Where have you been for the last 3 years? My skin's so think if I really was an Apple the man from Del Monte would say no.

"Success makes so many people hate you. I wish it wasn't that way. It would be wonderful to enjoy success without seeing envy in the eyes of those around you."
— Marilyn Monroe

 

Apple have posted some pages

http://www.apple.com/antenna/

 

Quote from the above link:

"Apple’s Antenna Design and Test Labs
Apple has invested more than $100 million building its advanced antenna design and test labs. Our engineers have logged thousands of hours designing and testing iPhone 4 in these state-of-the-art facilities. Get a look inside our labs."

So why didn't Apple sort out the antenna design with that fancy dandy test lab in the first place?

If they had then imagine the crowing from Apple (and Jack) on how they had minimised signal loss compared to their competitors?

A rather desperate but of spin that doesn't help the situation IMHO.

 

Butty, has it not dawned on you yet that there is no problem as such. Grip any smart phone in a certain way and the signal will drop, fact of life.

Take some time to read on here the quotes from happy owners, the only negative quotes are from people who don't own the phone, bizarre but true.

 

Exactly. The vast majority of people won't hold a phone that way when making a call and therefore it's a non issue on the iPhone, blackberry, or any other phone for that matter.

It's only an issue with Apple because Apple bashing seems to be high on some peoples agendas.

 

But its not any smartphone, its 3 others from Manufacturers that make loads of phones compared to all the phones the Apple make. I am not surprised as Apple are a Computer company, trying to get into the mobile world by using their very good design (cant argue about the look of the phone) so dont expect them to get it right. Bit like Motorola making laptops, Im sure they would be rubbish.

I fully expect that in their leading technology labs they did pick up the issues with the phone. But it was all too late to stop the Apple train from putting it on the shelves. Same with evey large technology company, demand outways quality.

 

I've just been trying grip techniques on my Touch HD and sure enough I get signal drop out (from HSDPA down to lowly 3G).
Quite how I would make a phone call with the grip I used is beyond me though.
A "normal" grip sees no signal loss.
Funnily enough, HTC make it very clear in the phone manual that masking the area I've just covered, will lead to hand frying increases in power use/ lower battery life with signal attenuation.

Is there a similar statement in the Apple manual? If there is then I'm happy to take back all my negativity and suggest that owners who brought up the issue in the first place have themselves to blame for causing all this fuss.

 

I've just been trying grip techniques on my Touch HD and sure enough I get signal drop out (from HSDPA down to lowly 3G).
Quite how I would make a phone call with the grip I used is beyond me though.
A "normal" grip sees no signal loss.
Funnily enough, HTC make it very clear in the phone manual that masking the area I've just covered, will lead to hand frying increases in power use/ lower battery life with signal attenuation.

Is there a similar statement in the Apple manual? If there is then I'm happy to take back all my negativity and suggest that owners who brought up the issue in the first place have themselves to blame for causing all this fuss.

 

Oakers, please do a little research. It's not just three smartphones, it's practically all smartphones. As for Apple "trying" to get into the mobile world, do you seriously believe that they're just trying? I now see more iPhones than Blackberry's and RIM have a huge market share. Apple have changed the smartphone market, there are no smartphones released that don't in some way emulate the iPhone, fact. Now that's not a smug boast, it's a benefit to all of us, Apple user or not.

 

I doubt that there is a manual, but try to remember this alleged quote that caused such outrage. "Hold Differently"

 

I'll take your word on that as I'm a trusting bloke and cba to go reading the latest PR drivle from Apple.

Although if its only practically all, which ones dont? as Im sure a good PR campain from them should be in order.

 

I keep reading this and keep pointing out that the first time I heard of the signal issue was from Disciple SwissTony.... defend it all you like, but don't tell us the issue is only in the mind of the faithless

 

All joking aside, What are apple going to do? The problem is not short term

but long.

Less than one month into the launch of there latest model, there forced to

release a hardware fix.

What are they going to? do they leave the bumper as the long term fix

until the next model comes out? With all the world pointing out its flaws,

or do they bring out a fixed model effectively killing the V4?

