Yeah, but it's fun

 

I totally understand your point. I can't for sure say how bad the problem is.

Now forgive me for being facetious, but the prime example is the prattish comments I hear from folk in pubs (not here ) saying "send them all home" comments are so retardard it doeesn't even beg a response. If the idiot can't understand that home is the UK, because that is where they are born, then its not going to work. A better and more intellectual argument they could make would be "integrate or emmigrate".

Its always a "them and us" scienario. And the intolerance is the failure to intergrate properly into an existing society and the secular areas that transpires, instead expecting it to adapt around them. People will obviously take exception to that, and in some cases that is right - we can't bow down to the will or wishes of every cultural demand, as there would be no end to further demands, and equality will suffer for others who aren't included just as badly.

The accusation of a faith school in a western society that is claimed to reject western culture instead of embracing it and tolerating it is a prime example. The intolerance is on both sides.

 

 

Well put, Ali-b, we can be tolerant right up to the point that it's not in our national interest, at which point we must say: "enough's enough". I really hope that when Muslims get involved in these threads they can demonstrate a willingness to assimilate.

 

Yes I agree with this too.

 

Now come on, f1_fan, you're only saying that because you're on the back foot and you feel you may soften the landing by pretending it's just 'fun'. Not a particularly plausible defence. What's the device when you're pulled by a mod for implicit slurs? Oh yes, it's 'banter', isn't it?

 

+1
Nail hit squarely on the head Ali!

 

It's only not a debate because you, F1 fan, martin2005 etc refuse to participate instead you make ad hom attacks, derail the thread and generally attempt to shut down debate. I wonder why?

I am making an argument that these schools are detrimental to the idea of building a civil society and perpetuating democracy etc; they lead to division. If you have a counter argument then feel free to present it.

 

No it is not persecution, the state is not inhibiting the freedom of individuals to practice religion, only dictating the nature of education and school.

That is what the state does, dictate the education agenda....if it is right of wrong to do so is another question.

Kids would be free to be educated 'religiously' at home or out of school hours.

School is primary there to socialise people, if we want a democracy you need people from all social backgrounds to go to similar schools and mix, so they can talk to each other later in life and you don't end up with a divided sociably.

...and a non-religious school is not there to promote atheism - how did you conclude that? - it is just not there to promote a particular religion!

 

JT, as I have said several times you take this place way too seriously. I come here to relax, kick back and have some banter. If you can't get that through your head then that really is your issue. I mean no one is forcing anyone to post on SN so what other reason would we come here for other than to have fun? Serious question btw as you obviosuly have an answer given the above.

In what way I am on the back foot. I am not the one foaming at the mouth over the Islamic Invasion of Britrian. There are others who think just the way I do about your posts and there are others that don't, that's life!

One thing does surprise me about your post though. I geneuinely had no idea I was being pulled up by a moderator.

So in the interests of clarity let's be clear here.

Ali ,are you pulling me up for implicit slurs in your capacity as a moderator of Scoobynet?

Yes or No?

 

 

Good for you, if people lost sleep over what is posted here they need help Just don't make out to be hard done by when people have a go back as if you are bothered by it. Where would the internet be without contentious posters anyway?

I tell you how serious this is to me; between the last three posts I've driven down the road to drop off something at my grans. Then went to pick up a take away, the ate it. Hence the the time delay. If I ever find myself letting my tea go cold due to to typing a post on SN, then that will be the day I have to call it quits and cancel my internet subs.

 

Exactly .... and I guess that answers my subsequent question too.

 

You are right in a literal sense, but why did that woman justify Islamic schools to 'protect children from racism'?

Islam isn't the religious 'tribe' that Judaism is since anyone can 'join', but otoh you can't leave right and children are 'automatically' joined by birth etc and you 'have' to join if you marry a muslim right? So to me this makes it a weak quasi-ethnic group plus also a huge amount of Muslims in the UK are Pakistani origin so it's hard to say Islam is racially diverse in the UK. Make sense?

