you can't silo these issues -- and that's the problem, other wise you end up with US/UK backed authoritian and corrupt regimes shooting protesters whilst we are bombing authoritian and corrupt regimes for shooting protesters.

sorry if it isn't black and white for you JT

it need a proper solution

 

Should the UK stop exporting arms?

 

we could go on all night

does the arms trade breed and fuel corruption and help prop up authoritian anti democratice regimes

 

Yes. So should the UK stop exporting arms?

 

I reckon you're right about the lack of access to resources, it creates inequality. But what is the cause? I can never think about the problems in Africa without also thinking about the unfairness there. That has to be a pretty large factor IMO. But again I'm a believer in the individual, and society is just those individuals coming together as they choose - no doubt more socialistic thinkers would have a different view.

I just don't think the people in much of Africa have a chance to better their situation, and, without going into a lengthy post about all the different aspects which contribute to that, the style of government has to be the most important.

Some of these countries were probably better off (materially) under British oppression than that of their natives.

Again all IMHO.

 

So does buying oil.

Anyway if we don't sell them weapons they will buy them from Chinese or Russians.

 

The empowerment of women via the cessation of animalistic birth cycles and that begins with education. Getting the ******* Catholic church out the way would be a good start. Comic Relief are doing some good work around this, to be fair, but it barely scratches the surface. Education, education, education not
silly mythology bandied about by sky-fairy worshipping priests!

 

LOL! I said I'm thinking about it. Pardon my brevity but the truth is I haven't made my mind up. Something is not right however.

I have loads on at the moment, but will bring my usual gravitas to bear on the situation at some point, to enlighten both you and others.

Asif

PS. Before I do, I think TDW should post some Libya pics of his so we can get a feel of the situation, no?

 

Useless elites is the problem and the useless/dysfunctional political institutions they have set up.

Thing is how to you create democracy out of thin air? Democracy is not just having a vote or having democratic institutions, you need a civil society and a democratic culture, or you end up with a mobocracy driven by populism.

Basically you need a broad middle-class/bourgeois class who are politically conscious.

 

Hindsight - 20:20 I'm told.

 

I understand - you are waiting to see how the cookie crumbles then you can make your mind up!

/Sorry no pix I'm afraid.

 

Female empowerment - get that right, and the rest follows.

 

Hodgy?

 

That's not how it happened in Britain.

 

We didn't have massive population control issues, an AIDs epidemic and illiteracy rates at 70%. (Apart from in Bristol).

 

poverty and inequality - get that right, and the rest follows (including women in mini skirts)

 

Libya isn't over populated.

Female emancipation follows after Capitalism and relative prosperity.

More primitive economic modes still require women to primarily be child bearers/raisers.

Capitalism requires women to be producers otoh, equal to men etc. Capitalism requires all economic potential to be unlocked.

 

are you a Dalek TDW

 

No I can manage stairs.

 

with all that hot air coming out of your backside i imagine you can

 

:l ol1::lol 1:

Coughing - I am laughing so much!!!

 

:l ol1:

I'm still laughing! That plus the fact that The Pink Panther Strikes Again is on. LOL!

 

Back on topic these lot are clued up

http://www.fightercontrol.co.uk/foru...ed6b0e4b70e77b

 

Sorry Tone, but the situation is so fast moving, with a distinct absence of facts that I don't know. What's wrong with that?

Whereas you and JT, goose stepping around your bedroom(s), shouting out "KILL, KILL, KILL!", whilst frothing at the mouth, know all the answers?

I don't think so.

But as long as we've sent over a few gunboats to keep the colonies in line, you're quite happy it seems?

Why no pics? You weren't working were you? Just hiding from what I recall? Are you saying that you or anyone else there with you, took no pictures of the people threatening your location? (obviously discreetly)

 

I'm talking sub-Saharan Africa, here, and by empowerment I'm talking the right to not be getting up the duff every 18 months and the right not get AIDs because the Catholic church disallows condoms and the right to learn to read. I'm no talking fancy Emmeline Pankhurst emancipation.

 

I think that's Godwin's, and you've barely broken cover. Nevermind, Asif.

 

Hodgy?

 

No need to resort to leftist cliches, it's just intellectually lazy.

No certainly did not take snaps of the guys with AK47's.

 

As soon as someone points out you are right wing which you most obviously and clearly are you keep trotting out this stupid Godwin's thing like a retarded school kid in the playground.

You dole out enough condescending crap so be prepared to be told what you are and deal with it or are you cutting and pasting so much you don't even know what you come across like any more?

Try listening to yourself and maybe get that massive ego laden head out of your sorry **** while you are at it!!!

Goodnight

 

You're not off the hook either, Mr de Wonderful.