So much for the working man!
09 April 2011, 08:08 PM
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I agree with some of the other comments in that if you cant finance your life and the kids by your own means, then dont have kids-or if you do, thats your look-out!
I dont get tax credits by choosing to run expensive cars, so why should people get tax credits when they choose to have kids?
I unfortunately have a low-life cousin who is now 38 but not worked since he was 18. He now has 4 kids (latest just recently) paid for by you and me. I wish the Dss had told him that if he chose to have kids he couldnt afford to look after himself then tough, as you're not getting a penny.
Obviously, i understand that people lose jobs, split-up etc but iam talking about the situations where they start families when they're unemployed or on too low an income to raise kids, expecting us to pick up the bill!
I dont get tax credits by choosing to run expensive cars, so why should people get tax credits when they choose to have kids?
I unfortunately have a low-life cousin who is now 38 but not worked since he was 18. He now has 4 kids (latest just recently) paid for by you and me. I wish the Dss had told him that if he chose to have kids he couldnt afford to look after himself then tough, as you're not getting a penny.
Obviously, i understand that people lose jobs, split-up etc but iam talking about the situations where they start families when they're unemployed or on too low an income to raise kids, expecting us to pick up the bill!
:thumb :too many ******* !!!
09 April 2011, 08:09 PM
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plus 1 and another thing all these hand outs to the immigrants who come to the country you and me at work have to pay for these and they have loads of kids and free benefits this should stop you have children and you should pay for them or be limited to one child and the benefit for thast child. a friend of ours works part time has 2 children by her ex husband they are now 20 and 22 she has another child by an ex partner who is now 8 years old she has a new car every 3 years runs a 3 bed semi detached house works part tiem 15 hours a week currently off sick for the last 10 months her garden is immaculate she went on holdiay to tureky last couple of years we both worj full time smaller mortgage and we dont struggle but we couldnt afford a holiday last year or the year before where are we going wrong ........
09 April 2011, 08:13 PM
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Are people on about income support or working tax here.I worked and paid tax for 25 years and never claimed a penny.In that time we had kids and 18 months ago i lost my job through no fault of my own,so we claimed working tax until i got back in work,ive bought my own house and paid my way throughout my life,im guessing the critics of dont have them if you cant pay wont claim if the same thing happens to them.
09 April 2011, 08:17 PM
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Are people on about income support or working tax here.I worked and paid tax for 25 years and never claimed a penny.In that time we had kids and 18 months ago i lost my job through no fault of my own,so we claimed working tax until i got back in work,ive bought my own house and paid my way throughout my life,im guessing the critics of dont have them if you cant pay wont claim if the same thing happens to them.
SN is full of self made millionaires didn't you know? 
09 April 2011, 08:17 PM
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09 April 2011, 08:19 PM
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I have worked since I was 16, left home at 18 and bought a house, then had 1 child. I went back to work part time, then had my second child. Then I chose to give up my position to look after my children.
Not once have I been given handouts, or relied on anyone other than my partner and he has managed to privede for us, pay a mortgage and run two cars for the last four years.
Not once have I been given handouts, or relied on anyone other than my partner and he has managed to privede for us, pay a mortgage and run two cars for the last four years.
You chose to have children. You chose to give up work. Why should I pay more tax so you don't have to?
09 April 2011, 08:21 PM
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I don't even know how much you earn.
I suppose you mean the 'tax relief' type of thing because I popped out some sprogs?
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but only because he changed jobs last year.
09 April 2011, 08:29 PM
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Is that fair?????????
09 April 2011, 08:33 PM
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and stop them breeding.
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Sending you kids to private education? Again, your choice. But why should you get Tax credit? Why do you deserve that?
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Maybe not, but I would rather our own families got a bit of help from the Government, than the amount of benefits given to immigrants. Now that really tips me over the edge
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09 April 2011, 09:03 PM
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The money is not the issue here, like has been said, it is only a small amount, but it is the fact that this type of thing was in place to encourage working parents to do just that... Go to work.
Now it seems that being a sponge, sitting at home and doing NOTHING, and claiming EVERYTHING from the government is a much easier option.
Let's face it, it has become a choice. People choose to rely in the government to house them, pay their bills, feed their children at school and for what? So they can sit at home and do nothing?
Yet me who was already getting the bare minimum of ALL tax credits and has contributed for 12 years and my partner for 17 now gets bugger all!
