The article blames Israeli for not negotiating peace but from Oslo onwards it's been the Palestinians rejecting or even not negotiating. At Camp David the offer of 95% of Arafat wanted was not even met with a counter offer. Israel has unilaterally dismantled settlements and made ceasefire all for naught, and let's not forget that in 1948 in was the Arabs who attacked the nascent Israel...so much for being willing to negotiate peace!

 

Exactly. It will take us a long time to figure out there is no point to religion, but 3 seconds after this all hell will break out and we will all start fighting over something else. So which is better, a free for all or religion that at least over 80% of the world works better. Just look at some of the goings on in China. Anyway, thats all 500 years ahead and I will be long dead! (or living as a head in a jar)

 

And let's not forget that in the early months of 1948 the Zionist forces captured Haifa, Jaffa and Jerusalem from the territory the UN had allocated to the Palestinians, well before the Arab nations attacked Israel on 14 May ... so much for being willing to negotiate peace!

Suffice it to say there were provocations on both sides.

 

wikileaks have shown the palastinians did "cross the rubicon" in their acceptance of Israel -- much like the IRA did with the acceptance of Northern Ireland in the 90's

but America played it very differently with regards the two conflicts - in one they achieved peace, in the other!!!!

 

Just watched this on iPlayer. **** me, no wonder people hate the Jews.

I realise that the people represented in that program are not necessarily representative of Jews in general, but some of the arrogance and disregard for other people, simply because they believe they are the chosen ones, or some kooky book written by bronze age sheep herders, beggars belief!

That program made me want to go and join Hamas

Geezer

 

Yes you had civil clashes sure from 1947 after the UN decided to partition, but it was mainly initiated by Arabs and then you had an escalation of violence as militias from both sides stepped in.

 

Which Palestinians, Hamas and Fatah?

 

I think you have to realise though, that these are extremists and are no more representative of the Jewish religion than the terrorist suicide bombers are of the Muslim religion.

As I said earlier it is good to see a programme on the extremists of a religon other than that of Islam if only that it may make some people start to realise that the fault is not necessarily with religion but with people claiming that they act in the name of religion.

 

Zionists are not threatening my freedoms or life.

 

Who is then?

 

Speak for yourself, there's a zionist threatening my will to live

*Holy Corner*

 

Pure class

 

I can't believe my posts got vaped!

Must be a Jewish conspiracy!!

 

 

It's quite obvious w/out derailing this thread by talking about a certain issue which the moderators would not wish us to talk about because this thread is not supposed to be about that but is instead supposed to be about Louis Theroux's TV program.

Anyway I've never said there are not nutty fringe elements in Israel and I have acknowledged the settlers are a problem.

They don't run the Israel state though and polls show that the majority favour a two state solution. OTOH with Hamas/Hezzbollah you have a fanatical death-drive for conquest and ethnic cleansing. It's clear to me that the extremists on the other side are far more front and center in the political arena....and we are told able to hold the moderates hostage and that perhaps goes for here too where the moderates complain about being unable to combat them, plus you have 'leading moderates' (Lord Achmed) engaging in the same introverted, warped paranoia saying MI5 did the tube bombing etc and the most leading moderates like Baron Warsi now race hustling and blaming 'Islamopobia'.

 

Well all I can say is that I can't understand why you go through life feeling threatened for your life or your freedom by a tiny tiny number of nutters.

You have more chance of a heart attack or getting run over.

Just get on with it man and stop snivelling

 

the real question, which will puzzle historians of the future won't be Islamic terror, real or perceived, but how the state of Israel - born out of the horror of the Holocaust and with natural and understandable sympathy of most of the world - managed to burn through it in less than a generation.

to become state of terror, whose existence is only maintained by an unholy alliance of the American far right and the Jewish lobby.

As a weird extension of this American policy the US props up unsavoury leaders throughout the Middle East - often an elite who steal from the state and impoverish their countryman, which in turn adds fuel to the fire of radical Islamism.

 

Israel doesn't care for you absurd populist argument. Jews were despised for centuries for no good reason before. Your trying to play an appeal to popular opinion fallacy but it's irrelevant. There were pogroms in the Arab world even before 1947, hardly like Jewish people were loved in those countries before.

Any other states in this world you think should exists at the pleasure of mob opinion?

The Iranian regime arrests/executes its own protesters, retards economic development, and how come that is not 'inflaming' radical Islam?

 

Sure, nothing to study there.

 

pathetic

 

This thread's not about Islam, it's about ultra Zionism. Please TRY to stay on topic.

 

Israel makes up an a staggering 1% of the surface area of all the Arab countries in the Middle-East. Those greedy, greedy Jews are just never satisfied, are they

 

Good point Clare and wholly in context with this thread - if not telly in general

I've discussed this at length here before, but by now I just tell my kids (5 & 7) straight that what they get told at school as fact is actually just old stories and some peoples opinion - neither Daddy or Mummy actually believe any of it... They tell me God's watching FFS...

Its confusing for them, but they'll cope as Daddy's far cooler than state programmed indoctrination by teachers! Then add bombs if you REALLY believe!

Ohh and Zionists - they really should change their PR Co!

D

 

Love it!

KEEP CALM AND CARRY ON! (leave the tricky stuff to the clever people & mind your head as it pops out the sand though )

D

 

But they make up for far more than that in general other local population suffereing dont they. Fair?

Also >telly mode on< did anyone notice the dead pixels on Louis' camera? Thought my plasma had 4 big white holes in it from Hamas - terrible!

D

 

The displaced would not be there if Israel had not been attacked (several times) and they could be helped now because many are in refugee camps in Arab countries, so why don't these same countries give them citizenship and help them? No they keep them locked up and suffering to perpetuate the grievance so politicians can exploit it.

You don't see Arabs inside Israel leaving en mass.

 

I couldnt disagree more (think cart/horse), but its bedtime.

D

 

So what's your point? If you don't recognize Israels right to exists and agree with a two state solution then you are part of the Problem.

Western lefties/liberal who take the stance that Israel should not be, can find solidarity with Hamas and Hezzbollah.

 

the zionist have more blood on there hand, if isreal wasn't funded and supported by America where else can they afford all the weapons and wealth? and how can they be so cocky and get away with it. it's clear there's Is a law for them and a law for everyone else. FACT!!!!!!!

 

Tony,

You are posting the same cobblers as before. How can you say that it is all the fault of Hezzbollah and Hamas? They are just an extremist creation borne out of the extremism of Zionism. They wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for Zionism.

"Oh they are just defending themselves" and, "It wouldn't have happened if the arabs hadn't done this, or if the arabs hadn't done that".

That is exactly what anyone there says when they wish to justify the status quo, which is indefinate hostililties.

You need to recognise the programme as portraying a side that is rarely seen, for some reason.

Do you not wonder that most people around just seem to believe that Muslims wake up in the morning and decide, "Hmm, what shall I do today? I know I'll decide to hate some Jews, or some Christians, or some white people, or some Westerners". Anyone who simply believes that without question has something wrong with them.

They may have reduced some settlements, but are building plenty elsewhere you know? The Zionists will NEVER let go of Jerusalem. The Arabs could offer them complete peace, security, and $100billion and the Zionists/Israelis would rather have a state of hostilities, so they can keep hold of what they took by force.

You had better answer this sensibly, or you go back on ignore! And I will go into Ultra Anti Israeli mode, just to annoy you!