest endurance races of all),
coming 13th - way ahead of many proper race cars,
and then driving back to the Porsche museum where the car was put on display as it was at the race end!!!!!!
And all of this with a pro-am driving team without Walter as he had a back injury. With him it could have been a 10th or better.
Now that is heritage.
What other marque could achieve the same? Surely not Ferrari, or Nissan, nor Subaru or Mitsi...
taking a production line GT3 RS,
fitting the minimum FIA safety equipment,
driving three hours to the 'Ring,
racing in the N24 (one of the hardest endurance races of all),
coming 13th - way ahead of many proper race cars,
and then driving back to the Porsche museum where the car was put on display as it was at the race end!!!!!!
And all of this with a pro-am driving team without Walter as he had a back injury. With him it could have been a 10th or better.
Now that is heritage.
What other marque could achieve the same? Surely not Ferrari, or Nissan, nor Subaru or Mitsi...
so they bought a standard Mini Cooper S from a Paris dealer ship and raced it against the race winning Cooper S, the dealership car easily out performed the race prepared car, proving what an outstanding car it was.
http://www.theitalianjob.com/worksmi...carlostory.htm
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29 April 2011, 10:53 AM
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29 April 2011, 11:18 AM
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My dad had three of those, the last one a Treser. Excellent car but actually very nose heavy like all Audis.
He also had a Mini Cooper S new aged 19 when he was doing well as a bass player.
So I've inherited his good taste on cars, unlike some in here
He also had a Mini Cooper S new aged 19 when he was doing well as a bass player.
So I've inherited his good taste on cars, unlike some in here
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29 April 2011, 01:39 PM
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There's so many incorrect assumptions there I don't know where to start.
The difference here though is that I'd have the Porsche over mine any day of the week as they are trully great cars. That's certainly not the case with the GTR though.
When all is said and done mine still out performs a GTR and cost half the price. Don't get me wrong they are fabulous cars but pushed hard enough they break too and if you go anywhere near a track the 3 year warranty becomes nothing more than toilet paper.
So yes bang for buck I win.
Shaun, as usual you've completely missed the point and spouted of that gob of yours without thinking
The difference here though is that I'd have the Porsche over mine any day of the week as they are trully great cars. That's certainly not the case with the GTR though.
When all is said and done mine still out performs a GTR and cost half the price. Don't get me wrong they are fabulous cars but pushed hard enough they break too and if you go anywhere near a track the 3 year warranty becomes nothing more than toilet paper.
So yes bang for buck I win.
Shaun, as usual you've completely missed the point and spouted of that gob of yours without thinking
Well we both agree that we would have the Porsche if we had the money, so neither of us are delusional
As for the heavily modded Scoob versus the GTR I disagree.
1) Of course they break if you heavily mod them, but yours is heavily modded and you wouldn't need to heavily mod the GTR to approach your cars abilities (I'm guessing here as I don't know the details of your car)
2) The warranty on the GTR would not be invalidated if you went on track as along as you follow their trackday servicing protocol.
3) As a heavily modded car you cannot compare it to something like the GTR which is not. During the time I had a lightly modded Scoob it was a headache. The exhaust was too loud, the brakes squealed like a pig, I had to carry octane booster around with me, keep an eye on my **** link, monitor the EGT.
There were forever little 'issues' with the car that meant endless trips to the tuner for a tweak.
All these things to me mean the ownership prospect of a heavily modded car is not the same as that of a standard (or lightly modded) car with warranty.
So I would rather pay £50k for a GTR than £30k for a heavily modified Scoob. Imho the £20k saved does not make up for the added hassle of a car like yours and the extra money I will probably lose come resale time.
So to me the bang per buck doesn't hold up on this one
All imho of course
29 April 2011, 02:31 PM
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I can only assume you've never driven a 600 bhp Classic?
I can see your point of view though. I drove a GTR a few weeks back. Was lovely to drive it just didn't excite me a much as mine does. That said half the appeal for me is the fact I've built it myself and for me the building is as involving as the driving is. I wouldn't get that with the GTR. I wouldn't dare touch it and I'd be back to square one and getting ripped off by over zealous tuning companies.