You say you choose not to have children, but I assume if you did happen to father a child you would take what was owed you by the government? Or would you be possibly one of the only people who would say no thanks?
09 April 2011, 09:10 PM
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Your choice to pay that. Fair play for deciding to give your kids that cance through your hard work. I'm sure those complaining their little extra has been cut will still spend on beers, cigs, wine etc for themselves.
09 April 2011, 09:13 PM
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Not just him (us, a family) but every other family.
The money is not the issue here, like has been said, it is only a small amount, but it is the fact that this type of thing was in place to encourage working parents to do just that... Go to work.
Now it seems that being a sponge, sitting at home and doing NOTHING, and claiming EVERYTHING from the government is a much easier option.
Let's face it, it has become a choice. People choose to rely in the government to house them, pay their bills, feed their children at school and for what? So they can sit at home and do nothing?
Yet me who was already getting the bare minimum of ALL tax credits and has contributed for 12 years and my partner for 17 now gets bugger all!
You say you choose not to have children, but I assume if you did happen to father a child you would take what was owed you by the government? Or would you be possibly one of the only people who would say no thanks?
The money is not the issue here, like has been said, it is only a small amount, but it is the fact that this type of thing was in place to encourage working parents to do just that... Go to work.
Now it seems that being a sponge, sitting at home and doing NOTHING, and claiming EVERYTHING from the government is a much easier option.
Let's face it, it has become a choice. People choose to rely in the government to house them, pay their bills, feed their children at school and for what? So they can sit at home and do nothing?
Yet me who was already getting the bare minimum of ALL tax credits and has contributed for 12 years and my partner for 17 now gets bugger all!
You say you choose not to have children, but I assume if you did happen to father a child you would take what was owed you by the government? Or would you be possibly one of the only people who would say no thanks?
09 April 2011, 09:20 PM
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09 April 2011, 09:26 PM
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despite working fulltime with 3 kids we are only £72.00quid a month better off than on the social . its the system thats wrong , i had it explained to me as a train , up front there are people in 1st class who dont pay for thier ticket because its paid for us the taxpayer (mp,s) they share with buisness people who put the cost through expences . these tickets make up about 10-12% . then there is 2nd class people daft enough to carry on working for a living . and pay through the nose for thier tickets . then there is 3rd class totally free , with free drinks and wi fi and telephone thrown in for good measure , all things we have to pay for . TO SUM UP THERE ARE TO MANY PASSENGERS ON THE PLATFORM OF LIFE , both at the bottom and top only problem is THEY VOTE and dont the goverment know it
09 April 2011, 09:30 PM
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despite working fulltime with 3 kids we are only £72.00quid a month better off than on the social . its the system thats wrong , i had it explained to me as a train , up front there are people in 1st class who dont pay for thier ticket because its paid for us the taxpayer (mp,s) they share with buisness people who put the cost through expences . these tickets make up about 10-12% . then there is 2nd class people daft enough to carry on working for a living . and pay through the nose for thier tickets . then there is 3rd class totally free , with free drinks and wi fi and telephone thrown in for good measure , all things we have to pay for . TO SUM UP THERE ARE TO MANY PASSENGERS ON THE PLATFORM OF LIFE , both at the bottom and top only problem is THEY VOTE and dont the goverment know it
09 April 2011, 09:35 PM
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that came from a 74 year old customer of mine he comes out with some classics , heres 1 more
his quote on goverment
there are some very clever people there but sadly they lack basic common sense . they bend over to pick up 5pence and put thier **** through a 50quid window and keep doing it until blood comes out of thier shoes
his quote on goverment
there are some very clever people there but sadly they lack basic common sense . they bend over to pick up 5pence and put thier **** through a 50quid window and keep doing it until blood comes out of thier shoes
09 April 2011, 09:45 PM
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despite working fulltime with 3 kids we are only £72.00quid a month better off than on the social . its the system thats wrong , i had it explained to me as a train , up front there are people in 1st class who dont pay for thier ticket because its paid for us the taxpayer (mp,s) they share with buisness people who put the cost through expences . these tickets make up about 10-12% . then there is 2nd class people daft enough to carry on working for a living . and pay through the nose for thier tickets . then there is 3rd class totally free , with free drinks and wi fi and telephone thrown in for good measure , all things we have to pay for . TO SUM UP THERE ARE TO MANY PASSENGERS ON THE PLATFORM OF LIFE , both at the bottom and top only problem is THEY VOTE and dont the goverment know it
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