Out of interest they quote "using 97ron fuel" - they dont say 97 or higher, does that mean they would claim wrong fuel used for using shell Optimax (98ron) or Tesco Momentum (99ron) ?

 

What a complete load of old shyte

However - at least they released some sort of communication on the topic
Keep the thing rolling lads, never know - we might even get a result

 

i have been advised by the dealer that i bought both of my scoobs from to always run on v power that was 55 plate wrx with ppp and 57 plate sti with ppp and now a new short engine under warranty a month ago i have never ever used anything less

 

Well if it's not the fuel that caused the failure you must have done something else wrong

 

We need more momentum

 

such as its been serviced twice before i owned it 6000 miles 1st year and 9100 miles 2nd year i bought it in april this year warmed it up cooled it down always used v power as advised and used in my old scooby monitored oil level weekly any top ups which were few and far between was 10 40 semi synthetic and was ready to book in for its 3rd year service in september when at end of july with just 12200 miles the bottom end went.... what more can u be expected to do ...... not use the car

 

Did you just go directly to I.M and obtain this info?

 

Its a generic report:

http://www.ms-motor-service.com/cont...chueren&cls=02

Just who are MSI?

 

I exchanged correspondence with I.M and the info came directly from there M.D.

 

or directly from his is pa ... who copy and pasted it by the looks of things...

Tossers...the lot of them... make me laugh at the "customer care" they pretend to hold dear...

 

I will vote with my feet. Subaru won't get my next order as they simply don't deserve it. The Hatch remains a very good all round car. The cloud that hangs over them is down to one thing and that is Subaru's failure to come clean, nip it in the bud and look after there customers.


This subject has a lot of mileage in it yet.

 

Mrfastbaz could subaru tell you why the bottom end of your car went? mines same car as yours but without the ppp and totally standard. all these so called probs that can happen to our 2.5 worries me a little. but no probs yet and still have 8 months left on the warranty.....but its after that period im worried about! do you think they would honnor you fix of an engine fault, im not sure

 

Vote with your feet and desert the dealerships.

Subaru UK and their 'dealers' are the worst shower I have ever dealt with.

I will never buy new Subaru number 5, I stopped at 4 and never looked back.

 

unfortunately no i bought the car when it had done 9000 miles in april this year although it had receipts and 2 service stamps in the book who knows how it wqas treted from new...may have been thrashed from day one... have now run the new engine in had a oil change after 1200 miles and do not rev over 6000 ish now done about 1500 miles on the new engine so far so good apparently the dealer recommends 5-30 magnatec oil for the 2.5 engine so have bought a litre just in case it needs topping up showed me a service bulletin recommending 5-30 oil i have still got till april next year with my warranty then may take out a new warranty costs about 400 notes covers the same as the one i have now

 

if us scooby owners want to push our engines to the max and mab even run nitros gas then we should be aware that in doing so could crack the crank shaft,or indeed blow the rings of there seats. to my knowledge i have had 2 timming belts slip under heavy strain from racing, and one plug that gave up after,causing bad miss. but generally have to say the units are very tough,as long as they are not red lined and oils good with good pump pressure, we do the turbo thing at our own risk,this is the time its going to go bang. if u have the money ok, if not dont turbo it ,make it a rare activity. and check your rear mirror!! love the thrill but goto say im thinking of turning mine into standard impreza, petrols getting silly,plus safety,might put standard airbox back and return to full cat system and ditch the hks valve. torque and bhp is great but police arent very kind if u get caught doing 90 in a 30...... im getting old - must be.

 

I wouldn't say they are poorly designed. Just they are made to the limits of the specification criteria. In other words there is little overhead room for modification or operation outside the expected usage parameters (i.e not what would be considered normal road use, including our speed limits ). The strive for better MPG and tax bands in which the UK is obsessed with doesn't help.

