Why don't you want to play?

Now away back into the kitchen there and grab a tea towels and wrap it round your head.
You'll fit right in then

 

What sort of ambitions or outlook on life do people like that actually have?

Quite literally the walking dead

 

Well, I have ended up reading it
I am very disappointed to notice Maz has decided not to post here anymore, he will be a miss.
I also find myself agreeing, once again with JT. It would help everyone to understand much better if we did have some Muslim input from someone as level headed as Maz.
I still maintain, the extremists will never get a hold in this Country, and reading the article, this milarky in the schools is already being stamped on.
I do dislike Islamism with a passion but I have a lot of time for Muslims. Does that make sense

 

Yes. I would say the same, but would modify the statement to say "I have a lot of time for people that happen to be Muslim".

 

It is a source of great regret to me that we do not have any leaders who are prepared to stop seditious teaching as well as encouragement to flaunt our own laws and ideals.

Les

 

Would you ban these schools, Les?

 

I would ban any school(s) not prepared to teach the same values as held in the UK ban any schools that teach hatred and intolerance based on faith, colour etc.

 

And how does the PM and his team do this without being branded as an Islamaphobe by his opponents and the ignorant?

 

in my view some of the customs and iconography that get bandied about on these threads and attached to Islam (the religion) are more often than not cultural

take the Burkha -- this has more to do with the deeply conservative nature of the societies (and Culture) that promote it's use than Islam

I believe Malaysia has the highest number of Muslims in the world yet I don't think women wear the Burkha in the same way as Afghanistan/Saudi etc etc

 

Panorama used to be a decently serious current affairs programme to rival Horizons scientific programmes ( also ****e now)

I think there probably is creeping muslimisation across the west , down to that ****** Bush , but (t)his progamme looks like its rubbish

 

House!

 

Interesting you seem to infer that it would only be Muslim schools.

I would send them into ALL faith schools (as i believe i mentioned) not only Muslim schools. An independent team including academics from the relevant religions as part of the teams - off the top of my head and as a starting point if you insist in putting me on the spot!

you cannot stand by and be all pc or let the race/religion card be played in circumstances such as this - We are British and this Britain. It really is un-British and against the ideology of the majority of the country to allow such thing to be taught.

 

could someone explain whats the difference between a part time religous school and draging your kid to church every week before its old enough to have a opinion of its own , cant see much difference myself BOTH VERY VERY WRONG the point is my kids are at a age where they still believe in santa and would believe me if i told them the moon was made of cheese

 

It has nothing to do with where they are taught it is WHAT they are taught that is the issue here! If teaching intolerance racism to distrust other religions and hate other because they are different was taught oin a Hindu temple or state school or catholic church it should be stopped - it simply is not right - right in this country anyway!

 

Did anybody else watch this?

 

Not that interesting, it's the topic of the programme and the thread. Still, I guess one has to offer balance. Are you aware of non-Islamic faith schools teaching anti-Western ideology, perhaps I've missed something?

 

you ilistrated my point to perfection what they are taught is religon and at that impressionable age in any shape or form is VERY WRONG

 

How else can they 'brainwash' people into believing their way is the right way and the only way and everybody else is Kuffar.

 

It's not that it's 'anti-western' ideology as such, it's the homophobia, anti-semitism, intolerance etc. We can't have kids being taught that 'The Protocols of the Elders of Zion' is true, that Jews are subhuman etc, it's totally despicable and retrograde.

 

Your attitude is a good example of why debate is generally inhibited and suppressed.

Fear.

Fear of being seen as racist, xenophobe...'islamophobe' etc.

"DON'T TALK ABOUT IT"

 

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/panorama/...mic_rules.html

 

Jtaylor hope your not getting jelous of me and gc8 having something in common lol there is somethings we agree and somethings we dont agree on most immportantly we respect each others opinions and discuss things in a constructive manner. im sure me and you will have something in common apart from bit of banter, not sure what is yet but im sure in time will know lol

in regards to ban certain members then yes i agree but only those that just leave a horrible comment with out a reason. i really dont mind muslim threads that much as long as everyone is putting there points across and discussing the right way and they dont pop up as frequent.


as far as rasicm and islam it exists due to ignorance during the days of the prophet PBUH his jewish neighbour used to throw rocks and rubbish outside the prophets house and every day the prophet used to remov it and not say anything untill one day the neighbour didnt put anything so the prophet went to the jewish neighbours house to visit him to see if he was ok and the jewish chap wasnt well but was shocked that the prohet went to check to see if he was ok.

