pslewis

You do, indeed, endow me with great powers ..... my threads and posts have been accused of being many things - of being responsible for the possible collapse of a sub company of FUJI Heavy Industries? ..... never

I do wonder about the mind of someone who thinks in such a way, to be honest. But never mind, it takes all sorts to make a successful Forum - I'm sure you will find your little niche within ScoobyNet to thrive and prosper.

What I have said about running costs, of fuel usage, of the supreme reliability of the Marque, of the Road Tax costs and Insurance costs are very well documented elsewhere - anyone thinking of buying a Scooby have all these facts to hand LONG before they read my confirmation of them.

Would you like me to write that an Impreza gets 55mpg, is in Insurance Group 1 and has Nil Road Tax? You need to get out more .......

festa888

my scoob is a second car daily driver is a 60 plate 1.6 HDI grand picasso so my scoob is staying

pslewis

I'm glad for you.

Remember that there are many, many, very rich people NOT driving Imprezas .... it's got nowt to do with ability to afford it - it's simply about priorities (where you want to spend your money).

Gary WRX

With the £9.5k you saved you could buy an impreza as a second car :-)

pslewis

This seems very common now.

Keeping the Scooby but having a Diesel for everyday ... it was actually an option I considered - but that would add a 5th car to my garage/driveway!

pslewis

That's true ....... and quite an appealing thought, but I'll stick with the 16 year old MX5 as my 'car for kicks'

zayd

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When you choose to buy a performance car, you do so for that exact reason. Costs for fuel, servicing, parts etc shouldn't really be the foremost concern if buying cars in this category.

If you have the financial means to run a performance car, you should be well aware that they will cost more to operate than average cars.

seraphSTI

So I think you have finally gotten through to me PSL, I'm off to my local Honda dealer tomorrow to see what the figures look like with a part-ex for my gas guzzler...

pslewis

Zayd:-

I agree - but, as you all know, the Scooby is not what it was 10 years ago when it ruled the road and everyone wanted one.

There are now better 'all round' cars out there and no-one wants a Scooby these days

They are now, without doubt, Council Estate ChavMobiles it's sad to say

pslewis

I wouldn't ..... really, I wouldn't.

Not unless you are willing to get blown away by what is on offer these days ..... as, one drive and you will be smitten - then, when you start thinking about all the money you would save on a daily basis, you will be lost and end up driving home in a Honda Diesel.

prodriverules

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I think you need to get out more then Pete
There are quite a number around that have spent more on there engine build's than your car cost whole sale which is not what i would call chav!!
If you want to see chav then take a look out your front window at your space ship themed Honda

seraphSTI

I know what is on offer and much of what you say is very true. Great economy, comfort, more and more gadgets being put into cars every day, etc etc.

But, I didn't buy my STI for any of that. The sound system and speakers are terrible, the ride on a bumpy road is far from comfortable, I only get 19 MPG, insurance is like being 18 again and my socks last longer than it's tyres. I don't give a toss about any of that because of the way driving it makes me feel. On a good road (plenty of them where I live), on a good day there really is nothing (in the price range with the same practicality) like driving an STI. OK, maybe an Evo, I considered one but I prefer the boxer engine and the Scooby looks.

As for your earlier comment about 'very little difference in driving experience', this is absolute balderdash! You cannot honestly say your Honda corners like a Subaru...If you actually believe this you clearly never actually 'drove' yours.

SRSport

Calm down, now you're getting a bit too excited, Im saying posting a thread of this nature isnt going to be putting our cars in a good light and there are many more people that visit here than just the members. In this day and age it isn't the wisest thing to do.

Funnily enough I've been wondering the same thing about the mind of someone who has nothing better to do than sit at home on the internet, reach 28,000 posts deliberately winding people up but there you go.

...actually why do you spend so much of your time doing that? It is a little strange.

I hang my head in shame for the simple reason that these words have come from someone where the above comments apply.

madscoob

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all these posts and the donkey has FAILED to mention the oil burning piles won the touring car thing loads of times before the seat leons came along hang your head in shame mr lewis , on a forenote could you or someone please post up the price difference between your car and the equivelent model petrol honda along with mpg figures as i want to prove that you would of saved money buying a petrol honda , oil burning is not all what its COOKED up to be forgive the pun

pslewis

No, they are Hobbyists ..... with a mental problem

It's good they have a hobby .... or else they would be out amongst the rest of us!

pslewis

Ha Ha Ha Ha ... there you go, grabbing on the one thing where the Scooby shines - roadholding due to AWD.

Driving experience is far more than cornering at 90MPH

It's about things like:-

Cost of Ownership
Ease of Ownership
Reliability
Performance
Equipment levels
Quietness
Refinement
Comfort

.... singling out Handling is simply daft!

pslewis

Thanks for the Touring Car mention ..... I was going to slip it in as a killer blow on page 25

No need to do any calcs. on the Honda Petrol versus the Honda Diesel ..... indeed, when you throw into the mix that Honda offered 0% Finance and 4 Years Free Servicing on their petrol models, but didn't do any such thing on their Diesels, makes the maths even more extreme.

But, as I have said many times, I didn't buy the Diesel to save money on fuel ...... it was simply a much, much, much better drive than the Petrol version!! It was far better to drive than the TypeR even!!!

Not since I took an Impreza out 12 years ago did I feel WOW!!! what a fantastic drive!!! And from a Diesel too!!!

