rogos

if i come across that cyclist he will become no more! he is a big and dangerous problem to other road users and seriously needs to be run over and killed.

rogos

this cyclist didnt even slow down for the roundabout and must of assumed right of way, as before he entered the roundabout he could see the driver of the car had not seen him and was not going to stop so the cyclist had he of looked at the driver would have also known this and stopped but he obviously did not and put himself in harms way. so in this instance it is fault of both parties as they have both failed to stay aware of their surroundings and also failed to make the correct observations when using a puplic road.

Kieran_Burns

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It was his right of way (the cyclist), the driver had complete responsibility for the accident not the cyclist - and while I agree that everyone on the roads has a shared responsibility for co-operating - in this specific case: the guy on the bike could do very little to avoid what happened.

I've read a very good article on SMIDSYs where the guy on the bike (powered or not) is missed because of their lack of LATERAL movement - this is a classic example: the bike was coming almost straight at the driver so was perceived as a lower 'threat' (distance / size) which presumably is why the driver didn't register him. He almost certainly saw him, but didn't realise how close he was.

Nevertheless - the blame lies squarely with the driver.

Jolly Green Monster

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totally agree with you, and not that it makes any of the blame on the rider but he doesnt even react.. you need to be a bit more proactive as a rider to survive..
I know I am knowing there is going to be an accident and looking for it but as a rider he needs to be also 110% alert and appears to do nothing.. no shouting, no braking, no moving to avoid it.. he shouldn't have to with regards to right of way and blame but needs to if he wants to survive imho.

Simon

Kieran_Burns

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honestly, I don't think he even had time. From the "is he going to stop?" to "Oh sh... he's not going to stop!" to "I'm flying!!!!" is about a second.

(Looking at the vid (and having the same camera) I would estimate the cyclist's speed at about 17-18mph which really should give the driver plenty of time, but unfortunately this didn't happen)

Jolly Green Monster

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looking at it from a motorcylists view point I thought he had time to react.. but then on a motorcycle you do get used to having to react quicker and used to near misses.. cycling along.. in a pleasent mood and it appears warm, nice day.. he checked right and has right of way so why would he necessarily do more.. easy to view it sat here on a computer chair and say he had time to react.. dunno..

Simon

Kieran_Burns

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Check the comments on the vid: Andy gives much more information about the incident (apparently the driver slowed, then accelerated) Oh and he (the driver) was prosecuted as well.

jta

Going back to the scooby video... i dont think its matters what a lot of the youth drive today they are all hot headed he could of been driving a corsa he would of reacted the same way... why make an **** of yourself by slamming the brakes on getting out your car puffing up your belly and chest then after a load of mouth walk away ?? i just dont get it what are you trying to prove, how hard you are intimadating a guy on a push bike who i will garuntee will weigh 10 stone soaking wet ffs dude grow up why not put your hand up an appologise to the biker !

The truck video..that driver wants a kick up the **** the bike no matter how much of a tit he is is alowed to be there your supposed to leave a minimum door width when over taking he was way to close if he had of knocked the bike over and rode over the top of him he wouldnt even of realised he had done..(a friend of mine lost his son threw the same thing)
sorry but if its not safe to pass then wait

rogos

+1 thats my point exactly.

stringostar

if cyclists paid road tax, then i would gladly listen to their points of view.. but, they dont, so i aint interested... they are now making little old ladies who drive electric mobility scooters pay tax and have to have an MOT, so why not cyclists?

SRSport

I would be more concerned about cars that emit less than 100g/km of CO2 not paying road tax. Cyclists dont cause wear to the roads or clog them up, well not really, and emit 0g/km of CO2 so dont clog up our air either. If they want to turn up everywhere all sweaty, exhausted and stressed out then thats up to them I guess but Im not about to say that they should pay for the privilege.

