ok first pic is your oil filter matey the oil thats on that is nothing to worry about its just from where they chaged it n havnt wiped it clean sloppy but no need to worry.

exhaust looks dry n fine matey as does the under side of the car.

looks like some oil spots on bumper/back of car maybe but the exhaust should be wet really if it is

engine looks nice n dry

car deffo needs some loving on the under side though

im sorry im not any where close to come have a look cause this is very interesting and would be something id do the work on for free just to find the cause lol.

shes got to be putting it somewhere or burning it thats the only 2 options, she doesnt look like shes burning it, and the amount of oil that has gone well unless you got a oil trailer that you havnt told us about

theres not much more i can think off without getting hands on it to investigate sadly.

just out of interest garb hold of the oil filter and try to tighten it if you can in a clockwise direction doubt its that loose but

 

If its around the filter it will only really leak with the car running and wont hardly leak at all with it turned off.

 

true bug but would expect more oilage in surronding area with the amount of oil hes losing

ohh just out of interest if u can take the oil filter of and check the rubber ring seal on the topp is ok and that there isnt another rubber ring seal sat on the filter housing, you will need to unscrew it in an anti clockwise direction, had this happen to a fellow mech one day he didnt check to make sure the old filters rubber seal came off

ure going to spill some oil doing this so try to have some sort of container to catch it or ure drive is going to be worse for ware

 

True but my thinking is getting desperate now this really is a mystery.The exhaust is not soaked in oil and there doesnt appear to be bad leaks,someone must be draining it?

 

makes 2 of us matey lol

unfortuntly rumsey the engine is taking dmg whith this loss of oil and somewhere aloung the line its going to show its ugly head

 

thing that gets me is one minute (like today) the dip stick shows its fine.

then just out of the blue about 100 miles later its all gone. not even a slight drop showing on the dip stick. its completely dry.

 

ouch not even on the dip stick is big trouble matey for a normal car but a turbo is even more delicate to oil lvls youve done dmg matey im sorry to say no matter what the garage tells you that engine needs to be stripped and checked sooner than later

 

my garage said he thought the gasket seals but going of your response you cant see that being the case. as like you said it would be very noticeable on the exhaust where the oil would burn.

well even though i am no close to the answer i am however very happy its not the seals as i wasnt looking forward to spending £1600 again.

so just gotta find this new problem.

its had in total

4L which lasted 330 miles then 2L which lasted 155 miles and now is running with 1L in it.

 

just aquickie hawkeyes do a lot off headgaskets and some use a hell off a lot off oil some where cured by bottom end rebuild search it in the search engine

 

yep thinking the same matey bottum end, and with the lack of oil the turbo is going to need a good inspection

 

so just search for bottm end rebuilds? if you have a link to a good example that would be amazing but i will try and search now.

 

I have just read this trhead and its sounds exactly the same problem

https://www.scoobynet.com/general-te...oil-level.html

bit strange how he said his was sorted through a oil change.

have a read see what you think mate

 

Just took it out for a small drive warm the engine up. i have done 30 miles and the level hasnt changed as yet. but when i turned of the engine i can hear a small ting ting ting noise coming form the engine after i turned it off. i have heard that noise before but never really knew what it was. it is a random noise that just happens across the engine at different intervals. its probs me getting paranoid as it seems everything wants to give me a dry slap in the face about this car, grrrr.

let me know what you think of that other thread i found

 

think you should give david at api a pm or alan jefferey i know off a couple off cars over the years went into have headgaskets done been done then bottem end rebuild a few off the engine builders do headgaskets and while out do bottom end id fill it up with oil and get rid if you dont want anymore expense

 

how much are you talking for a bottom end rebuild?

 

give david at api a ring he will advise you top bloke

 

the ting ting is probably the turbo or the exhaust matey its totally normal dont worry as for the thread if it wasnt so much oil that you are using then yes but you are using way and i mean way to much your going to need it stripped and looked at matey and tbh not just bottum end but turbo as well, as the guys have suggested have a chat with dav at api etc tehy are more than willing to talk through a problem and will be able to give you solid advice. pls keep us posted on any developments as this is very interesting.

 

yh i have sent him a pm. its a shame he cant just run the garage through the problem as this has got to be related to the work i have had done so cost wise i will try to come to a agreement as the thought of paying another chunk of cash is really pissing me off.

like the guy above said fill it full of oil sell it on autotrader and hey presto the problem aint mine anymore. unfortunately i am not a complete ******* so would feel very guilty if i did that. what kind of come back can someone actually have if i was to do that and make them sign sold as seen?

i know some people do this just think its wrong

also with the bottom end would i still not see smoke from the exhaust?

that thread i showed you about the disappearing oil sounded so familiar.

nothing on the dipstick etc. i know i used more oil but that was only because i was topping up when i noticed it was empty same as that guy has my oil light has never come on either.

 

I've had a read of this thred and I'm confused. What seals do you keep referring to that the garage didn't do? Apart from the hg, there are no other specific seals as such. Just to reiterate what has been said earlier, to loose that much oil you would see it in either puddles under the car when parked, spewed under the body of the car or see it in plumes of smoke if you were using the amounts you say you are. I presume you had head gaskets done due to overheating issue? If so the parts they advised you to change are all relevant. You need to now start a process of elimination. If you want the car not to cost any more money then your going to have to get ya spanners out and do a bit of investigative work.

