Bit like those commisioners over the water then!

Les

 

With regard to your first point, they rarely bother to vote anyway.

Les

 

Just for balance, Les, do you see any potential downsides?

 

Benefits - scrap them all. Job-seekers allowance, DLA, child benefit. No work no income, if you don't make adequate financial plans and end up out of work through redundancy, illness or injury you are on your own or sponge off friends and family.

Unemployment - as there will be no 'job seekers' allowance under Tarmac Terror's rules, those who find themselves without a job of their choosing will work in the 'compulsory sector' - this is the new voluntary sector - cleaning streets, repairing roads, raising funds for charities.

Tax - everyone will pay tax on a a consumption basis, not based on earnings potential.

Abandonment of all legislation dreamt up in Brussels. Justice will be dispatched on a simplistic basis, the punishment fits the crime. Fuzzy legislation from europe around employment, bills of rights etc, should all be hoofed into touch.

Immigration - you enter the country to work in the 'compulsory sector', you buy your own house or pay your own rent. Immigrants will have no entitlement to vote, on entry they are bound by the prevailing requirement that they conform to the law of the country (punishment fits crime), they also subject themselves to the prevailing religious viewpoint of the country.

Thank you in advance for your vote!!!!

 

I'd like to see the anti-gun laws repealed leaving our constitutional right to firearms re-instituted.

This will save the Police money because citizens would be free to defend their persons and property with said firearms.

 

Yeah the second ammendment has done so much good in the US

Why stop at firearms? Why not let people own their own artillery, and launch pre-emptive attacks on anyone they percieve to be indangering their property?

 

That is a good question, but explosive weapons do more than defend and can destroy property.

There is no reason to have a weapon for personal defense which can destroy a house.

To change a government when the ballot box fails, all that a citizenry needs are guns as well. It's important to have that back-up if the government decides to cancel democracy....then a 'democracy' of small arms can be used.

 

I have paid tax and NI for 25 + years sometimes in excess of 1k per month. Are you saying that i should not have something to fall back on being that i have paid in all my working life?

Continuing your well thought out idea lets scrap the NHS, public schools, police ambulance and fire services then and people just pay privately or out of their savings if they need them.

I am all for getting the work shy and lifestyle unemployed and baby machines into work and would happily stop or limit benefits as required but if you contribute for long enough then you have the right!

As for immigration - what you propose works well in other countries (Dubai from my own experiences) and why not here

 

Both very good ideas.

I will add one more. Brain capacity can not and will not think of two others to make upto 5!

1. Eat more fish & chips.

 

Are you suggesting the European Commissioners have censored opinion, or are that they are Stalinists?

If it is the former can you share a single example there the EU Commissioners have censored opinion in the press? I am intrigued!

 

Where in the UK would you find a constitutional right to bear arms?

 

Beneath the glittering surface, Dubai is a quasi-racist, caste society.

It's obscene.

 

Wow!! The main difference in Dubai is that they have overtly exploited emigres from developing countries to build for them, serve them and clean up after them.

Whereas in this country we despise those who do these for us!

 

Ok, so Dubais rulers and indigenous people love emigres, but they treat them as quasi-slaves?

 

You might despise them but do not judge everybody by your standards and tar everybody with the same brush.

 

Bill of Rights.

Here's the wiki page on it.

Clicky clicky

 

I was referring to their immigration - Historically (well the last 20 or so years) Immigrants have become the workforce building and designing pretty much everything. Due to the indigenous population numbers being low and most of them uneducated camel farmers or fishermen. Things have changed a little but with the wealth comes the ability to employ people to do what you want when you want.

The workforce is generally Pakistani and/or Indian labourers - mostly straight out of the fields and slums who go their to earn enough to keep their families back home. The rest of the workforce the managers are western or in some cases Filipino although the ''pinoi' tend to be the more technically minded and a level up from the labourers.



The labourers are treated as little more than cattle and live in what can only be described as labour camps out of town away from the main routes (you might say hidden from view).

No westerner can 100% own a business there an Arab 'silent partner' owns 51% of the businesses if not more.

Having worked there for a year as Operations Director for a media company i do know a little about how it works


Ok then my point is that if you are an immigrant (as i was) and you have a job then you are welcome you need to have your own medical cover etc and pay your own way. If you loose your job/employment then you leave no chance to stay, no benefits as you are not originally from the Emirate which seems sensible and fair to me. They do have a welfare state for those who where born there and them only.

 

So one group of people are entitled to a life of indolent luxury and special rights, whilst the other groups toil for, and can never be in the privileged group?

Fan of apartheid were you?

 

So the Arabs born and bread in this country employ others to do their bidding because they can afford to and want to. that's apartheid is it?

I lived in two/three different properties whilst in Dubai one building complex which had western, Arab and Asian occupants going about their daily business we shared communal facilities such as parking shops and pools. No segregation no no-go areas - hardly the definition of apartheid again is it!

They did not invade enslave or force it is purely a financial transaction.
Labour for cash and like most in business you pay what you can get away with not necessarily what people are worth.

