I agree ive never seen a filter failure,i think what it is when someones engine goes bang they look for a reason,and oil and filters are a easy target,when in reality it was just a knackered or mistreated engine.

 

i have just had a blue oil filter fiited from suabru,should i be changing it ?

 

I think the difference here is that Chryslers are designed to have long service intervals whereas Subarus don't, the filter doesnt have to last 20,000miles as it is recommended to be changed long before that, whereas Chrysler parts do. As with every manufacturer, Subaru recommend that regular servicing is carried out and owners are advised that failure to maintain he car properly could lead to running problems. If whinging yanks don't want to have to service a car every 15k miles then buy something else, simple.

 

maz: i get my oil filters from storm motorsport in bradford. they still have loads of the old big black style ones in stock with washers for £10. just a heads up, might go down and buy a box full lol

 

Nice one Eddy. Cheers.

 

storm motorsport here we come.

 

so are the black ones discontinued from subaru completely?
fookin tightwads!

 

Been using 8quid filters from my local motor factors. Seem to have no issue cut one apart no paper end caps real good quality build inside.

 

I seem to remember John Felstead almost had a engine failure last year with one of these blue filter and there's not alot he dosen't know about cars, if it can happen to him it can happen to anyone.

 

for those of you who wish to try the Mazda filters I have found them here for £9.90 delivered http://www.mazdarotaryparts.com/brx-...rsb-1479-p.asp you just need to make sure you go for the 2009-2001 RX8 R3 option!

Graeme

 

I use blue print and never had an issue. Reasonably priced. Never cut one open though to look.

 

There probably fine but personaly i dont think the quality is good, subaru trying to save some money. just going to stick with them and go to tesco tomorrow and do an oil change with 5quid oil as everyone here has a big debate about good oil but coz the filters say suabaru on them they must be great.... im for one not taking the chance i had a fram filter blow clean off my cossie costing me 2k to sort so i'll take my chance else where, good luck guys but im not playing russian relate with my fresh rebuld. (the tesco oil was a joke by the way but was making a point) i like my engine the way it is and hacked off at the cost cutting crap thats going on, i just wont risk it!!

 

You had me going for a bit Jay. As you say the filters MAY be okay but why chance it on such a critical component?! To add insult Subaru charge silly money on a part that should be a few quid. It's akin to Rover putting crappy head gaskets in their cars knowing they would fail! Why not use a part that is up to the job in the first place.

 

i use UFI supplied from Opie Oils never had a problem and they do seem to be really well made.

 

Take everything you read on the internet with a pinch of salt. Im not gonna worry to much tbh.
I work in a main dealership (not subaru) and its hilarious the amount of people that come in kicking off because of something someone has said on a 'forum' and read on the internet. In reality, they have no idea what they are talking about and are usually wrong. As someone said earlier, a little bit of knowledge is dangerous. You dont know anything about this guy who made this video, do you?

 

p.s and from having just watched the video, i think its clear that the guy doesnt actually REALLY know much about what he's talking about.

 

 

Most Impreza owners are a little bit more savvy than the average Joe. Forums are a fount of knowledge (knowledge is not always dangerous) and information. I suppose they are a bane to stealerships, it's not easy to rip off people when they are armed with knowledge and information. We don't know anything about the guy who made the video but we can clearly see what a POS the filter is.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzWen...eature=related

 

Dont get me wrong, Forums are good for a lot of things or i wouldnt be here myself. People that come in with their printouts from what they have read from forums are generally the worst people though yes. Because they are armed with knowledge and and information, yes. But its rarely the right kind of information and knowledge, and are usually alot more stubborn when it comes to accepting the factors which are usually ignored within their flawed diagnosis of their problem.

 

So have we come to a conclusion on these oil filters?

 

Juts a thought, anybody actually had a problem caused by one of these "crappy" filters? I am currently working for a large OEM and funnily enough, in quality engineering. All parts including filters etc go through stringent quality checks both at the manufacturer of the part and also through the OEM's own testing and validation tests. So I dont believe that there will be any problems using these, I have used them on my car which was running 500bhp and yet to have a problem. I also have STI and HKS filters on the shelf as I wanted to see the difference, they are heavier and I will cut all 3 open when I have used them just for interest sake. I fully expect the HKS and STI items to be of better quality but I doubt the subaru filter will cause any problems.

 

Yes, One person who happens to know quite alot about cars/mechanics/racing etc as well.

http://bbs.22b.com/cgi-bin/ultimateb...985;p=1#000000

 

I would know that John would know what he is talking about, I had not seen his thread. There are others on that thread who have also not had any problems. It would also seem that the problem John had isnt the "issue" pointed out on the video? Like I said before though, these parts will have had to have gone through testing, this would have included destructive testing as well to find the limits and in order to be used on production cars which they are now, they would have to have passed all these tests. If they are causing problems on a wide spread scale then you would have to question Subarus testing of these parts but I cant see that being the problem. We all know that some bad parts can be made in any batch and obviously not every part is tested. Personally I would still trust the OEM filter before the likes of Blueprint etc. I have no doubt that the HKS and STI items are good quality as well but they are more expensive.

 

Did the P1 and Hatch STI engines not go through extensive testing!!!!

 

Yep there cheap tat but will do the job at least i think so.They started using these in the states over 18 months ago and they weren't greeted with open arms,but new car owners were told if they were removed there warranty would be void.However some people didn't like them and so didn't care but up to now there hasn't been any issues with them.However you can get better for your money if your not under warranty.

 

Look I am not saying that everything going on every car is going to be ok, I asked at the start of my first post has anybody actually had any problems, it seems a couple have but not that many. Also the "problems" highlighted in the video doesnt seemed to have caused any issues or at least none that I have seen.

I will say however that I have no doubt that the engines you have pointed out will have undergone extensive testing. Maybe the issues werent highlighted, I dont work for Subaru, I dont know, I am just telling you my view from a quality engineers point of view. As far as I know the P1 issue was caused by having an aggressive map, was this also not an issue with the hatch? As essentially the EJ20 and EJ25 havent changed much, maybe the maps were not tested as well as the engine? I know a lot of engines arent tested on their final road maps for as long as they are tested on a "generic" map. Again I dont know the answer, this is all speculation. The point of my posts are that people should not automatically dismiss the OEM filter on the basis of one video, if they have a problem then fair enough but until I have a problem Im not going to shy away from them.

 

Also another point to note, every manufacturer has issues on almost every vehicle, we try to catch as many issues as we can through our testing and validation but essentially nothing can replicate a vehicle being put through its paces in the real world over a number of years and miles so not every issue can be caught.

 

I think John Felstead will disagree.

 

If I'm honest i wouldn't buy one, and subaru have done themselves no favours at all with something as basic as a oil filter. Its simply a money saver for them and lets face it if there cutting back like that its probably not the best advert for a company that prides itself on quality.