Drive a big power Classic before you pass judgement because my main point isn't the status or class of each car or its value it's the fun you have driving it. I've driven some proper nice cars in my time and whilst some of them were way more impressive to look at and worth far more they weren't anywhere near as quick or as fun and for me that is the most important thing.
I can see your point of view though. I drove a GTR a few weeks back. Was lovely to drive it just didn't excite me a much as mine does. That said half the appeal for me is the fact I've built it myself and for me the building is as involving as the driving is. I wouldn't get that with the GTR. I wouldn't dare touch it and I'd be back to square one and getting ripped off by over zealous tuning companies.
Drive a big power Classic before you pass judgement because my main point isn't the status or class of each car or its value it's the fun you have driving it. I've driven some proper nice cars in my time and whilst some of them were way more impressive to look at and worth far more they weren't anywhere near as quick or as fun and for me that is the most important thing.
29 April 2011, 04:27 PM
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I found my Classic with a rotated GT30R great fun, but as a daily driver it did need a lot of attention to the engine and gearbox as I tried to do it right with a 2.33 and a PAR 5 speed (at the time RCMS were offering a built 2.0 but I didn't want the power band for a road car) and after they were a series of disasters ended up with an EJ257 on stock internals and a 6 speed. The EJ257 pistons were fragile, and it was difficult to stop the heads lifting, but neither of these issues were known at the time as the engine was new back then. The 6 speed broke a synchro to get into the 11s, it wasn't a good drag racing box as it needed four gear changes in 8 seconds, which wastes a lot of time.
After an interlude and with M3 and a longer time with an Evo 9, I got a GTR. It sets similar acceleration times to many Classics with similar power, example being with tune and exhaust there are many in the 10s with about 600 BHP, the fastest on stock turbos is 10.0 and is driven by an anaesthetist daily. As their track times show even stock, they are not shy about turning modest power to weight into good times.
Overall I much prefer it to my Classic and cost of mods to that was similar to the depreciation of the GTR! But perhaps I like it as I like electronics and dislike getting my hands dirty, and want a refined and practical road car.
On topic of the thread, Porsche have made an appealing package here, but the price for many is a decade of post tax income. However, if it really is depreciation proof, it could (have been) a great buy.
After an interlude and with M3 and a longer time with an Evo 9, I got a GTR. It sets similar acceleration times to many Classics with similar power, example being with tune and exhaust there are many in the 10s with about 600 BHP, the fastest on stock turbos is 10.0 and is driven by an anaesthetist daily. As their track times show even stock, they are not shy about turning modest power to weight into good times.
Overall I much prefer it to my Classic and cost of mods to that was similar to the depreciation of the GTR! But perhaps I like it as I like electronics and dislike getting my hands dirty, and want a refined and practical road car.
On topic of the thread, Porsche have made an appealing package here, but the price for many is a decade of post tax income. However, if it really is depreciation proof, it could (have been) a great buy.
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The greatest benchmark was
taking a production line GT3 RS,
fitting the minimum FIA safety equipment,
driving three hours to the 'Ring,
racing in the N24 (one of the hardest endurance races of all),
coming 13th - way ahead of many proper race cars,
and then driving back to the Porsche museum where the car was put on display as it was at the race end!!!!!!
And all of this with a pro-am driving team without Walter as he had a back injury. With him it could have been a 10th or better.
Now that is heritage.
What other marque could achieve the same? Surely not Ferrari, or Nissan, nor Subaru or Mitsi...
taking a production line GT3 RS,
fitting the minimum FIA safety equipment,
driving three hours to the 'Ring,
racing in the N24 (one of the hardest endurance races of all),
coming 13th - way ahead of many proper race cars,
and then driving back to the Porsche museum where the car was put on display as it was at the race end!!!!!!
And all of this with a pro-am driving team without Walter as he had a back injury. With him it could have been a 10th or better.
Now that is heritage.
What other marque could achieve the same? Surely not Ferrari, or Nissan, nor Subaru or Mitsi...
I may be wrong of course.
29 April 2011, 06:51 PM
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...you are wrong. The car was a highly developed re-engineered car called the Vantage N24.
And it came in 24th! Although it was driven back to the UK on public roads.
If you remember May drove one against the 997.1 RS in the Alps. One of them was a great road car, one wasn't.