I cant see apple leaving the flawed version on sale with all the media

coverage it,s generated. Or is it the case of any publicity is good publicity

bet the apple boardroom is an interesting place at the mo.


mart

 

If the antenna positioning on the case is such that the capacitance from one's hand de-tunes the antenna then the received signal will reduce of course. Apple admit that the indicated signal loss is due to that exactly. It shows a basic design fault in the positioning of the antenna in the casing. That can only be put right by a re-design. Different software could only change the sensitivity of the signal strength indicator so that a weak received signal could be made to look stronger-not much practical use of course. The software cannot deal with the design fault in the antenna postioning. Big error when you think about it!

Les

 

Mart, Steve jobs answered your question himself, "Apple can't change the laws of Physics" all phones suffer from signal loss when held in a certain way, fact. Apple haven't provided a hardware fix, they've provided a case as a gift. The phone works just fine without it, a little better with. Now ask all the other manufacturer what they are going to do, the answer is of course nothing. So, how are Apple the bad guys here? The media created "Antennagate" and Apple responded in their usual open and honest manner that as a customer I've grown accustomed to and benefitted from.

 

I have thought of the answer!

Radio Hams often go around the place with a 144-6 Mhz pocket transceiver to be able to contact each other.

The best I have seen yet is a couple of blokes walking around a Radio Rally(meet-up) with a mike in their hands,a pair of headphones on, the radio in their pockets, and a vertical antenna strapped to the tops of their heads!!!

The rest of us all at the Rally were killing ourselves!

Les

 

I,ll give you this Jack , your devotion is admirable , but the Rose tints have affected you big time. Ask mercedes with the A class flaw what they did , Audi with the TT flaw. A gift , I don't think so. Both installed gifts as you call them , to fix the design flaws. And yes they would still work without them lol

Even in the face of overwhelming data you

still refuse to accept anything is wrong.

Prhaps you should read Steves statement again.

"Our phone's not perfect", says just that, no matter which way you want to spin it

Mart

 

It can't be perfect because apparently of the 3 million phones that they've sold .55% of customers have complained about the signal issue.

Coming from a 3G to the 4, the old phone is totally blown away by the new one in every aspect. I personally don't suffer from the signal issue either with or without a case being fitted, and i've always used a case on my phones to protect them.

 

Don't let Mart read that, he'll have nothing to whine about, why he's whining when he doesn't even own an iPhone I'll never understand, but each to their own.

 

Like the media, scoobynet it seems, is no different in the way posters on here, blow everything out of proportion.

Scoobynet (NSR) has become, for me, a glorified second hand news reporting service with badly quoted snippets and articles. Almost cut and paste journalism if you like, with the most 'alarming' and 'news worthy' threads jumped on with an almost feverish speculation. What ever happened to the days when people could read the stories, digest the news, discuss topics in an open and friendly manner and make an informed choice ?

Honestly, you would think this forum was populated by Daily Star readers who lap up the latest 'gossip' and then pass it on in a manner of a Pub in Fleet street filled with old newspaper hacks.

Most popular topic of the moment is Apple. A company that was once nearly bankrupt and all but dead and buried. A reversal of fortune has seen this company grow from virtually nothing into one of the most feted and high profile tech companies in modern history.

For the majority of you lot on here (who are not life long Apple users ), that is no big news because until more recently, you were not affected by their advertising, their products or indeed their whole company ethos.

For all those long time users of Apple products, you all know exactly how at times it is both frustrating and exciting to be a user of a niche market share company's offerings. Anyway I digress.

Then the launch of the iMac, followed by the iPod, iPhone and finally the iPad happened and suddenly Apple is once again a big player in the Consumer world. The average man in the street cant escape the advertising that they produce and it has thrust the company firmly into the limelight.
Apple has produced, without doubt, one of the most prolific and successful, continuous streaks of captivating winning products for years.

Try and think of any other company that has done the same in the last 5-7 years.

And suddenly Apple is the one company to hate, the one that people would to see have a fall, for whatever reason but certainly fuelled by the media.

Then along comes their most recent and by far the most popular product they have ever sold to date. And it has a flaw.

In all the reporting (not on here ), you would think that this flaw is a deal breaker, a disaster over looked by one of the most design conscious companies going. Yet when prompted to provide an explanation and fix within 3 weeks , the company has responded. To put this in perspective, when Toyota was alerted to the flaw in their car design, how long did it take before the recall/flaw was addressed ? And remember this was a 'life threatening' design flaw not one that is best described as inconvenient.

