hodgy0_2

so rough calcs

that's = 14 Gallons, but you would start to look for a garage with about 2 to 3 gallons left in the tank (much more on the continent where garages can easily be 50 miles apart)

so the usuable touring range is 11 gallons - and at 22mpg is under 250 miles

mmmm not sure I would agree with the GT nomenclature on the car

pressing on to the south of France, or the Alps (when you could easily get less than 22mpg) means a lot of stops

another strong reason for diesel

Trout

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What? A diesel GT3?

I think that

a) a 200-250 range for a sports car is not such a bad thing

b) it is probably better than at least half the Scoobs on this Scoob board that have a slightly smaller tank

c) and as John McEnroe would say - you cannot be serious?!

hodgy0_2

i'm not being that serious -- although I still think that 250 miles is almost unusable for a serious Gran Turismo car (and Porsche arn't the only culprits)

Although I appreciate the GT tag is overused on cars these days

sonu

Re: SMG gearboxes on //M cars.

These cars are considered manual by BMW and not auto and therefore should be driven as manuals. As Dingdongler has stated, it's all about getting it in the right gear for the speed...

Fangoria

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Tony
Yep - I never used to care about Warranties on Scoobs but maybe with the cost of a gearbox nearly costing as much as a 1 year old Scooby I should do!

Y pipe alone is fine for warranty - the dealer told me....

skeeter

If you go into the i-drive menu for the M mode you will see the gearbox settings, allowing you to select the overall setting, Sport (S) being one of them

What I meant was S for sport and 3 as in 3 bars on the gearbox setting -hence S3.

Not quite sure why you dont understand this

S

Matteeboy

I found the 250 mile range on my far far "lesser" Golf R32 a right PITA. No one likes constant stops at crummy fuel stations and they really slow you down. I can imagine over a long distance (e.g. Alpe d'Huez to Calais) a much lesser but more frugal car will make serious progress over a much quicker car.

I remember doing that trip in a Saxo VTR which did almost 40mpg but had a little tank (350ish miles per tank). The car got stuck in ice and had to be pushed out by me. So we had a very short amount of time to catch our ferry in Calais. It was a 9 hour non stop mission with me fuelling while Mrs Matt paid for it just as I finished. We made it by half an hour but those stops were the most annoying time delay of the trip. An uber car like an M5/GT3 would need a lot more stops.

Say each stop is 20 mins including slowing down, fuelling, paying then getting back up to speed - over a 1000 mile trip these sub 250 mile cars are having to stop a lot more than 4-500 mile a tank diesel/frugal car. Twice as much - that's an 40 mins lost over the lesser car. Kind of blunts the continent cruising credentials a bit.

typeRv4

I see Porsche adding diesel to the entire range to meet Euro fuel economy averages

After all sports cars are now a sideline business vs SUV's....

Trout

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Remember that cruising on the motorway the GT3 does at least 28mpg even at 80-90mph. So a theoretical range of just under 400 miles. It is not like an Evo, small tank AND very low mpg!

Also the UK GT3 is a freak - the Euro cars have an 89l tank so a range of 560 miles at cruising speeds - truly GT as you say

SPEN555

R u really this person in the vid? You are pmsl!

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/6863749/

Matteeboy

Yes yes Spen that is of course me with a Yank accent... Been done before though.

Trout - that's not bad. I was thinking more of cars like the M5/6 that have completely dire mpg but IMO are "GT" style cars.

Trout

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And the GT3 is not a Gran Turismo car anyway - that is the 911 Turbo.

It is only called GT3 as that is a race classification

Trout

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Interesting editorial in 'evo' this month as Chris Harris argues that paddle shifting, double clutch gearboxes are the end of involving driving and should not feature on truly interactive cars. David Vivian also talks about different experiences that can be tuned into the same chassis with fundamentally different results (911).

Certainly interesting in the context of this thread.

john banks

I don't get this uninvolving thing, with only ECU tuning a GTR even in auto mode in the dry keeps you busy thinking about traction, yaw, observation to the point that I'm rather glad not to have to worry about changing gear, everything happens too fast. A year later it still feels too fast.

sonu

Agreed. Paddle shifts can be immense fun if driven correctly.

Trout

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I felt it was an interesting read and the two articles together do bring another point of view.

He certainly had no qualms about the GTR in particular being very fast. But his point was if driving was merely hanging on to a very fast car (which you imply in your response John) then something has been lost along the way, which to an extent you have underlined.

The main point is that something that was slower but more interactive was more rewarding, in his opinion. And one that I have sympathy with.

Fangoria

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Trout
Are you a luddite? ;-)

Ultimately many cars will go this way... its just technological progress...
It will all be irrelevant anyway once we get all those black boxes in our cars monitoring where we go and making sure we keep to the speed limits - in fact give it 20 years and cars will be driving themselves

banny sti

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Going by that pov we should get rid of power steering, abs and other such driving aids to give the "most" interactive driving experience........

Jimpreza

Engines are over rated also.

http://www.streetfire.net/video/flin...car_166109.htm

Trout

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And your point is

Of course I am a Luddite. I own a car where the electronic interference is limited to the ignition mapping and ABS and that is about it!

No traction control, no electronic diffs, no yawn control, no autobox, no paddles, no electronic suspension adjustment...

Oh, it does have electric windows

Trout

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And that is why some people will buy Caterhams and old 911s rather than even contemplate getting a GTR

banny sti

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Only have power steering and leccy windows on mine

Banny

Matteeboy

Saw another yesterday - I just cannot get my head around their sheer bulk - weight and size is insane.

I'd like a 911. Have no desire to have a GTR at all although I'd like to test one at some stage.

Matteeboy

Double post - thanks SN...

Trout

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Did you see it twice?

Matteeboy

Flipping SN double posting cr4p!

Trout

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Of course one day I will end up buying a GTR - just needed to get all of this stuff out of my system before I take the leap!

Red I reckon

dghktrjood

My wife's only 5' 2" so with her in the front and my daughter (8 but size of an 11 year old) behind her and my lad (nearly 5 and the size of a nearly 5 year old) behind me it's ok.
I'm a little cramped but not uncomfortably so.

nike air ninja
foot loocker ninja

tony de wonderful

You could say that for people who play guitars with strings vs synthesizers.

If the object is to go as fast as possible around a track then get a computer to drive.

john banks

There main objective with the GTR:

Benchmark against 997.1 Turbo which it does or exceeds in terms of lap times, acceleration, braking, cornering, handling, residuals, value for money, but falls short on service intervals, ride comfort and cooling.

The only difference in terms of computer control of the chassis compared to many other modern cars is an active centre diff, and you will find similar active diffs in many M, RS and Porsche. Having driven them all the GTR feels no more or less computerized and has just the right amount of feedback.

99% of the time I am in comfort mode, auto mode, and listening to radio 4, and although the ride can be firm, passengers say it is more comfortable than many of my previous cars and I can drive it all day and feel fresh. I can also hear people on the Bluetooth at any speed. It also has a quality feel in normal use and quite a character when you get to know it. The rear torque bias can be quite a challenge given how routine 600lbft is now.

Of course, to an onlooker rather than a participant it is all easy, much like being a GP.

It is a bit of a reverse tardis and the servicing is frequent, but they are minor complaints relative to what else it does.