Billal was a black slave and the prophet had to buy his life and took him and treated him as an equal.

i read on some sources that one of the prophets wifes was jewish.

if you ask an orthadox jew about muslims they will tell you that they have more than 50 thosands jews living in yeman, morroco, lebanon with out any probelms and they have lived under islamic law for centuries with out a probelm.

in regards to muslim schools well i studied in saudi and here in england and to be honest NO ONE SAYS THE WEST IS THE ENEMY other wise a lot of muslims wouldnt be here. yes it says certain things about the christian and the jews but again from my understanding thats from the times of the start of the prophet error and could be before islam was wide spread.

and its mus not maz lol

 

Isn't that what the kids are being taught at those Schools though Mus? it certainly looked that way from what I saw of it?

 

Interesting thread.

First one I have actually read on SN for ages. I used to contribute heavily to Political/Religious threads on here, but found I had much better things to do than bang my head against a brick wall all day long.

Can't see why moderate Muslims should have to explain the actions of weirdos and murderers. Should ordinary Catholics have to do this as regards the IRA? I have never heard of it.

Most Muslims are culturally 'Socially conservative' (small 'c'), therefore it does not come naturally to them to seek out publicity and try to correct the views of others. What most of them do is to sit quietly in their homes, shaking their heads slowly at what they see around them, from both 'sides' and hope that things will eventually get better.

What is wrong here is that the real issues, those which need to be discussed, are no longer talked about enough. The reason why it seems, in my opinion, is that Muslims are too scared to express themsleves on normal political matters, as that stage seemes to have been stolen by a small group of idiots and these people are the only ones listened to by the media.

The morons burning poppies for instance: any serious point that they might have had is completely ignored by the howls of protest at what they did. Anyone trying to have a discussion on those issues will be immediately tarred by the same brush as them. It's impossible.

If you want to see how to take at least 90% of the wind out of the sails of Al Qaida and so on, around the whole World, then read this.

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion...t-2139101.html

This is where the solution is. All we are doing is to deny the real problems, gloss over doing anything about them, because our politicians are in the pay of the Israeli Lobby in Westminster and try to treat the symptoms only, such as these schools.

It is only going to get worse, a lot worse.

Asif

 

i was born in saudi and went school there for 4 years when i came to england i used to attend islamic school on a sunday and so was my older brothers and yet we still have non muslim friends.

i dont know what there teaching at them schools the bbc have there way of showing certain things they dont go in to detail what period was been spken about.

how are may people ae still coming to islam if we they dont come to contact with muslims?

 

Well some Muslims have different outlooks to others I guess and don't mind integration, The first school mentioned in the documentary actually encouraged it, where as the rest were the total opposite and didnt want anything to do with us Kuffar.

 

there's different schools of thought, the ones that are really religious would properly prefer not to have there kids even mix with other Muslims. for example one of the teachers that used to teach us he had a good job and was earning decent money yet he didn't want a tv in his house as he felt the tv can influence his kids to do certain things. to be honest the only tv I watch is footie programes, sea fishing, wildlife, cooking and the odd documentaries and films as there is so much rubbish is on tele nower days. I would much rather spend the time with the mrs play ps3 walk my dog or have a few friends round or occasionally go sea fishing.

 

That is not quite true is it. You had the Jewish "Nakba" in the 1940's in response to pogroms and persecution. For example in Libya (from wiki):

There were ~750,000 Jews in Arab land in 1945, now there are ~8,600.

 

Nobody is saying that.

So why don't the moderates do something about it then? After all they are legion and the extremists just a few right???

So you think that 'Muslims against crusades' actually have a legitimate political point based on reason?

Ok here we go. Blaming everything on Israel as if Israel is the really the cause of Islamism! Glad to see you are buying into the extremist propaganda...buying their narrative.

Buying the same old tired anti-semitic demagoguery that a few Jews are especially politically powerful and conspire against everyone else.

Israel didn't create Islamism, it created itself and just USES the Israel-Palestinian conflict (yes that is PALESTINIAN NOT MUSLIM) as a justification/propoganda. Just like the left they are PARASITES on Palestinian suffering and EXPLOIT The conflict, just like your journalism Fisk does. They prolong the conflict and CAUSE suffering on both side, the get off on the drame/theatre of the whole thing as a kind of catharsis, use the imagery like ****.

Can't you see what you are doing, what anti-semitism is? It's a scapegoating. The Arab and Muslim world has been blaming it's problems on Israel for years now. Imagine that, a tiny state with a few million people, somehow oppressing over a billion!

Propaganda is made by hypocrites for idiots.