Now, whilst their explanation and fix may not sit well with the small % of users affected by this, it certainly goes a long way in addressing the problem. And they are not alone in having this problem, as widely reported by many sources.
I could quote several websites , but I am sure most of you have read them already.

At the end of the day, I think the best way for the consumers out there and the forum users on here to make a well informed choice is to do this.

Read the reports, chat to your knowledgable friends, test drive and trial your chosen products and if it does what you need, then buy it. If it does not or is faulty, then simply take it back.

That would be refreshing.

 

Swiss, we may have had our differences over the iPhone, but I am man enough to say that your post above is one of the best I have read for a very long time.

I agree with just about all you have written and would only add that the only reason I ever repeatedly posted about my specific iPhone 3Gs issue was because someone on here (not you) told me over and over I was wrong when I knew I was right.... a fact backed up eventually by mutterings form Apple themselves as well as others more technical than I.

I will admit that I did get to enjoy the baiting, but only because just sometimes some Apple followers come across a little bit pompous... but even I have tried to stay out of it recently. Mostly

 

Have you read devildogs post in computer related? It may help you sorting the issues you have with the new ios4 firmware

 

Thanks, but I don't have any issues with the ios4 firmware as I sold the 3Gs a couple of months back now and for now am just back using my Nokia 6300 - went all round Indonesia for 3 weeks needing just one charge and never dropped or missed a call once - that is what I need from a phone right now - the other stuff can wait.

 

Don't see why anyone should hammer Apple particularly. They have as Swiss said had many successes and I seem to remember that they were the first to produce a usable and reliable GUI.

Its a pity about the aerial and it's susceptibility to the detuning when it is held in the hand. As someone said, they all do that but it seems to be worse in this instance.

I imagine all the attacks are based as ever on the media and others taking advantage of the problem for their own purposes. It is a pity it happens but if the plastic casing sorts it then surely that is the way to go. It has to be admitted it is a design error.

Les

 

Well thank you very much, I am glad you liked the post
Apologies for the seemly hostile posts I have pointed in your direction before, they were not meant to be like that. Some of it was down to the fact that, whilst I am a mac fan, I dont have a blinkered approach to the company.
Anyway if you must know, I could see your point about the signal issue and it was quite apparent that it was down to to your handset, frustrating isnt it when you cant get your point across

 

I think the thing with Apple is that they have some really good innovations, ok look at the Iphone, its not a good phone, it requires a high concentration of cells to get the best out of it, has a poor range considering the price, its battery life is bad, things like the camera as (still) pretty poor, BUT it as a Multimedia handset (there are no phones any more, all handsets now) its a breakthrough due to the way it works and functions.
Its not a masterpiece as it doesnt do the basics well, but all handsets will take up this design or something similar eventually.

Then you have the Ipad, also a great innovation, also flawed to hell, it misses several key parts, no decent grip, no usb port etc, so its more of a good gadget, just not as practical as it should be (lets give it 12 months and see what Ipad 2 does )

The Mac has taken a long time to get to where it is, with the PC being so cheap to build it took alot away from the Mac, though now its come of age and is fighting back, as Tony said, not bad for a company that came back from the brink a few years back
but their software could do with being tested better

Tony

 

The Southern Regional meet of Apple Fanboyz were seen at the weekend getting their noses into the new App. to make their phones work like phones rather than fancy paperweights .........

http://www.nikisawyer.com/sheep/imag..._in_a_line.jpg

 

Whist I can't agree with the negative portions of your post you have highlighted a true benefit of Apple products. The products you mention should be enough for anyone's computing needs, work and play, and are all designed from the ground up to work together, all supported by the same company.

Let's say I live in a world with no Apple. I'd buy
HTC desire - it's not the best but it's popular - might get updates - and Android is OK.
A Lenovo desktop with Windows 7 - my last desktop was an IBM, industrial but good.
A Vaio Laptop - my last one was good, if a bit short lived and a bit bling.
I'll leave off the iPad as I don't have one myself and there are no viable alternatives.
Router, remote storage and Back up solution for the above devices.

That's a whole lot of differing user experiences and a whole lot of support departments, none of which I can talk face to face with. I'll stick with Apple and continue to recommend them, it's easy.

 

Pete, the only picture that you need to post is of you sucking Lemons.

 

Does anyone dispute that the signal attenuation of a naked iPhone 4 being handled is greater than most other phones?