Mohammed most popular name for new born boys in UK!
04 November 2010, 02:08 PM
#31
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Weston Super Mare, Somerset.
Posts: 14,102
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Perhaps when "Osama" is top of the charts is the time to get worried.
btw I don't think you can register "Jesus" as a name in this country.
dl
btw I don't think you can register "Jesus" as a name in this country.
dl
04 November 2010, 02:12 PM
#32
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 39,877
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
What I will not support however is a man who will use a religion or other peoples' beliefs to achieve his own selfish ambitions in a dishonest and destructive manner.
Les
04 November 2010, 10:07 PM
#33
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 10,329
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
in fact Mohammed sw was histories most influential person according to J Hart and 4 others (leading historians 4 out of the 5 being Christian) in the book the 100 most influential. And the writers said that their natural choice would have been Jesus but had to give it to Mohammad sw as Jesus was not a husband, Statesman or ruler. Just some facts written by Christian historians (note not muslim)
The Christian message was revolutionary and enabled science and later industrialism. OTOH Islam seems to have fizzled out as an introverted fatalistic creed, espousing conservatism and thus never innovating, a kind of intellectual dead-end.
Last edited by tony de wonderful; 04 November 2010 at 10:08 PM.
04 November 2010, 10:11 PM
#34
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 48,539
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
That's just great.
Next moment you will be saying that all Muslims should be slim
04 November 2010, 10:15 PM
#35
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (9)
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: .
Posts: 20,035
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Common sense posts like this will get you nowhere in SN BNP. Come on, tow the party line. Those nasty Muslims are taking over and we will all be under Sharia Law by this time next year LOL
04 November 2010, 10:47 PM
#37
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 10,329
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
04 November 2010, 10:48 PM
#39
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 10,329
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
04 November 2010, 10:51 PM
#41
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Far Corfe
Posts: 3,618
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
04 November 2010, 10:52 PM
#42
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 10,329
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
04 November 2010, 11:06 PM
#44
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (3)
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Yorkshire
Posts: 785
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
interesting facts guys. with islam yes there are extremeist that are giving the islam people a bad name come on im sure u guys have friends that are muslim how are they as people to you.. Ok these bad extreme muslims who dont know **** all are giving muslims bad name but you cant assume we are all bad im not saying you guys do
04 November 2010, 11:06 PM
#45
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Home
Posts: 14,758
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
04 November 2010, 11:14 PM
#46
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (9)
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: .
Posts: 20,035
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I will ask you two questions however.
1) What is the 'issue' you think the country has exactly? Answer in plain English please.
2) You obviously feel so strongly about whatever it is that you can't stop posting on here about it so why don't you actually do something active about it instead of repeatedly posting in a small subsection of a Japanese car forum?
04 November 2010, 11:17 PM
#47
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Home
Posts: 14,758
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
interesting facts guys. with islam yes there are extremeist that are giving the islam people a bad name come on im sure u guys have friends that are muslim how are they as people to you.. Ok these bad extreme muslims who dont know **** all are giving muslims bad name but you cant assume we are all bad im not saying you guys do
04 November 2010, 11:44 PM
#48
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Home
Posts: 14,758
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I really don't think it does so none. Thirty years ago people spent their time worrying about 'reds under the bed', today it's Muslims and in thrity years time it will be something else.
I will ask you two questions however.
1) What is the 'issue' you think the country has exactly? Answer in plain English please.
2) You obviously feel so strongly about whatever it is that you can't stop posting on here about it so why don't you actually do something active about it instead of repeatedly posting in a small subsection of a Japanese car forum?
I will ask you two questions however.
1) What is the 'issue' you think the country has exactly? Answer in plain English please.
2) You obviously feel so strongly about whatever it is that you can't stop posting on here about it so why don't you actually do something active about it instead of repeatedly posting in a small subsection of a Japanese car forum?
I act open this by challenging the status quo and by inviting people to really think about the consequences of inaction. I define inaction, at this juncture, as ignoring the 'issue' and therefor sponsoring the slow creep of an enemy to reason. I hope to, one day, speak with a Muslim that will convincingly allay my fears.
04 November 2010, 11:47 PM
#49
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 10,329
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I really don't think it does so none. Thirty years ago people spent their time worrying about 'reds under the bed', today it's Muslims and in thrity years time it will be something else.
I will ask you two questions however.
1) What is the 'issue' you think the country has exactly? Answer in plain English please.