The Indian and Pakistani workforce (generally) who came from the fields and slums where not educated nor had any skills except being hard working and able to work hard in the heat. This is not down to the Arabs more a poor education system and a lack of work back at home. A lot did not speak English or could read or write - not good office material or management.

Yup some unscrupulous people treat some of the workforce badly - a bit like the gang masters here - the government and ruling family seemed to take a dim view of this

They do not make them come they come though necessity and because they have the chance to earn money to keep their families alive it may not be perfect but is is a fact of life.

Just to spell it out for you as you seem a little hard of thinking.
The rich (be it companies or individuals) employ the less rich to do the things they need them to, things they cannot or will not do themselves (for whatever reasons. That's why you and i and a few billion other people have jobs!

 

Hmmm it's the economic elements of apartheid, don't be obtuse. Just 'cos the lower caste are free to leave (which is debatable) does not make it just.

If foreigners are uneducated and unskilled why don't the locals allow a full meritocracy with equal rights and citizenship. What do they have to fear?

You can employ someone to work for you in a democracy but they are still a citizen with equal rights, why don't Dubai do this?

Dubai carries on like a medieval state with a privileged racial aristocracy at the top of the economic order, instead of feudal farms they preside over malls and property. Like euro aristocracy they will go down since Capitalism requires productive forces to be freed up and tears up old economic arrangements.

 

'financial economics of apartheid' - LoL! Maybe if you say it enough people might think it means something - do you not mean capitalism and simple economics?


Paying people what you can get away with not necessarily what they are worth or want. This labour force is largely uneducated and unable to find work at home and given a choice between them and their family literally starving to death they go elsewhere - in this case to a country which has the work and is happy to pay for it. As a said simple economics isn't it.

As for immigrants gaining citizenship - apart form why would anyone choose to live there, it is a sovereign emirate ruled by a royal family is their country their rules they choose not to want this workforce to become citizens then that is their choice and their right to do so.

It is not an ideal world and why shouldn't a country have a say and choice in who it decides are to be citizens - unlike the UK dictated to by Europe and i wish we had some control over our own immigration!

The workforce are fully aware of the rules and conditions and yet they still choose to go - for the money the same reason 99% of the worlds workforce work not thought choice but to earn and pay their way or their short or long-term financial security.

Dubai is not perfect by a long shot at least they have the guts to do what is best for themselves first.

 

Legalise:
24 hour drinking - now the second world wars over it seems to make sense.
Gambling - lets have some fun while we're drinking.
Make anyone that earns over £44K (that's me) pay for private medical insurance and rebate me half of the NI cost.
Increase the speed on motorways to 100 MPH.
Brothels - why not? works well in Holland.

DCI - vote for me

 

You are too funny...


...oh, wait...

 

Good link but the Bill of Rights does not constitute a constitution as the construct of English law is that the current law passed by Parliament enshrines common law.

So there may have been historic rights but I would question that they were constitutional in the same manner they would be in the US.

 

What our Daily Mail reader seems to miss is that as a Western worker in Dubai he was not an immigrant worker in the way he describes, he was a guest of the elite. He is deluded to think he is one of the toiling workers

 

Westerners occupy a class between the local elites and 3rd worldies.

 

Thank god the self-proclaimed SN know-it-all is here to put everybody right with his wisdom and wise words

Perhaps you should stop believing all you read in the Guardian or hear from the deputy head over a crisp glass of château colostomy at a dinner party for the chattering classes

In Dubai the non indigenous workforce are all guests everybody needs to get a visa to stay renewable on a yearly basis. Not everybody lives in the work camps like in real life (not Trout's ivory towers) or better accommodation if they can afford to - just like pretty much everywhere else in the world. just like everywhere else there is exploitation of the workforce - usually at the lower end. Everybody uses the same airports and ****s in the same toilets. Everybody is free to wander the streets use the parks and facilities when they want to.

There will always be an elite - it is called the Dubai royal family some 400 or so of the sheik's closest family.

Whilst i was there several westerners where jailed for possession of drugs and given harsh sentences for their crimes and a Arab doctor was given a more severe punishment for D/D than say a muslim labourer because he should have known better given his standing in the community! Hardly two sets of rules favouring the better off!

Really i do not care what you thin of the place i admire any country that stands up for its own people first and foremost - nothing wrong with that whatsoever.

 

2nd class then

By local elites do you mean the whole indigenous population or just the ones with literally tons of money?

Dubai is a lot like everywhere else in the world Tony i know it may be a shocker but if you do have loads and loads of cash you can have a wealthier lifestyle and mix with others who also have loads and loads of money and pay those with less money and or need work to do the work for you.

It is how the world goes around - if this is news to you then perhaps you should open your eyes a little wider and take a look around!

 

So on what basis are you justifying this elite status of the citizens then?

 

You can do the same in London or Paris but the 3rd world labourer can become a citizen and have equal rights though law, if he/she is smart and capable he/she can become a billionaire elite. Elite status is not dictated by race, ethnic group etc. Meritocracy is the only defensible way fwd.