 

Yes, but did you "pull him up for implicit slurs in your capacity as a moderator of Scoobynet?"

 

No. I don't believe it does.

 

Well pursue it if it floats your boat

 

I can see you're relieved that Ali's off your case now so I'll leave it for you.

 

That's true but I would challenge you to find a time/place in history where immigrants into a nation with a majority indigenous group did not face some prejudice and antipathy.

On the whole though I'd say the UK was a high-water mark for tolerance - when put in perspective. Immigrants have equal rights in a democratic political system, and there is an economic system where all can participate regardless of race/religion.

You just have to look at the history of the Jews in Europe to see historical 'norms'. Expelled from nations, banned from holding land, persecuted, forced into ghettos etc etc.

 

Can you? Your world is a funny place isn't it?. Seeing things that aren't there and living in constant fear of waking up to Sharia Law. I should get some help if I were you. You clearly need a head doctor

 

Are you able to use any other expressions?

 

Awww you! I love the old 'mental health' banter, absolutely brilliant.

 

I can't remember LOL....No, I think

Somewhere in NSR someone bleated some grumblings about the "typical" users attitudes when it comes to topics relating to certain religions and the Daily Mail tags that go along with it. I may have picked up on something, but my attention span isn't great enough to remember when and where or who

But I have warned in the past for it when its gets more abusive, intolerant and anti-community (I know, intolerance of religious intolerance is a little ironic); i.e comments like "SN is a bunch of racist *****" etc. Its the wide brushed statements aimed at SN users as a whole that will likely attract mod attention. For example: https://www.scoobynet.com/non-scooby...scoobynet.html

(sorry about the delay - just had desert )

 

Fair enough and I doubt, despite my slighlty individual posting style, you will ever find me posting something like "SN are a bunch of racist *****". If I do I know what to expect

 

You are quite wrong.

Forbidding faith schools would certainly be anti religion and as such would be preventing a religion the ability to run a school to which parents might wish their children to go.

What you are promoting is that religious education should not be allowed, I wonder if you would exclude Sunday schools as well! That is religious suppression by any term and that should not be tolerated.

Most faith schools have been of a high standard as well. I agree of course that teachings against the State should not be done at any schools.

Show me where I said that a non faith school would promote atheism. Try reading what I said again.

Les

 

With the exception of the pro-Islam contributors, the likes of f1_fan and his supporters, people on here seem to agree that anti-Western schools should not be tolerated. Do you think the time has come to stop, via enforceable legislation, particular faith schools from operating (such as the one which this thread was designed to discuss) or would this be tantamount to discrimination?

 

LOL, you don't give up do you? Still waiting for your apology for the fact you were wrong about Ali yesterday. Wasn't going to mention it buit seeing as you are starting with the silly jibes again

 

See the funny thing is, on here everyone knows what Im like therefore all this Islam stuff is water of a ducks back but in the real world I guess Im tarred with the same brush and looked at as "one of them".

It will be a cold day in hell before I take s**t out in the real world for being muslim, especially as I am a law abiding citizen, thats has integrated and pays his taxes.

 

I disagree. I don't think religious education should be allowed in any Primary School and I don't think that amounts to religious suppression.

I think it should be out of parents hands that children go and study Religion in Schools at such an early age, it should be refined to the home or out of School hours should they wish to indoctrinate their children, up untill an age where they can make the decision for themselves, 3rd year (13-14 yo) secondary for example.

 

Sorry, I don't follow. Apology? Silly jibes?

Back on topic, if you don't mind, (and I really hope you don't try to muddy the waters in order to avoid answering), as a pro-Islamist, how do you feel about people who would like to see your anti-West schools legislated against? Do you see them as intolerant and reactionary, pushing a pro-West agenda which wrongly attempts to stop the growth of Islam. It would be helpful to get the views of your side of the argument.