They have every right to be there and think I would be more worried about the mentality of the government than anything else if they were to start taxing cyclists so am happy to listen to sound reasoning from those who don't take the mick and respect the cars they share the roads with. Unfortunately all too many cyclists like to exercise their 'equal right' to be on the road a bit too much and do stupid things because they feel as though they should be able, failing to appreciate that cars are actually a lot faster, larger and heavier and for some reason assume they are the ones that need to take all the responsibility.

Kieran_Burns

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Seriously? You still come out with this rubbish? Despite posts on this thread explaining that no one pays Road Tax?

It beggars belief that this level of ignorance still exists. I can't even be bothered to explain it to you if you can't be bothered to read what already been put in front of you.

SRSport

We all know what he means though but I do agree that it is a rather inane post.

Kieran_Burns

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Okay okay

Roads are paid out general taxation and Council Tax
VED (not road tax) is a vehicle duty specifically imposed to take away the link between paying the duty and road care.
Roax Tax was finally abolished in 1937 by Winston Churchill
Given that cycle commuters are by definition commuting (to work) they pay taxes, so therefore pay their way for the upkeep of the roads they use

So, given the premise that cyclists DO pay to maintain the roads - does this mean that people will be willing to listen?

SRSport

You would hope so but I doubt it. Sorry, I didn't mean that your post was inane if it came across that way, I meant the post that you were referring to was.

Kieran_Burns

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I got that (I was replying to the previous post, and not yours as well)

I only replied 'cos I figured maybe the message might get across with repetition

MrNoisy

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Think that sums it up nicely

Kieran_Burns

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I'll give you the sweaty (God knows it's getting warmer now and you can feel it)

but stressed?

Nah....

http://youtu.be/GZ1DY7bqICY?hd=1

TinyTim

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CyclingMikey, I've just watched a number of the videos on your youtube channel and would like to say a few things.

1. Whether law or not, I personally think you take up too much of the road. Maybe if you gave the drivers a litle more room and respect, it would be recoprocated... maybe worth a try for a week?

2. You're not invincible. By all means, use the camera to record incidents where bad drivers have come close, but you're not the law. Don't start shouting at people and goading them... there are people bigger and stronger than you out there and wont think twice about putting you on your ***.

3. Take a chill pill, I think half of the videos you've put up are pointless and you're looking for instances of bad driving which arent really there. On the flip side, you dont seem to target any motorcyclists or other cyclists.

scoobyman.matt

cyclingMikey im sorry but when you say many cyclists pay insurance then that is fair enough but you must conceed that they are by far in the minority, vast number of cyclists do not and will never pay insurance unless made to.

So when they have a collision which is their fault and do damage the law sais you can just say sorry and ride off on your merry way. My point is all road users should as a point of law have to have insurance to cover damage/injurys caused by their own actions.

ALi-B

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I think alot of problems could be avoided if the cyclist assumes (or any other 'at risk' road user) he doesn't have right of way or they haven't been seen by the other road user (be it car, HGV moped or pedestrian). The same applies to cars sitting in HGV's blind spots...why put oneself in such a dangerous position and do nothing about it?

Yeah yeah, I know the law and HC says this that and the other, but in the end, if its an instance where one can get seriously hurt. Then assuming the other vehicle hasn't seen you, or is unable to react quick enough will mean you stay out of their (and harm's) way or travel at a speed allowing you react and minimise the worst case consequences.

My old Impreza still wears its war-wound on its bumper from hitting a cyclist; Kid came bombing down a hill from a side road at a offset crossroad I was turning in (I had right of way as his road was a give way). He couldn't stop and went straight across the cross roads....Now I was totally unaware of this as I did not see him approach, but luckily somehow I caught a glint of 'something moving fast' in the corner of my eye and stopped the car. Just as well as I did and a split second later the cyclist (having lost control) slid underneath the front of the car!

Had I been rolling I'd have crushed him. Even if I had right of way blah blah. I was doing what any other road user should do and performed a manouver under caution with awareness....unlike the cyclist, I may add. What is the point here? Well I had right of way, I could perform the manouver at higher speeds of up to 15mph, but no, I was doing 5mph....and I took caution; It was just as well I was, because the unexpected DID happen.