2) You obviously feel so strongly about whatever it is that you can't stop posting on here about it so why don't you actually do something active about it instead of repeatedly posting in a small subsection of a Japanese car forum?
I will ask you two questions however.
1) What is the 'issue' you think the country has exactly? Answer in plain English please.
2) You obviously feel so strongly about whatever it is that you can't stop posting on here about it so why don't you actually do something active about it instead of repeatedly posting in a small subsection of a Japanese car forum?
I see even so called 'moderates' espousing some of the demagoguery and warped narratives of the extremist...even on this forum.
So as well as the immediate terrorist problem (a law and order one) we have a wider social problem and division.
05 November 2010, 12:03 AM
#50
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (9)
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: .
Posts: 20,035
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I think, feel and believe that the supernatural, fundementalist foundations of Islamism are in direct opposition to the free enquiry that this country and its cousins hold dear. Empirical evidence points to an exponential growth in Islam's influence and I reason that this presents a threat, in the long term, to rational humanism. This is the issue.
I act open this by challenging the status quo and by inviting people to really think about the consequences of inaction. I define inaction, at this juncture, as ignoring the 'issue' and therefor sponsoring the slow creep of an enemy to reason. I hope to, one day, speak with a Muslim that will convincingly allay my fears.
I act open this by challenging the status quo and by inviting people to really think about the consequences of inaction. I define inaction, at this juncture, as ignoring the 'issue' and therefor sponsoring the slow creep of an enemy to reason. I hope to, one day, speak with a Muslim that will convincingly allay my fears.
I know the Muslim popualtion is growing, but surely offsetting that is the fact that many Muslims are becoming more Westernised. I have a couple of Muslim friends who practice their religion within their own (self redefined) limits, but are as Britsih as I am in nearly every way. They are not popular with the more hardline Muslims at their local Mosque, but surely over time this will become more prevalent with second, third, and fouirth generation British Muslims.
05 November 2010, 12:03 AM
#51
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Home
Posts: 14,758
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I do get your position, f1_fan, a genuinely noble opposition to a percieved witchhunt. I don't even want you to publicly acknowledge my position. All I'd ask is that you look at the numbers, decide where you want this country to be in five generations hence, and assess whether you can square the two outcomes.
05 November 2010, 12:22 AM
#52
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: ....
Posts: 6,621
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Hey fella's, c'mon at least these guys feel something towards their prophet unlike many christians who are happy to slander Jesus but on the other hand say he died for our sins and is our saviour. I'm yet to see a day where the tabloids publish some proper news. And remember the reason why they are here is because we are there....isn't it?
Ah, but Jesus and his Dad aren't real - never have been.
As Prof. Hawking once said....
05 November 2010, 12:28 AM
#53
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Home
Posts: 14,758
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Thanks for the answer. I am just not convinced that the growth of Islamism is as big or bad as we are led to beleive. I think if you go looking for something you will find it and if it becomes a focus for the media and various political groups then it can seem to be everywhere as it enjoys a high profie in the political arena.
I know the Muslim popualtion is growing, but surely offsetting that is the fact that many Muslims are becoming more Westernised. I have a couple of Muslim friends who practice their religion within their own (self redefined) limits, but are as Britsih as I am in nearly every way. They are not popular with the more hardline Muslims at their local Mosque, but surely over time this will become more prevalent with second, third, and fouirth generation British Muslims.
I know the Muslim popualtion is growing, but surely offsetting that is the fact that many Muslims are becoming more Westernised. I have a couple of Muslim friends who practice their religion within their own (self redefined) limits, but are as Britsih as I am in nearly every way. They are not popular with the more hardline Muslims at their local Mosque, but surely over time this will become more prevalent with second, third, and fouirth generation British Muslims.
Whenever I've pressed Bashir and Haroon (two Afghani refugees with whom I became friends via The Prince's Trust a decade ago), they always support, unequivocally, an ideology rooted in superstition which favours totalitarianism. I simply cannot get past this. I still like them, a lot, but the foundation of their fundemental beliefs sends shivers down my spine. I guess I'm looking for convincing discourse with Muslms which assures me that secularism is accepted and understood.
05 November 2010, 12:31 AM
#54
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 10,329
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I know the Muslim popualtion is growing, but surely offsetting that is the fact that many Muslims are becoming more Westernised. I have a couple of Muslim friends who practice their religion within their own (self redefined) limits, but are as Britsih as I am in nearly every way. They are not popular with the more hardline Muslims at their local Mosque, but surely over time this will become more prevalent with second, third, and fouirth generation British Muslims.
