PSLewis was right, diesel is the future!
21 March 2011, 11:47 AM
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I was not aware of the DPF issues when I bought my Leon, thankfully I bought a pre-common rail engine and I bought the 140 version which does not have the DPF, it's on the 170 engines where that comes in.
It seems the DPF is an issue with people who don't drive any real distances with the engine, seems to need regular motorway runs to keep it sweet
It seems the DPF is an issue with people who don't drive any real distances with the engine, seems to need regular motorway runs to keep it sweet
Chip
21 March 2011, 01:16 PM
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Attached pics of an Audi 3.0 V6 TDi engine's intake runners taken last week (jammed/sticky swirl flaps - you can see why! ).
Thats the intake manifold...yes there is more soot and carbon deposits in there than the exhaust!
Due to the hateful design of VAG's V6 (or V10) diesels, its two hour job just to remove and replace of which most time is spent removing/installing all the parts that are in the way......thats just for the swirl flaps; the rest of the manifold takes even longer (assuming one doesn't drop a bolt into the depths of the engine valley in which case its lost forever, unless you can turn the car upisde down and shake it
). Another good reason to blank off the emission control system (EGR valve in this case).
If this is what the consumer is expected to endure with modern diesels then costs saved in MPG will simply go into extra labour required on repairing the damn things, due the way all the ancillaries are compacted around the engine in such a way that it makes it very difficult to work in with it in the vehicle - A Jag v12 is a joy to work on compared to this.
Thats the intake manifold...yes there is more soot and carbon deposits in there than the exhaust!
Due to the hateful design of VAG's V6 (or V10) diesels, its two hour job just to remove and replace of which most time is spent removing/installing all the parts that are in the way......thats just for the swirl flaps; the rest of the manifold takes even longer (assuming one doesn't drop a bolt into the depths of the engine valley in which case its lost forever, unless you can turn the car upisde down and shake it
). Another good reason to blank off the emission control system (EGR valve in this case).If this is what the consumer is expected to endure with modern diesels then costs saved in MPG will simply go into extra labour required on repairing the damn things, due the way all the ancillaries are compacted around the engine in such a way that it makes it very difficult to work in with it in the vehicle - A Jag v12 is a joy to work on compared to this.
21 March 2011, 03:48 PM
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Well, I'm glad that the penny is dropping for most.
Went down to the South Coast on Saturday - 135 miles round trip and 2.7 Gallons of Diesel = 2.7 x 4.54 x £1:39 ... that's £17.
Scooby, which I used to use would have cost 5.4 Gallons of SUL = 5.4 x 4.54 x £1:34 ... that's £32:85.
90% of the trip is Motorway/Dual Carraigeway - cruise control was set at 85 and the drive was comfortable, smooth, in quality surroundings.
In all honesty, the trip in a Scooby wouldn't have been any better - in fact, I would have been much more 'on edge'. The Honda Diesel instills a quiet calm, a relaxed driving style, a smug feeling that others have inferior cars
To cap it all off, the Honda Diesel stands alone in not having a DPF ... a major deciding factor for my purchase.
Wake up, smell the coffee, the future is Diesel ... Diesel would have to hit £2:50 a Litre before it hurts me as much as the old Scooby did - that's a sober thought, isn't it?
Went down to the South Coast on Saturday - 135 miles round trip and 2.7 Gallons of Diesel = 2.7 x 4.54 x £1:39 ... that's £17.
Scooby, which I used to use would have cost 5.4 Gallons of SUL = 5.4 x 4.54 x £1:34 ... that's £32:85.
90% of the trip is Motorway/Dual Carraigeway - cruise control was set at 85 and the drive was comfortable, smooth, in quality surroundings.
In all honesty, the trip in a Scooby wouldn't have been any better - in fact, I would have been much more 'on edge'. The Honda Diesel instills a quiet calm, a relaxed driving style, a smug feeling that others have inferior cars
To cap it all off, the Honda Diesel stands alone in not having a DPF ... a major deciding factor for my purchase.
Wake up, smell the coffee, the future is Diesel ... Diesel would have to hit £2:50 a Litre before it hurts me as much as the old Scooby did - that's a sober thought, isn't it?
22 March 2011, 11:25 AM
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Well, I'm glad that the penny is dropping for most.
Went down to the South Coast on Saturday - 135 miles round trip and 2.7 Gallons of Diesel = 2.7 x 4.54 x £1:39 ... that's £17.
Scooby, which I used to use would have cost 5.4 Gallons of SUL = 5.4 x 4.54 x £1:34 ... that's £32:85.
90% of the trip is Motorway/Dual Carraigeway - cruise control was set at 85 and the drive was comfortable, smooth, in quality surroundings.