Don't get me wrong .... I HATED Diesels, until May 2010 ..... then my eyes were opened.

seraphSTI

Cost of Ownership

Per month My STI costs me about the same as my last car which was an Audi A4 Quattro S-Line.

Ease of Ownership

What?

Reliability

So far, no problems with mine.

Performance:

Epic

Equipment levels:

Don't care. I have more than enough toys at home and at work.

Quietness:

WTF?

Refinement:

Been there, done that.

Comfort:

As above.

Road holding is not the only area the Subaru shines. Acceleration? Speed? The beautiful sound of a boxer engine?

As for driving experience, a quick google search for 'driving experience' returns a staggering array of companies where you can pay to get behind the wheel of performance cars. For some reason, these companies don't seem to offer the opportunity to drive a Honda diesel, yet many boast the Subaru Impreza! All these companies must have it all wrong!

speye91

Twelve pages,Mr Lewis would you like to purchase some Worms.You seem to be getting low.

pslewis

Ha Ha Ha Ha ..... the reason that some Driving Experience days feature Imprezas is because they are so cheap to buy!!

They offer a day where you do something you wouldn't in real life ..... it's a madness day, so - you drive a car which isn't an ownership option for you as you chose the sensible option as your daily driver.

It's like cuddling a baby and handing the damned thing back when you go home .... you think they are cute, but you don't want one in the spare room waking you up at 2am every morning!!

Steve Whitehorn

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He keeps chucking them out and they keep biting

Shaun

Pete,
I can take what you say most of the time with a pinch of salt and also agree with some of what you say...... but if you think for one moment that someone that chooses to buy a Scoob is gaining so very very little driving experience over a Honda Diesel!!

I take banter, but someone that makes such a general statement must be verging on insane. I suspect when you make statements like this you are either thick skinned, blinkered or don't give a **** and like winding others up! It's all cool with me!

Perhaps if you had spent more time using the real potential of your previous Subaru, instead of watching that you didn't go over 3k revs, you would of realised that such a car as the Scoob (not exclusive to either) provides so much more of a driving experience than a Honda Diesel.

For YOU it may be a close driving experience..... but then I doubt you would find a Porsche 911 997 TT or a Ferrari any better a driving experience than your Honda.

You make a general sweeping statement more about YOUR experiences, then actually what the masses would and do think.

You can't be that wise.... if you were you would of bought a 12 month old TDCI Mondeo. Cheaper to run than a Honda. Just as reliable and you could fit the whole of the house in the boot if you wanted to!

seraphSTI

So by that token Lamborghinis and Ferraris are also cheap. Marvellous!


Ooh, maybe they SHOULD start offering Honda diesels! There's no way way I'd ever own one but would love to have a go in one

Waking up at 2am and getting in my Scoob is actually quite enjoyable. The roads are quiet and not an old duffer pootling around in a Honda diesel in sight

mantazini

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Edited for accuracy

smokingkills

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The funniest thing about this thread is that we are debating the pros & cons of Honda derv Vs Subaru with a 70+ year old. There are young at heart 70+ year olds, but the old gent has maturity beyond his years. All credit to him for choosing a sports diesel on the mobility scheme or he could have been comparing something even more vulgar.

pslewis

Well, all I can say is that I find the experiences different ... of course ... but as for which is best? It is really too close to call - I have driven both and owned both, I have funded both and experienced both.

The Scooby stuck to the road like glue - yes.

The Honda is far more refined - yes.

The Scooby is fast - yes.

The Honda is just as fast in 'real world' driving - yes.

The Scooby is uneconomical on fuel - yes.

The Honda is extremely frugal - yes.

The Scooby is ugly - yes.

The Honda is a thing of beauty - yes.

The Scooby is tacky - yes.

The Honda is supreme quality - yes.

You make choices, as I did ....... I looked at the Impreza STi and bought a Honda Diesel - that says a lot. As you may well know I can afford pretty much any car I want, the Honda - overall - for me - was a better car to buy.

SpecDscooby

Your up late PSL.....your bag full?....have a quick smoke on your pipe while your up

Alan Jeffery

Well, Hondas are what happens when Currys start selling cars.

SpecDscooby

This is true, while i accept they do make good engines, they cant design a car. Thye mimic parts of other cars to remian "mainstream". DULL i think would be apt.

Remember Honda in Formula 1.....nor do i...lol, well i do, they had a widely respected engine in a car that was a peice of ****, so they sold the team for peanuts to Ross Brawn who bought a totally designed and built car, stuck a Merc engine in it and walked the world championship for the team and Jenson. Something one of the best funded teams in F1 could'nt do...HONDA, The Power of Dreams

Honda have enjoyed hugely successful spells in world rally.......no they have'nt, they cant think outside the box.

Shaun

I assume that when you say the "read world" you are talking about sticking to speed limits.... in that case I have to agree, as a couple of tenths of a second driving sensibly is nothing to shout about. Unfortunately the real "real world" for many is not about that in reality. Especially with a car marque like a Subaru Impreza.

Car ownership for a "petrolhead" is more than simple black and white answers. If you look at a car as a "tool" rather than an interest, hobby or being an enthusiast, you find that the chosen car choice is far from black and white.

A Honda Diesel is not an enthusiast car.... it is a tool that does a job. Plain and simple, however well it does it.

Emotion can play a huge part in buying a car for so many. The day that I compare mpg and running costs is the day I realise I have lost that emotion. Which is fine, but that is the day the car becomes just a tool to do a job. My second car has never just been about that (and I have owned a 2nd play thing for the past 20yrs).