lol @ the fatties

 

Good manners and basic driving/riding skills should always be a given regardless of the mode of transport. Some people do indeed react differently when the 2 don't gel.

Now go and draw your curtains, mine are electric.

 

Please explain whilst keeping this and what you were commenting on in mind:
If you are implying that my kicking the car was not 'for real' then I ask you what I should have done. Had I not kicked the car I'm pretty sure I would have ended up under his back wheels but you sound like a man with a good answer for most things.

To be fair to whom? The person you think likely to have gone out to intentionally create this situation despite any shred of evidence to back that up.


We're only discussing footage of a driver endangering a cyclist.


I ****ing hate multiple quotes.

 

Agreed though I was actually in Chesham which is far worse because the roads are so knackered.

 

I take it thats your bike Paul?

 

I was running in Berko last weekend. The kind folk from the rotary club held up the traffic for us

 

That's at least two years running you've had bloody good weather for that.



I hate joggers.

 

I get tarred with being aggressive, you ask me if I'm for real and then in the next sentence say you kicked in a car door.

You were not quoted in my reply, it was to SJ_Skyline. However, as you ask, I couldn't comment as I wasn't there. You did what you saw fit given the circumstances.

To be fair to the whole discussion. We got to see a snippet and just probably it had been going on for some time before.


I agreed with the quote of yours highlighted before my response.


They help to make understanding certain sections easier, though in this case even that didn't ******* help.

 

Spoon - Getting your 'fight on' with a cyclist (who has just been cut up) simply for shouting 'Oi!' whilst tapping on a window isn't really the same as me kicking a car that is in the process of running me down is it.

 

spot on Tony

 

Yes, it is an aggressive reaction to the situation.

 

No, that's a picture of him on his bike

 

not as tall as I had imagined

 

The 'curtains' hairstyle is a bit old fashioned too.

 

It looked to me that the cyclist was riding too far out on the road,he looked a good 2 to 3 ft from the double yellow lines at the start of the video,and then moves back over to the left as the car passes and then shouts at the car driver.The driver then reacts by coming in to close to the cyclist and he used his car to block the cyclist between his car and the kerb.As the car driver got out from his car it sounded like the cyclist shouted i'm reporting you,which probably got the drivers back up even more..

I did do a lot of cycling and admit,i find some cyclists now a days are totally ignorant,especially the lycra wearing type.I have seen these type riding 3 abreast taking up half the width of the road,and they have looked behind to see the tail back of traffic its causing,but do they go into a single file to ease matters no.They just continue riding 3 abreast and know its causing difficulty for vehicles to pass.

 

How dare a cyclist hold up the urgent journey of a car driver.

A cyclist riding in the gutter isn't really a safe strategy for a cyclist as cars will carry on the same speed and pass with oncoming traffic. Just riding that bit further out might just make them have to pause until there is a gap in the traffic coming the other way.

Time lost for the all important driver - a few seconds.

 

Spot on Davyboy

 

Top post - a veritable pearl!

 

Riding two abreast is perfectly legal. Cyclists are not obliged to ride in the gutter.

 

Potholes + Berko wimmins in 4x4s = bleedin' nightmare!

 

163

Give motorcyclists, cyclists and horse riders at least as much room as you would when overtaking a car

212

When passing motorcyclists and cyclists, give them plenty of room (see Rules 162-167). If they look over their shoulder it could mean that they intend to pull out, turn right or change direction. Give them time and space to do so.

Note position of cyclist and car.

 

Not so much jog as run: finished in the top 50

 

Riding two abreast is legal if the road ahead is clear and it is easy for other vehicles to pass relatively unhindered. If there are bends, crests, dips, narrowing or any other obstacle which makes passing the cyclists difficult, they are obliged to return to single file. It's called etiquette, or consideration, and if cyclists want some consideration from others, they need to give some too !

I would implement licensing for over 13's on pushbikes (under 13's restricted to >30mph roads), along with mandatory 3rd party insurance cover. The carrying of functioning lights and compulsory use after dusk (street lights on), as well as the wearing of at least one item of BS hi-vis outerwear, and helmets. Teach the highway code (special version focussing on pedestrian and bicycle use) in primary schools (why do we let our children get to 17 or older before teaching them road safety ? especially when we give them the tools to 'play' in the traffic when we give them bicycles for Xmas !) along with cycling proficiency and a basic hazard and theory test. At 13, to get a license and acquire mandatory insurance there should be an advanced CP test. Licenses should be fully endorsable with financial penalties matching those issued to car drivers, apart from a discount scheme for those of school age.

