Pakistani men see white girls as 'easy meat', claims Jack Straw
08 January 2011, 06:49 PM
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Cant see this thread not having a pad lock on it for too much longer though
08 January 2011, 06:50 PM
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That is true but I'd argue that it's more a crime of opportunity rather than being racially motivated; money buys certain things rather easily in Thailand etc.
08 January 2011, 06:51 PM
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Trooper, I cannot speak for every Islamic society, as I was born and brought up in the UK. In my experience, they do tend to be Patriarch based societies, but again that is open to debate. I know some very 'strong', patriarch figures who are completely run by their wives, but in the background.
With respect, may I suggest that you are seeing the public face? Which does not tell the whole story. Please correct me if I am wrong in this. However, I speak from direct personal experience.
What you say also applied to this country however and not too long ago either. In fact, if you look at how the sexes are paid in this country, there still appears to be a disparity of pay between the sexes, women get paid less for doing the same work, do they not?
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08 January 2011, 06:54 PM
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This doesn't have to be about Islam, we see how women are treated in the villages, tribes of Pakistan etc and it's misogyny; women being whipped for seeing the 'wrong' boyfriend, wearing wrong clothes etc, public humiliation and degradation.
08 January 2011, 06:55 PM
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Just joking of course, am in no way condoning those things, but I and every other asian friend/family member I have, don't practice them.
And please don't tell me I am in a minority unless you have some serious stats to back that up.
08 January 2011, 06:57 PM
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Agree. They have it printed in black and white and worship them words in that book daily. Islam is a terrible religion which is why im glad im an atheist. They're allowed wives all over the place, treat and talk to them like ****, so what is wrong with jack straw saying that.
Cant see this thread not having a pad lock on it for too much longer though
Cant see this thread not having a pad lock on it for too much longer though
08 January 2011, 06:58 PM
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He is selecting young Asian men. To be honest, young white men are just the same.
Why select one specific group of people when all are guilty of the same thing.
Look at all the murders, rapes etc of young wimmins over the years in this Country. They have not all been done by young Asian men.
Why select one specific group of people when all are guilty of the same thing.
Look at all the murders, rapes etc of young wimmins over the years in this Country. They have not all been done by young Asian men.
08 January 2011, 07:00 PM
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He is selecting young Asian men. To be honest, young white men are just the same.
Why select one specific group of people when all are guilty of the same thing.
Look at all the murders, rapes etc of young wimmins over the years in this Country. They have not all been done by young Asian men.
Why select one specific group of people when all are guilty of the same thing.
Look at all the murders, rapes etc of young wimmins over the years in this Country. They have not all been done by young Asian men.
08 January 2011, 07:02 PM
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Why because one has a view on ones religion. Free country pal and we say what we like hence why everyone from every nation comes here. Its a simple factual view on a religion and is a total seperate comment from racism so under what grounds can this be locked.
08 January 2011, 07:02 PM
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He is selecting young Asian men. To be honest, young white men are just the same.
Why select one specific group of people when all are guilty of the same thing.
Look at all the murders, rapes etc of young wimmins over the years in this Country. They have not all been done by young Asian men.
Why select one specific group of people when all are guilty of the same thing.
Look at all the murders, rapes etc of young wimmins over the years in this Country. They have not all been done by young Asian men.
08 January 2011, 07:05 PM
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Men are no saints but that is constantly slagged off and yet the women out on the town are just as bad and yet they are always made out to be the victims, i have repeatedly seen women grope men in public recently and this is all taken as a joke but if a man did this it is treated as assault and the man would be lucky not to get a slap from the women and if she does hit him that is seen as acceptable if the man slaps the women groping him i bet he would be in trouble.
There are double standards
There are double standards
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08 January 2011, 07:06 PM
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It may be a free country but SN has rules, so your comment doesn't apply here. If we were free to type what we like here threads wouldn't get locked would they?
08 January 2011, 07:09 PM
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You just need to go to Spain, Ibiza, even Torquay and see the young blokes pestering the life out of the young girls, to the point of what could be described as assault.
Not just Asians doing it. Straw is wrong to comment only on the Asian men
08 January 2011, 07:10 PM
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He is selecting young Asian men. To be honest, young white men are just the same.
Why select one specific group of people when all are guilty of the same thing.
Look at all the murders, rapes etc of young wimmins over the years in this Country. They have not all been done by young Asian men.
Why select one specific group of people when all are guilty of the same thing.
Look at all the murders, rapes etc of young wimmins over the years in this Country. They have not all been done by young Asian men.
This shook me when I read it in the Telegraph this morning, Re the Joanna Yeates murder;
'Figures collected in March last year showed 924 registered sex offenders living in the Avon and Somerset Police force area, of whom 310 were in Bristol'.
08 January 2011, 07:10 PM
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J4CKO, you have a point. In my opinion however, it has changed over the years. My Brother is married to a white girl, in fact I introduced them. My Mum, despite being old fashioned, has no problem with it.
I see increasing numbers of White girls/guys marrying South Asians, of all types, with a nice, easy going, get along sort of attitude.
They don't always work of course, but what type of marriages do these days?
Perhaps it has something to do with which part of the country you hail from. I suggest that oop North it is different.
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I see increasing numbers of White girls/guys marrying South Asians, of all types, with a nice, easy going, get along sort of attitude.
They don't always work of course, but what type of marriages do these days?
Perhaps it has something to do with which part of the country you hail from. I suggest that oop North it is different.