The oils and combined service regimes also play part and parcel - to give customer value for money they extend them and only specify a cheap semi-synthetic oil. When maybe it should be 6month changes like that stipulated with older UK spec Imprezas? (which inccidentally have less BHP). If the vehicle is used hard, its service regime must be changed to suit...SUbaru UK would do better for its customers if they pointed this out (although admitting that would imply fault on their behalf). The service regime on Misuibushi EVO 9 FQs is a good comparable here.

I'm also dismayed at the point made on 97Ron fuel, but in a different way: This appear to be an admission that they have ommited to program the engine's fueling/ignition to allow for any fail-safe for a substandard batch fuel. Unlike UK classics, which were happy as larry on 95Ron.

In contrast VAG and BMW all have engine capeable of running on 95Ron and state safe use in the operator's manuals.

 

Looks like owners will need to keep petrol reciepts as proof of fuel grade.

 

As time goes by, the situation with these cars is getting better and better.
They are becoming cheaper to buy, no warranty to faff over, and the tuning possibilities are on the up. Race Rom is now a reality, and we're on the case.
We are dealing with the engine issues, and all of you who like to have high performance versions of whatever car you own are in for a treat.
Once you've driven a 450 bhp version, you'll be hooked.

 

Alan, where are these cheap hatches of which you speak, STi's on Auto Trader are up for similar money to a good Evo IX.

 

Well, inevitably as time passes, they are going to get cheaper, unless a miracle is taking place. I really like the Evo 9, but a tuned Hatch is going to be very attractive up against one.
Try one, you'll like it!

 

Sounds like BS to me ... there's a huge thread on here where drivers of standard hatches have had no end of problems. They've used cheap materials, end of

TX.

 

I did test drive a hatch when they first came out, enjoyed the drive except for the steering which required a leap of faith when turning in at speed due to zero feedback, apparently that can be resolved now.

I would consider one as a project at the right price.

 

That's my point re the pricing second hand, the EVO was about 10k more new and did not blow up after a couple of thousand miles, therefore second hand hatches that have not had stronger engines fitted should be much cheaper than those I see listed.

 

The market will dictate at the end of the day, I'm just aware that the car is a peach when it's sorted out. Bear in mind of course that we are car modifiers, I'm not the slightest bit interested in stock versions, apart from servicing the odd one.
As I said, I like the Evo 9's I drive, but they aren't standard either, not by the time we've finished!

 

where customers are prepared to modify and/or operate their vehicles outside the design parameters, this will invalidate our warranty agreement because it can be expected that failures will occur through no fault of Fuji Heavy Industries or Subaru (UK) in regard to faulty manufacture or improper design, always remembering that the 08/09 STI is designed to be completely reliable at around 300 BHP (and 330 BHP for the STI 330S)

so why are Subaru taking the engine beyond design limits when the PPP is fitted?

WTF?

 

I especially like the Subaru UK statement about grey imports!!! They must be making better cars for the UK market like PS Lewis always said!
Bugger, anyone want a cheap modded Type R

 

Exactly what I was thinking!

I'm talking 2.5 2007 STi (so hawkeye) and given this statement wondering, why would subaru have been willing to warranty ppp installations? And what about the RB320? I don't believe the 2.5 unit in it had any major modifications to pistons etc?

 

And drunk or bonged off your face!

What the **** are you on about? Have you read the thread at all?

The engine failures have not been down to excessive anything or running nitrous. The STi's have turbo's as standard

And 90 in a 30 is for complete pr*%ks anyway.

 

I couldn't have put that any better to be honest. Not after the other night.
We started in the "Tally Ho" then we went to the "Monk's Retreat" an after that it wuz the "PP Pig and WWWHistle" an them we sorta dribbled home dowm they there lannes wiv cider all over....

 

I am losing track fast here

Subaru's statement raises as many questions as it answers IMO. I for one don't trust what they say anymore.

Far too many contradictions and a lot of nonsense splurted out through I.M over recent times. They are paying the price though, which does offer some satisfaction