Why should one section of road users be free to flagrantly break laws and be irresponsible ? When I see cyclists behaving as well as the majority of car drivers, I'll give them more credence, but these militant tw@ts who block up city centres (Critical Mass ?) and set out to provoke motorists, then whine when they get a bit of that abuse back really p!$$ me off. If all 33m car drivers decided to video the actions of cyclists for a week it would overload YouTube with the crappy attitudes to other road users, safety, and the law.

 

49th?

 

 

Davyboy, if you're serious I'm going to eat my own socks. Also if you are, Clare needs to restrict your time online.

 

Corradoboy - helmets are of arguable benefit (there's LOADS of evidence available on this subject), lights ARE mandatory, and why the hell should a cyclist be forced to wear hi-viz and take the responsibility of looking for them away from careless drivers?

All your ridiculous ideas about enforcement would simply stop people cycling and before you say "good!" just think about the health benefits lost from all these people no longer cycling to keep fit and the massive increase in health care required (go look to Australia for evidence of this)

I agree about one section of road users not being free to break law - ANYONE who uses the road should abide by it's rules but then only a minority of cyclists do break the law, you just don't notice the ones that don't. However, let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

 

I know full well lights are mandatory, but no-one enforces the law (it seems) and many ignore it. I work night-shifts over a weekend and during the darker months I see MANY cyclists without lights OR hi-vis. On the subject of hi-vis, there is no common-sense justification you can give which makes it a good idea for cyclists not to be as visible as possible, so just bloody get them on. During the week I work as a driving instructor, and thus it irritates the Hell out of me that cyclists can use the same roads as car, bus and truck drivers, but with no testing of their knowledge of road law, safety or common sense, and no requirement to have adequate financial cover in the event the cause or are involved in any accident. Given the vulnerability of cyclists, you'd think private health care would be a legal requirement as the NHS could decline treatment as they have put themselves in danger. It has been discussed in the past that sportsmen (and wimminz), alcoholics, drug addicts and smokers should fund their own treatment, so why not others whom choose to do something so inherently dangerous ? When I am teaching I see a great many cyclists as I am often in the student areas of my home town, and I often comment that if a cyclist I see isn't already breaking a traffic law, they will within 30 seconds. Kids are a severe liability, but even adults cyclists seem arrogant of the law, as if it is carried from childhood cycling. With 150-200 cyclists killed every year, and a further 6-800 seriously injured, it is about time we placed responsibility with the individual instead of following the usual anti-car route. As car drivers are bound by law (yes, law, and one which the vast majority adhere to) to be qualified, tested, licensed and insured, it is easy to direct penalty, blame and financial compensation to them. But why should it be so ? Every individual should take responsibility for themselves, and by implementing similar training, testing, legal obligations, penalties and financial cover, we are all equal and legitimate users of the same roads under the same rules. Cyclists seem to have some carte-blanche exemption from responsibility, and yet scream the loudest for their rights over anybody else. If you choose to balance on a big coat-hanger with no safety equipment amongst heavy, fast moving traffic, then YOU are taking that risk, so why should I take responsibility for you ?

 

Good Lord we should start a rant section for you

Point 1. Cycling is NOT dangerous. Get rid of that idea. You state xxx amount of cyclists die each year, now put the figures in context and compare them to all road fatalities, pedestrian fatalities, deaths in the home (non-natural!), deaths with driving etc etc. Why should people who choose to pursue a safe past-time be required to pay extra for their health care?
Are you implying that anyone who chooses to step outside of the 'norm' is penalised? Wow.

I honestly think you need to go and look up some of the supportive stats available about cycling - it's safe, quick and a hell of a lot of fun. You seem to be spitting your vituperation at one class of road user and choosing to ignore the huge number of issues caused by the others

 

the 1 and only thing that annoys me about cyclists is when they are travelling in groups and insist on riding side by side taking a car width space up forcing you to follow them if its not safe to overtake, why dont they cycle single file??? annoying!!