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Old Jun 10, 2010 | 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Neanderthal
Right searched the Dell support forum, it seems any standard ATX PSU should fit.

I'm thinking of this PSU as the replacment http://www.ebuyer.com/product/147112
I just had to call it out... Just in case

They have been known to be crafty in the past!
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Old Jun 10, 2010 | 09:58 PM
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I appreciate the heads up mate. It's something I hadn't thought of to check!
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Been using the 750watt version of this ever since i built my quadcore rig (gtx275)

http://www.aristacomputers.com/Power...SU-Retail.html

It has been spot on, and the price was keen.
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£44.61



http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/750W-...ency-Black-Psu

Meant for SLI, but the GTX 275 takes 2 power inputs anyway, and at least they are both on separate power rails when doing it this way

The box says 80+ on the front, which i assume means something good
And the rear says something about efficiency better than 80% which i assume is also good, maybe they are related


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Originally Posted by StickyMicky
£44.61



http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/750W-...ency-Black-Psu

Meant for SLI, but the GTX 275 takes 2 power inputs anyway, and at least they are both on separate power rails when doing it this way

The box says 80+ on the front, which i assume means something good
And the rear says something about efficiency better than 80% which i assume is also good, maybe they are related


OK,try buy cheap FMIC and buy branded FMIC,which is better or try buy cheap cola and buy proper CocaCola which its better?
This is its same with PSU,when you buy cheap stuff you be prepare pay twice.
Im using in my machines(computers)which i build for my customers only braned products,due lifetime warranty etc.
I have 2x XFX5970 + GTX260 for PhysX in my PC,and i have ThermalTake PSU 1200W.
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Originally Posted by StickyMicky
Been using the 750watt version of this ever since i built my quadcore rig (gtx275)

http://www.aristacomputers.com/Power...SU-Retail.html

It has been spot on, and the price was keen.
Hi m8 you are really need 750W PSU?Its overkill for your Quadcore...
Before you buy any PSU check this website,this is PSU wattage calculator
http://www.antec.outervision.com/
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OK,try buy cheap FMIC and buy branded FMIC,which is better or try buy cheap cola and buy proper CocaCola which its better?

You are talking to completely the wrong chap about stuff like that, i was running 1.65bar boost on my 2.5 engine, with a 1997 TMIC

And it never detted

Do i need 750 watt? nope! it is not even being stressed, it has an easy life, and its future proof


PS. Asda`s own brand Lemon+Lime cola, is LOADS nicer than "proper" coke, and only 47p per 2 litre bottle

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Originally Posted by jura11
Hi m8 you are really need 750W PSU?Its overkill for your Quadcore...
Before you buy any PSU check this website,this is PSU wattage calculator
http://www.antec.outervision.com/

I must have done something wrong, but that website has just told me i need a 926watt psu
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Old Jun 12, 2010 | 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by StickyMicky
You are talking to completely the wrong chap about stuff like that, i was running 1.65bar boost on my 2.5 engine, with a 1997 TMIC

And it never detted

Do i need 750 watt? nope! it is not even being stressed, it has an easy life, and its future proof


PS. Asda`s own brand Lemon+Lime cola, is LOADS nicer than "proper" coke, and only 47p per 2 litre bottle
Originally Posted by StickyMicky
I must have done something wrong, but that website has just told me i need a 926watt psu


Yes,we talking about another things,but i have before problems with cheap PSU(i think its CIT) in one customers PC,due this i dont recommend cheap PSU.
You run 1.65 bar on TMIC thats great.Slowboy now for me installed FMIC.
Future proof doesnt exist in computers and technology,due now its good GTX480 and XFX5970,later this GPU be rubbish.
Yeah,sometimes its better cheap stuff,but not for everything....
Waw,926W PSU for your GTX275 its overkill and i use 1200W PSU but with 2x 5970 and GTX 260 and i7 and i have spare 350W(i measure with wattmeter,last time),but 750W its enough and probably future proof.
Anyway,sorry
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Old Jun 16, 2010 | 05:46 PM
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Well that's an experience I never want to have to repeat. Done now though thanks for everyones advice
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Old Jun 17, 2010 | 10:05 AM
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finaly got round to looking at comp specs and prices.

some interesting things, anyone else noticed you seem to either pay 100 for a basic or 300 for the newer version.

seems to be a big price gap, my guess new cards comming out so the current crop will price drop soon, anyone heard anything on the grapevine?
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Old Jun 17, 2010 | 10:43 AM
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Thing is, there's always going to be newer cards about to be released. One day you just have to bite the bullet and buy something knowing in 12 months it'll be outdated and underpowered
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Old Jun 17, 2010 | 12:19 PM
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yeah, just not normaly such a big void in the middle market
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Old Jun 22, 2010 | 10:01 PM
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No, in the middle ATI win IMHO, it's only the "looneys" who would rather shoot everything in sight that can justify £500 for a graphics card, that also simulates a storage heater crossed with a wind farm...