In many cases these young muslims are 'more muslim' than their parents were.
I see loads of Burkas in Manchester these days. A few years ago zero.
05 November 2010, 11:20 AM
#55
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 48,539
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Sorry, wrote the other response without having read this, but I think it still stands. I know, and get on very well, with a number of Muslims; hospitable, civilised men. I have real problems drawing a line between my personal experiences with these guys and what I've witnessed across the country over the past year or so. It isn't these good guys at the reigns - the influence is in the hands of what I believe to be an enemy of Western culture.
Whenever I've pressed Bashir and Haroon (two Afghani refugees with whom I became friends via The Prince's Trust a decade ago), they always support, unequivocally, an ideology rooted in superstition which favours totalitarianism. I simply cannot get past this. I still like them, a lot, but the foundation of their fundemental beliefs sends shivers down my spine. I guess I'm looking for convincing discourse with Muslms which assures me that secularism is accepted and understood.
Whenever I've pressed Bashir and Haroon (two Afghani refugees with whom I became friends via The Prince's Trust a decade ago), they always support, unequivocally, an ideology rooted in superstition which favours totalitarianism. I simply cannot get past this. I still like them, a lot, but the foundation of their fundemental beliefs sends shivers down my spine. I guess I'm looking for convincing discourse with Muslms which assures me that secularism is accepted and understood.
05 November 2010, 03:24 PM
#56
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Home
Posts: 14,758
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11700795
It's not surprising that the moderates are so fearful of speaking out in this country when the savages within their own religion punish a challenge to power with death at Friday prayers. As I've stated before, your life as an 'ordinary' Muslim is thus:
You're born a Muslim - no choice.
If you try to leave (apostasy) the very best you can hope is complete and devestating ostricism or, more likely, death.
Challenge the Islamists and call for reform? See above.
Die and be invigilated eternally - Hellfire if you've committed thoughtcrimes during your Earthly submission Allah.
A Muslim can of course be in blissfull ignorance, by choice or otherwise, turn a blind eye (cowardly apologists) or join in the fun.
Religion of peace?
So how can 'ordinary' Muslims offer the reassurance that I seek when their hierachy has it all tied up?
05 November 2010, 05:15 PM
#57
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 39,877
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
interesting facts guys. with islam yes there are extremeist that are giving the islam people a bad name come on im sure u guys have friends that are muslim how are they as people to you.. Ok these bad extreme muslims who dont know **** all are giving muslims bad name but you cant assume we are all bad im not saying you guys do
Les
05 November 2010, 10:20 PM
#60
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 10,329
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
"Some reports say the target could have been a local tribal elder, whose house near the mosque was among those damaged. The elder is reported to have encouraged people to take a stand against the Taliban."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11700795
It's not surprising that the moderates are so fearful of speaking out in this country when the savages within their own religion punish a challenge to power with death at Friday prayers. As I've stated before, your life as an 'ordinary' Muslim is thus:
You're born a Muslim - no choice.
If you try to leave (apostasy) the very best you can hope is complete and devestating ostricism or, more likely, death.
Challenge the Islamists and call for reform? See above.
Die and be invigilated eternally - Hellfire if you've committed thoughtcrimes during your Earthly submission Allah.
A Muslim can of course be in blissfull ignorance, by choice or otherwise, turn a blind eye (cowardly apologists) or join in the fun.
Religion of peace?
So how can 'ordinary' Muslims offer the reassurance that I seek when their hierachy has it all tied up?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11700795
It's not surprising that the moderates are so fearful of speaking out in this country when the savages within their own religion punish a challenge to power with death at Friday prayers. As I've stated before, your life as an 'ordinary' Muslim is thus:
You're born a Muslim - no choice.
If you try to leave (apostasy) the very best you can hope is complete and devestating ostricism or, more likely, death.
Challenge the Islamists and call for reform? See above.
Die and be invigilated eternally - Hellfire if you've committed thoughtcrimes during your Earthly submission Allah.
A Muslim can of course be in blissfull ignorance, by choice or otherwise, turn a blind eye (cowardly apologists) or join in the fun.
Religion of peace?
So how can 'ordinary' Muslims offer the reassurance that I seek when their hierachy has it all tied up?