1. Take filler cap off rad header tank and make sure there's nothing gunky in there.

2.check expansion bottle next to radiator and check nothing gunky in there.

3. Totally drain the oil and make sure there is nothing left in. Take off the filter. Get new oil and filter and measure out 4.45ltrs of new oil into a container. Use the measured oil to fill the filter. Keep filling it till it stop absorbing oil. Screw the filter on hand tight, and fill the car with remainder of measured oil. Disconnect either the crank or cam sensor and crank the car over till oil light goes out. Plug sensor back in and start engine. Let run warm for 5 mins. Switch off. Nip oil filter up. Let car stand 5 mins and check oil. Should be somewhere near on dip stick. Top up if needed.

4. Wipe all traces of oil off anywhere you can see it.

5. Do some miles in the car steady away off boost. Listen to engine and pay attention as to how the car feels, drives and behaves.

See how it goes and report back. Reason I suggest the above is so that you know what's going on for yourself with regards to how much oil is in the car etc.

Keep us updated.

Need any help give me a txt and I'll help you over the phone. Pm for my number if needed.

Gaz

 

with the bottum end its tricky matey most of the time yes you will see smoke and evan here the engine knocking as in adeep low down knock but sadly that isnt always the case and scooby motors are one of the types that dont follow the norm

just out of interest do you have an oil pressure gauge fitted if so have u noticed the pressure dropping at any time during this all happening¨

as for auto trader sure but do you really want to do that some poor guy that has saved up and buys his dream car only to end up in the same situation as you are now yet hes probably younger and totally shafted now as for come back none if sold as seen

as for the oil light could be youve been real lucky and managed to ad oil before it has become critically low or that the sender just doesnt work properly lets hope for the first

cheers for jumping in on this Gaz its got me confused

 

thanks for that.

as for the seals i didnt buy the full headgasket set i only bought both headgaskets and inlet manifolds.

the garage rang me and said it could be the seals that come in the headgasket set that have not been replaced. i have no idea which ones as he wasnt exact and to be honets i think he was guessing and thinking of something that wasnt his fault.

 

There probably on about valve stem seals,if there gone you should see a cloud of smoke when you start up after being parked up for a while.

 

is it possible that the rear crank seal has failed and oil is leaking into the gear box? i know it seems a bit far fetched and your clutch would probably have started slipping but this doesn't sound like any normal fault. mite be worth a quick check of the gear box dip stick for all the time it would take?

 

If you cant see a huge puddle under the engine after a drive ..... and you cant see clouds of smoke ( and you wouldnt be able to see the car behind IF its burning that much oil ) ....Then it isnt useing oil at the rate you describe....... Simple as matey

I,de be interested to see the car and hear the mechanics side

 

Clutch wouldn't slip if it was rear crank oil seal as it struggles to get around the flywheel as it's tight in the bell housing. If it was rear crank seal you would see it dripping from around the sump area and oil would be all underneath the car, I know because I did one last week. If you fitted the headgasket seals then as I said earlier, there are no other seals to replace really on the oil side of things when doing head gaskets. As last poster said it is almost a physical impossibility to loose that much oil without any trace what so ever. Follow what I said in method above so you know exactly how much oil is in and try again keeping a very close eye on things. If it's a case that the oil
Was off the dip stick then this doesn't mean there is no oil in the car, just not the correct level. It's unlikely that if you haven't driven the car hardly then you probably won't have done anything to the bottom end. They shouldn't have touched the bottom end to do the headgaskets at all so at least they haven't been in there. It seems to me like the garage are clueless and I wouldn't trust them with A chocolate tool box. Im inclined to think you are just miss reading the oil or it's never been filled correctly. Again follow my advice in my other thread and see what's what for yourself. It's either using it or it's not. Simple as. It cannot disapear unless it's hudini oil! Keep us posted as said before. Where are you based out of curiosity?

 

Oil leaking past the rear crank seal can't get into the actual gearbox it would sit in the bell housing and leak.

But not 7 litres its one and a half cans!!!!

We all know when we spill a bit topping up how much mess that makes and thats a fraction of 7 litres.

I think I would do as earlier poster advised and change oil and filter myself and then monitor.

 

you need to get a second compression test done from a different garage this time. where abouts in the country are you located mate? someone maybe local and able to help check over the car.

 

I am based in Macclesfield mate in Cheshire. did you manage to read this thread as it sounds the exact same?


https://www.scoobynet.com/general-tec...oil-level.html

I have seen him myself put in the second 2L and i gave him a 5L bottle when he did the headgaskets, I assume after doing that job he filled it with the 4L. maybe he just put in 2L and stole the rest, cant be sure i have only seen him put 2L in myself and that went very quickly aswell. but yeah please check that link above as its the exact same thing

 

You said you checked the oil level when you got it back

 

On the dipstick the amount of oil between full and below minimum is roughly 1ltr so as already said there could be 3 ltrs plus in there.