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Old Jun 23, 2010 | 02:40 PM
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think this is prob the spec im gonna go for. im getting the graphix card cheap form a mate, he bought it, put it in his for 2 days then swicthed it out for a twin card setup lol



Spec

Intel core i7 2.66GHz 8MB cache
Asus P6t sok 1366, ddr3-2000
6GB ddr3 1600
Radeon 4890HD graphics card (from rich)
1TB Seagate barracuda, 7200rpm, 3gb/s 8.5ms response
550w corsair psu
Coolmaster ammo 533 midi tower
2No 120mm fans (enough power cables?)





MB £145.90

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Asus-...-SATA-RAID-ATX

Chip £179.97

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Intel...io-130W-Retail

Ram £136.44

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/plus-...-9-9-9-24-165V




(rest comes to £199.80)
HD


http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/1TB-S...1000528AS-SATA

£55.92

PSU

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/550W-...-year-Warranty


£69.96




Case

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Coole...r-Case-w-o-PSU

£50.47


Extra case fan x2

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/120mm...se-Fan-1200rpm

£6.45 = £12.90




Total £662.11

+ 50 for graphics = £701.66

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just to add, the ram and mb is a bit ott, but this is done deliberatly so i have expansion room later on for ugrades, also should be noted im gonna have to gets 64 bit windows so windows 7 it is, £98 from amazon for home premium.

also havn;t fully gone through to see if i can tweek anything to get best performance or that they all are compatable. (internet searching tonight here we go)
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Looks fine to me, but if you are really impatient, try an SSD.... I have W7 on mine and it boots in seconds, in fact the BIOS messages take up half the time at startup. Mere Q6600 @ 3.5Ghz.... and climbing.

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P.S. 60 Gb is just about enough to get the thing up and running.
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been looking at ssd's, tbh i think im gonna wait for a price drop first.

i've order the chip, ram and boardm rest will have to wait for payday lol.

i slightly tweeked it for a better case and psu, gonna dumpt he fans cos case comes with them

Case
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Coole...-Panel-w-o-PSU

PSU
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/127861


all in all comes to £686, without operating system and monitor which are to follow (yep i know i can only use 3gb of the ram with 32 bit xp), so pretty happy with the spec.
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
think this is prob the spec im gonna go for. im getting the graphix card cheap form a mate, he bought it, put it in his for 2 days then swicthed it out for a twin card setup lol



Spec

Intel core i7 2.66GHz 8MB cache
Asus P6t sok 1366, ddr3-2000
6GB ddr3 1600
Radeon 4890HD graphics card (from rich)
1TB Seagate barracuda, 7200rpm, 3gb/s 8.5ms response
550w corsair psu
Coolmaster ammo 533 midi tower
2No 120mm fans (enough power cables?)





MB £145.90

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Asus-P6T-SE-Intel-X58-Sok-1366-PCI-E-20-(x16)-DDR3-2000-1866-1800-SATA-3Gb-s-SATA-RAID-ATX

Chip £179.97

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Intel...io-130W-Retail

Ram £136.44

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/plus-6GB-(3x2GB)-Corsair-XMS3-DDR3-PC3-12800-(1600)-Non-ECC-Unbuffered-CAS-9-9-9-24-165V