The cyclist in the mini roundabout crash posted earlier by Kieran imo didn't not slow for the mini roundabout (trying to maintain speed to conserve energy?). The roundabout being laid out like a fork in the road could easily mean oncomming drivers at the second exit can inadvertantly assume that the 1st exit is straight on (very common on this style of mini roundabout). Entering such roundabouts at what looks like 15-20mph, is far too fast considering the personal vunerability and the approaching car. In fact, I don't think I'd have driven a car round at that speed with an oncomming car approaching from the opposite direction! It doesn't matter on the right of way, why commit so much to maintaining speed when in a situation that potentially could kill you?

Its like everyday I encounter someone on a 2 lane roundabout taking the 3rd exit in the left lane (intended for taking the 2nd exit) leaving me with nowhere to go, now I have right of way, so what do I do? Stand my ground and let them crash into me? Of course not! I slow and let them do what ever stupid/ignorant manouver without getting tangled up with them (OK, I sometimes will tailgate them for a next few yards with my headlamps on full and lean on the horn for a few seconds just to make them aware of my 'presence' as per HC rules - and get the point across ).

So in my eyes, assuming every other nearby road user is an idiot who is likely to crash into you, and won't go far wrong

Steve001

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CM's gone a bit quiet...........maybe he's under a bus somewhere

TonyBurns

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Interesting accident with the cyclist, did he give any indication of where he was going? he is passing a junction on the roundabout but is/has he given indication he intends to go that way? also the vectra driver just came straight out too, ok the mondeo driver pulled out, not a good pointer for him but if the cyclist didnt indicate his intentions then he deserves a bit of a slapping for that (though the car driver should have stopped at the roundabout until he knew what the cyclist was doing).

Tony

checksum

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1, Driver was not looking where he was going and should be banned.
2, The roundabout is so poorly signed that it amazing this does not happen every day.

A good 50% of the time a car will pull out on me cycling across a roundabout which I use everyday, I do not think this is because they cannot see me as I wear a high visibility jacket which is hard to miss.

No idea how to solve it.

checksum

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Thinking about some more this is how to solve it.

http://www.youtube.com/v/GaQB_tgS7f0...dded&version=3

Kieran_Burns

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Here's the vid I've been thinking about:

http://forum.notobikeparkingtax.com/...nce-manoeuvre/

valid for bicycles as well.

Kieran_Burns

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Apparently he did.

CyclingMikey

Cycle commuters pay income and council tax, which is also used to pay for roads. It's irrelevant anyway, because the public highway is for all. Even someone on benefits cycling has the same right to the road that you or I do.

1 Most people who have household insurance will be covered for 3rd party cycling collisions, I believe.
2 Even if someone doesn't have insurance you can still claim from them.
3 Cyclists aren't required by law to have insurance, and that's because they cause only a tiny fraction of the amount of death, serious injury, and expensive property damage that motor vehicles and their drivers do. Having insurance makes it much easier to sort out these problems.
4 I'll bet you'd be surprised to learn that the vast majority of the subset of collisions between bicycles and motor vehicles are the fault of the driver. Not having a protective metal cage means that cyclists are vastly more motivated to avoid bumps and scrapes than motorists are.

CyclingMikey

Well, it was a year ago, and yes, it's obvious I brake for the idiot driver, and I'm forced into the nearside lane 1 when I wanted lane 2 to go straight on past the Oval.

The silver car being in the ASL illegally has nothing to do with it? That driver was breaking the law, and I wasn't. You're displaying signs of TRL549 mate.

Is that like I should have no pity for drivers cos [sic] "you all speed, all drive on the phone, all go through red lights, and pass cyclists too closely"? Of course not, the vast majority of all road users are great, they drive well, share the road, and are kind to others. A tosser will probably be a tosser whether they're on a bike, in a Subaru, or walking.

dazdavies

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LOL is this still going on?