Asif
Asif, I have no issue with any of my three boys going out with or marrying an Asian girl, not all English/White people are like that I know but I am all for people who are compatible marrying regardless of background, race, religion, creed or colour, I would have no objection if any of my lads came home with an Indian, Pakistani, Chinese, Irish or whatever, even a Southerner
as long as there is no stipulation to convert to Islam, Buddhism, Cockney or whatever, if my kids aren't good enough as I provide them then look elsewhere.I think most reluctance to an English/Pakistani (or other) marriage would come from the other side, not the English one in our case.
08 January 2011, 07:13 PM
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You're the one who said it would be locked, straight after spouting some nonsense. If you can't see that there is only one direction these threads go, then you will.
It may be a free country but SN has rules, so your comment doesn't apply here. If we were free to type what we like here threads wouldn't get locked would they?
It may be a free country but SN has rules, so your comment doesn't apply here. If we were free to type what we like here threads wouldn't get locked would they?
Having opinions isnt nonsense my friend. Its called 'freedom' of speech. If it is nonsense, tell me where im wrong and i will quote direct from the quran what i believe is 'extreme'. If not just accept its only ones point of view, its not really important and swiftly move on.
08 January 2011, 07:18 PM
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He is selecting young Asian men. To be honest, young white men are just the same.
Why select one specific group of people when all are guilty of the same thing.
Look at all the murders, rapes etc of young wimmins over the years in this Country. They have not all been done by young Asian men.
Why select one specific group of people when all are guilty of the same thing.
Look at all the murders, rapes etc of young wimmins over the years in this Country. They have not all been done by young Asian men.
He is wrong for specifically mentioning asian men but that is the current affair. Yes white guys yellow guys, green guys all colour guys do it or have done it but its the asians in question so it looks as if he is targetting a specific group.
08 January 2011, 07:21 PM
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Asif, I have no issue with any of my three boys going out with or marrying an Asian girl, not all English/White people are like that I know but I am all for people who are compatible marrying regardless of background, race, religion, creed or colour, I would have no objection if any of my lads came home with an Indian, Pakistani, Chinese, Irish or whatever, even a Southerner as long as there is no stipulation to convert to Islam, Buddhism, Cockney or whatever, if my kids aren't good enough as I provide them then look elsewhere.
I think most reluctance to an English/Pakistani (or other) marriage would come from the other side, not the English one in our case.
as long as there is no stipulation to convert to Islam, Buddhism, Cockney or whatever, if my kids aren't good enough as I provide them then look elsewhere.I think most reluctance to an English/Pakistani (or other) marriage would come from the other side, not the English one in our case.
If anything I see it as a malaise from Pakistani communities in certain parts of the country, because of where they are from and their backgrounds. I have made this crystal clear on previous posts of mine on SN. This is what I was referring to, plus an extra dig at Alcazar.
Your comments on acceptance are interesting. Do you feel it was always this way? My perception is that until asians became 'cool' and 'hip', call it since 'Goodness gracious me', there was a reluctance to marry into ethnic famillies.
My very good friend from Lancashire told me her Father told her that she can marry who she wants, but no one of colour (in those sorts of words) His Mother was reported to me to be openly racist.
When I met them however, they thought I was great. The grandmother even wanted the two of us to get married!! Fancy that? So people can change their views clearly.
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08 January 2011, 07:27 PM
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Yeah everywhere has rules, some more extreme than others and islam is one faith that does take humanitarian rules to the extreme. Im not condoning anything here and not poointing fingers at specific 'races' or religions im simply speculating cultural differences and islamic views on women is terribly shocking. Ive read what they preach and in 'my'personal view its wrong.
Having opinions isnt nonsense my friend. Its called 'freedom' of speech. If it is nonsense, tell me where im wrong and i will quote direct from the quran what i believe is 'extreme'. If not just accept its only ones point of view, its not really important and swiftly move on.
Having opinions isnt nonsense my friend. Its called 'freedom' of speech. If it is nonsense, tell me where im wrong and i will quote direct from the quran what i believe is 'extreme'. If not just accept its only ones point of view, its not really important and swiftly move on.
Otherwise it is my opinion of what you have written, don't get so defensive about it.
08 January 2011, 07:29 PM
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Does marrying into 'ethnic' families not require religious conversion?
08 January 2011, 07:33 PM
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True. However, this specific 'targetting' just detracts from the very important issue. Sexual assaults are very serious, no matter where the victim or rapist is from. Serious penalties need to be given for such crimes, in part to send a clear, strong message that such acts will not be tolerated by ANYONE.
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Sorry i came across as defensive just trying to get a point across. I may be wrong may be right. Who cares
08 January 2011, 07:37 PM
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True. However, this specific 'targetting' just detracts from the very important issue. Sexual assaults are very serious, no matter where the victim or rapist is from. Serious penalties need to be given for such crimes, in part to send a clear, strong message that such acts will not be tolerated by ANYONE.
08 January 2011, 07:38 PM
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'Cover up' claims over Asian sex gangs
But in 17 court cases since 1997 where groups of men were prosecuted for grooming 11 to 16 year old girls on the street, 53 of the 56 people found guilty were Asian, 50 of them Muslim, while just three were white, The Times reported.
08 January 2011, 07:38 PM
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True. However, this specific 'targetting' just detracts from the very important issue. Sexual assaults are very serious, no matter where the victim or rapist is from. Serious penalties need to be given for such crimes, in part to send a clear, strong message that such acts will not be tolerated by ANYONE.
Totally agree, LisaAs I have already said in this thread though, these type of crimes are not just being committed by young Asians and I think Straw is totally wrong to make the assumptions and comments that he has.