Im afraid the 'partitioning' was as much strategic as anything , only partly orchestrated by a rather ineffectual foreign minister ( one of my forbears )

 

Both Shas and Jewish Home are part of the current coalition government in Israel. Shas has recently joined the World Zionist Organisation and while they do not support settlements in the West Bank they believe all of Jerusalem should be part of the Israeli state. Jewish Home are an ultra right-wing religious party who believe all Palestistians should be removed to Jordan.

Sharon's action withdrawing from Gaza was admirable (I guess he developed a conscience in later life with all the blood on his hands), but otherwise Israel's actions against illegal settlements have been extremely half-hearted and usually the result of the American's holding their hand to the fire. Recent settlement activity around Jerusalem seems designed to thwart any hopes of peace - it's difficult to see it having any legitimate purpose.

 

the reason the Arabs went to war was to try and get back some of the land back, there other reasons too like the channel ect.

why should other Arabs let then settle when it's not there country, but to be fair there is a lot of palistinians living and SETTELED in other Arab countries. I'm aware of the palistinain refugees in lebanon. but lebanon isn't that far ahead in terms of the government, benefits ect. so they can't offer much tothe palistinain people.

they wasnt recognised by you but in the Arab world it's still recognised as palistine.

the utter rubbish the politicians speak makes me sick the truth is right there in your face yet the politians still lie. politicians are simply salesmen.



look at Cyprus for instance me and you can fly direct to the Greek side but not Turkish side. and the Greek cypriot currency is stronger than the pound. I've been Cyprus three times, nothing there but donkeys and small villages afew clubs and that's it. they export nothing more than Greek yoghurt and water melons and the occasional halomi cheese lovely place. yet there currency is stronger than the pound.


this world is messes up cause people like you don't ask the question they believe what ever they fed in the media. sorry if i sound harsh just in a bad mood after watching Gordon ramseys shark bate

 

So Arafat rejecting the 95% offer was not an obstacle to peace and same for the current Palies not even knowing what they want (Hamas wants full conquest!).

Agreeing to the two state solution would have put massive pressure, domestic and international - on the settlers and the extreme right. As it is you have one half of the Palies (Hamas preaching full ethnic cleansing) so you may ask why should the extreme settlers not go ahead and do what they want?

 

Are you going to leave the UK?

How about the Albanians in Kosova? They have their own nation now at the expense of the Serbs.

True yet you seem to support the Politicians of Hezzbollah, Iran etc. They are even bigger liars.


So how do you justify the Turkish invasion? Where is the protest?

 

I knew i should of edited the first comment or event elaborated a bit more, the Arabs are next door neighbours of palistine and most of the countries around there are strigling anyway so how can they support the palistinians too.

lebanon doesnt even have nhs out there? Syria is has no money they are broke there currency is worthless. the Turks speak a different language. would you live under sadam in Iraq when he was around??


hizzballah aren't politicians there a group of people who are fighting against the oppression. I don't agree with a lot of things they do but I'm sure they wouldn't e around If palistine wasn't oppressed.

me leave the uk You crazy this is my country now as I contribute to it and I built my life here. but to be fair I've thought about leaving yes with government taking **** with prices rising for everything.

how do you justify they bigger liars when they sat inter own homes and some **** sucker went there and accused them of having weapons of mass destructions. wheres the weapons that bush went in to Iraq for. bush clearly went in for oil so who's the lied now????????!!!??????

 

Mus, do what i do just sit up a tree and watch as this thread will soon go on and on like the ariston adverts it will soon break and everyone will argue!

 

Oppression of who? The Lebanese or Palestinians? They are Lebanese right?

You don't believe America 'liberated' the Iraqis for selfless/altruistic reasons, so why do you believe Hezzbollah?

Hezzbollah like any new organisation with a political elite want power. They use the Palestinians as a reason to sieze power, the take control of South Lebanon on the basis they are 'defending against Israel'. Without Israel they would have no way to convince people that they were necessary...no reason for being in the Lebanese. They tell the Lebanese that Israel is a danger and by the way we will sieze power and push our political ideology through which just happens to mean our Leadership acquire massive local POLITICAL POWER.

They have to keep the conflict going or the Lebanese would realise they have no use for them, why else kidnap IDF soldiers and start a war? Only point is to keep the conflict going....it was entirely POLITICAL which is why I say the are politicians.

 

As I've already said, the Palestinian leadership have not helped the peace process (and IMHO have done their people a massive disservice), but I don't see any of this as justification for Israel riding rough-shod over international law and UN resolutions by continuing to build on occupied territory.

If Hamas and Fatah both agreed to recognise the existence of the Israeli state according to the pre-1967 boundaries would this be enough to get Israel's agreement to a Palestinian state with the reciprocal boundaries? It should be if Israeli rhetoric is to be believed, but it will never happen because Netanyahu is reliant on Zionist parties to hold his coalition together. Even Sharon couldn't force through the total settlement freeze which was a pre-condition of the first phase of the 2002 peace plan.

 

Tony do me a favour, don't feel qualified to comment on what I may or may not think. For the record I have not run out of arguments but I'm not going to waste time pontificating with you.

 

Hey Tony instead of telling everyone else what they think why not answer my question so we know what and how you think?

I am thinking the multiple choice answers are going to have to be given to you soon.

 

I can only presume he's a Zionist.

 

Sure, to annoy you.

 

What is the point in posting if you are not going to debate?

 

I have no qualms about debating. However your viewpoint is set in stone and debating is a fruitless pursuit.

 

By the sheer amount of threads you post "seeking debate" I would have to hypothesise that you are a prolific mass debater, in fact the most widespread mass debater SNet has ever known

 

I make my positions known based on reason and argument. You otoh in reply to my series of points and arguments just say 'oh well I disagree'. It just shows the weakness of your position....not based on reason just emotion.

Just saying.

 

Your position is based on rigorous assertion of 'facts' according to you. You use red herrings when your argument is without basis and position compromised. You cannot answer a straight question. Yet you consider my position weak.

 

That Jesus bloke, he was Jewish.

 

Jesus was a black man!

 

I can't refute that because you are not referring to specifics.

 

No Jesus was Batman.

 

You know that makes you sound like a robot.

Computer says no!

 

Look you have taken some historical half truths (Jewish people owned 7% prior to 1948), and then projected your own idea of 'justice' onto the conflict on behalf of the Palestinians.

A conflict which is nothing to do with you and never asked you to stick your oar in.

 

Oh the irony.

 

He really is numb as f**k isn't he?

 

F*ck me!!! Mods,'regardless of the mong being a payd member
, please ban the cunt. Tony please **** off with your drivel. I'm sick and tired of seeing your user name and crap posts/threads!!

 

get in fight club sheep lover your soft now ill have to induct you again its bin that long and you miss paul

 

You are just an apologist for a sick brutal and morally bankrupt regime, the majority of the population having been bused in from the former iron curtain countries in the last 20 years - who seem quite at ease shooting and bulldozing (and cluster bombing) innocent civilians



They have no more right to settle in the region than I have to claim a part of kazakhstan as my own