In all honesty, the trip in a Scooby wouldn't have been any better - in fact, I would have been much more 'on edge'. The Honda Diesel instills a quiet calm, a relaxed driving style, a smug feeling that others have inferior cars
To cap it all off, the Honda Diesel stands alone in not having a DPF ... a major deciding factor for my purchase.
Wake up, smell the coffee, the future is Diesel ... Diesel would have to hit £2:50 a Litre before it hurts me as much as the old Scooby did - that's a sober thought, isn't it?
Went down to the South Coast on Saturday - 135 miles round trip and 2.7 Gallons of Diesel = 2.7 x 4.54 x £1:39 ... that's £17.
Scooby, which I used to use would have cost 5.4 Gallons of SUL = 5.4 x 4.54 x £1:34 ... that's £32:85.
90% of the trip is Motorway/Dual Carraigeway - cruise control was set at 85 and the drive was comfortable, smooth, in quality surroundings.
In all honesty, the trip in a Scooby wouldn't have been any better - in fact, I would have been much more 'on edge'. The Honda Diesel instills a quiet calm, a relaxed driving style, a smug feeling that others have inferior cars
To cap it all off, the Honda Diesel stands alone in not having a DPF ... a major deciding factor for my purchase.
Wake up, smell the coffee, the future is Diesel ... Diesel would have to hit £2:50 a Litre before it hurts me as much as the old Scooby did - that's a sober thought, isn't it?
Les
23 March 2011, 03:24 PM
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Had to give my diesel wagon back today, got into my Alfa and near cried at the ****ness of it in comparison, the gear change is sloppy, the brakes are rubbish and squealing and the ride is bone breaking plus i had to fill it up with petrol and remembered how badly it drank the stuff.
....I then got on the backroads of Magheramorne to Ballycarry and realised why i love this car so much, what a weapon it is!
Once i get moved, I'm gonna spend a few hundred getting the brakes replaced, shocks replaced and new manifold(current one is cracked) and she'll sound and feel a whole lot better!
....I then got on the backroads of Magheramorne to Ballycarry and realised why i love this car so much, what a weapon it is!
Once i get moved, I'm gonna spend a few hundred getting the brakes replaced, shocks replaced and new manifold(current one is cracked) and she'll sound and feel a whole lot better!
24 March 2011, 12:46 PM
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I'm sure Les will agree with me here .... I am so glad I got to live through the past decades of cheap fuel and an ability to drive any car without a concern about the fuel gauge dropping.
But times are different, the old days will never return. The current wise money moves into Diesel. The future is electric, however!
But times are different, the old days will never return. The current wise money moves into Diesel. The future is electric, however!
24 March 2011, 01:11 PM
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I'm sure Les will agree with me here .... I am so glad I got to live through the past decades of cheap fuel and an ability to drive any car without a concern about the fuel gauge dropping.
But times are different, the old days will never return. The current wise money moves into Diesel. The future is electric, however!
But times are different, the old days will never return. The current wise money moves into Diesel. The future is electric, however!
25 March 2011, 02:34 PM
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I'm proud and ever so smug that I could see the writing on the wall .... imagine if I allowed myself to buy a brand new STi as I was thinking about doing??? 
Horror costs to fuel it + horrific depreciation .... I couldn't sleep knowing that I had lost £10,000 in less than 10 months!! Madness, complete madness!!
Horror costs to fuel it + horrific depreciation .... I couldn't sleep knowing that I had lost £10,000 in less than 10 months!! Madness, complete madness!!
25 March 2011, 05:31 PM
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I'm sure Les will agree with me here .... I am so glad I got to live through the past decades of cheap fuel and an ability to drive any car without a concern about the fuel gauge dropping.
But times are different, the old days will never return. The current wise money moves into Diesel. The future is electric, however!
But times are different, the old days will never return. The current wise money moves into Diesel. The future is electric, however!
Chip
26 March 2011, 12:29 AM
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I run Ford Finesse diesel estate,no cat modded exhaust,intake,teaked pump,does 48mpg at 80mph,car is all rotted away.I am lucky that I use Ford for work Scooby for fun.The cost of fuel will not stop parents in 4x4s taking their fat lazy brats to school every day !!!The problem I can see is the cost of diesel injection componets,my friend had 2 injector blowing on a 1.4 turbo ford,Ford wanted £1500 to fix it 1/4 the value of the car,I fixed it for £60 parts and all,mind you had to slide hammer 2 injectors out
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26 March 2011, 12:32 AM
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Agree. If they can afford a new X5/RR/Cayenne/Q7 or whatever at £50-70k, fuel prices aren't really any concern to them. Win/win for the government, as they know people will just keep paying.
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