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01 May 2011, 02:19 PM
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Interesting read
Its mostly academic on the Porsche as you will be hard pushed to get one anyway? (I'm not talking about cost.. I'm talking availability.. I could easily go and spend £130k.. but i dont want to), having failed miserably and been on the wait list for a year for a standard 911 GT3.. the service at JCT600 and West London Porsche was unfortunately enough to put me off Porsches for life - they couldnt give a t*ss about customers
So instead of the Porsche GT3 I bought the GTR.. had nothing to do with cost or Kudos, I test drove and liked the GTR and picked one up a month later and handed them by debit card to take the £62k cost less the £3.5k deposit. I didnt even get a test drive of a GT3/GT3RS..... shameful
Now I look back on that sorry affair and am so glad that Porsche where ****** as the GTR gets so much more attention and looks easily the better car (in Black.. Silver is for Gramps and White.. well thats for Chavs) and its is so fast A-B on most roads
I also have a lightly modded 2.33 Litre closed deck Block scooby, running over 556 bhp. I havent had it round a track yet, but hopefully will do soon and then I'll back to back it against the GTR (which is lightly modded).. I think the GTR will beat it at Oulton Park but we'll see
In terms of which one I prefer well that wouldnt be fair.. just as I was asked that versus my Escort Cosworth 1996 car, with a stroker kit.. The Subaru is old and ancient now and more of a trackcar just as the Cosworth was getting tired and worn when I bought an STI5 in 1999 - the GTR can be a day to day car.. BUT I prefer the Subaru for the simple reason that there is not enough headroom in the GTR for me. The GTR is made for little people.. its a real shame also
I am not convinced now that the 4 litre 500bhp would have enough power for me.. and I wouldnt be able to do it justice. I would rather have a car that was half the weight and over 300bhp.. that would make for a much better ride and you wouldnt be worried about every sleeping policeman, cambered driveway, petrol station etc.. Its bad enough in the GTR! - it will be far worse in the Porsche.. its purely a trackcar.. its not worth it on the English roads.. and for me that means a V8 Ariel Atom is a far better buy as a pure track car
Its mostly academic on the Porsche as you will be hard pushed to get one anyway? (I'm not talking about cost.. I'm talking availability.. I could easily go and spend £130k.. but i dont want to), having failed miserably and been on the wait list for a year for a standard 911 GT3.. the service at JCT600 and West London Porsche was unfortunately enough to put me off Porsches for life - they couldnt give a t*ss about customers
So instead of the Porsche GT3 I bought the GTR.. had nothing to do with cost or Kudos, I test drove and liked the GTR and picked one up a month later and handed them by debit card to take the £62k cost less the £3.5k deposit. I didnt even get a test drive of a GT3/GT3RS..... shameful
Now I look back on that sorry affair and am so glad that Porsche where ****** as the GTR gets so much more attention and looks easily the better car (in Black.. Silver is for Gramps and White.. well thats for Chavs) and its is so fast A-B on most roads
I also have a lightly modded 2.33 Litre closed deck Block scooby, running over 556 bhp. I havent had it round a track yet, but hopefully will do soon and then I'll back to back it against the GTR (which is lightly modded).. I think the GTR will beat it at Oulton Park but we'll see
In terms of which one I prefer well that wouldnt be fair.. just as I was asked that versus my Escort Cosworth 1996 car, with a stroker kit.. The Subaru is old and ancient now and more of a trackcar just as the Cosworth was getting tired and worn when I bought an STI5 in 1999 - the GTR can be a day to day car.. BUT I prefer the Subaru for the simple reason that there is not enough headroom in the GTR for me. The GTR is made for little people.. its a real shame also
I am not convinced now that the 4 litre 500bhp would have enough power for me.. and I wouldnt be able to do it justice. I would rather have a car that was half the weight and over 300bhp.. that would make for a much better ride and you wouldnt be worried about every sleeping policeman, cambered driveway, petrol station etc.. Its bad enough in the GTR! - it will be far worse in the Porsche.. its purely a trackcar.. its not worth it on the English roads.. and for me that means a V8 Ariel Atom is a far better buy as a pure track car
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I am confident it is softer in far more places than the GTR. And when you go on track you press the two buttons for sport and ride and you have a hard as nails track car.