(rest comes to £199.80)
HD


http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/1TB-S...1000528AS-SATA

£55.92

PSU

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/550W-...-year-Warranty


£69.96




Case

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Coole...r-Case-w-o-PSU

£50.47


Extra case fan x2

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/120mm...se-Fan-1200rpm

£6.45 = £12.90




Total £662.11

+ 50 for graphics = £701.66




Hi there im using only cases from Coolermaster(look on Ebuyer for HAF 922,932,these cases are roomy and very good cases for future upgrade(maybe for 5970),water cool etc.)or LianLi(but these cases are very expensive),for CPU go for i7 920-930(these cpu are unbeatenable in every app,but no very good for gaming(slightly are better i5,check Toms Hardware),Memory 6Gb its good for future,GPU(graphic card)go for atleast for 5770 or 5850(if you are gamer).For HDD try Samsung F1-F4(these HDD are best on market for 3.5"HDD no SSD) or look for cheap WD VelociRaptor(on ebay 90£).
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Originally Posted by jura11
Hi there im using only cases from Coolermaster(look on Ebuyer for HAF 922,932,these cases are roomy and very good cases for future upgrade(maybe for 5970),water cool etc.)or LianLi(but these cases are very expensive),for CPU go for i7 920-930(these cpu are unbeatenable in every app,but no very good for gaming(slightly are better i5,check Toms Hardware),Memory 6Gb its good for future,GPU(graphic card)go for atleast for 5770 or 5850(if you are gamer).For HDD try Samsung F1-F4(these HDD are best on market for 3.5"HDD no SSD) or look for cheap WD VelociRaptor(on ebay 90£).

as a bove i decided to go coolmaster route, well will be doing.


graphics card wise if i could find a better card for £50 i would lol, althought form what i've seen i think most would struggle up to a 280 or even the 5000 series except for the high spec ones.

this is the card

http://www.guru3d.com/article/powerc...90-pcs-review/

foir the price i can't argue lol, but its somthing i wasn't happy with the prices of, too expensive for the higher spec cards that would be quicker than this.

to compare speeds of the 4800 series,


ATI Radeon
HD 4870

ATI Radeon
HD 4890
PowerColor
HD 4890 PCS+
# of transistors
956 million
959 million
959 million
Stream Processing Units
800
800
800
Clock speed
750 MHz
850 (and higher)
950
Memory Clock
3600 MHz (effective)
3900 MHz (effective)
4200 MHz (effective)
Math processing rate (Multiply Add)
1200 GigaFLOPS
1360 GigaFLOPS
1498 GigaFLOPS
Texture Units
40
40
40
Render back-ends
16
16
16
Memory & type
512/1024MB GDDR5
1024MB GDDR5
1024MB GDDR5
Memory interface
256-bit
256-bit
256-bit
Fabrication process
55nm
55nm
55nm
Power Consumption (peak)
160W
190W
199W
Power Consumption (Idle)
90W
60W
60W


the toss up between i5 and i7 was one i thought about for a while, i7's and i5's price wise seem to be about the same near as damit. from what i saw the i7 was marginaly quicker on some gamesbut also the i7 as a chip will be pushed way higher performance wise than the i5 giving more head room for upgradeability.


hard drive wise i selected that one because of the faster responce rate, 8.5ms compare to 8.9ms? velraptors are all mega expensive and rather not go second hand on the hd
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Now I can say that your first choice of case was atrocious



You won't notice a mS on access times in the real world....

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P.S. I gave up at 3.62 GHz last night, poor Q6600 had had enough, so sitting at 3.51 Ghz from 2.4 std.

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Originally Posted by dunx
Now I can say that your first choice of case was atrocious



You won't notice a mS on access times in the real world....

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P.S. I gave up at 3.62 GHz last night, poor Q6600 had had enough, so sitting at 3.51 Ghz from 2.4 std.

lol, i liked it cos it was different form the norm lol
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Originally Posted by dunx
Now I can say that your first choice of case was atrocious



You won't notice a mS on access times in the real world....

dunx

P.S. I gave up at 3.62 GHz last night, poor Q6600 had had enough, so sitting at 3.51 Ghz from 2.4 std.

Hi there im using these cases only for one reason,because only these case its ready for CF 5970x2 and i have i7 overclocked on 4.3Ghz on air(Nocua) and temp under 50 celsius under load(stable and tested with Prime95,OCCT and Furmark) and this case its cold(compare to any case this case have weight up to 13.2 Kg just case without components)
For Q6600 its good result,but its stable on long run?
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
lol, i liked it cos it was different form the norm lol
Hi there just look at my case[IMG][/IMG]

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Hehe, yeah that's different, beats a black box,,,,,, lol
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I've been creeping up from 3 GHz, gradually, and it's only unstable at over 3.6 GHz, so 3.5 is stable enough for my use, maybe not for a 24/7 machine.

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Thb I don't think I'm gonna overclock it, at least for now. I think if you don't know what your doing better to stay clear rather than break it lol.

Chip, board and RAM arrived thismorning
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Thb I don't think I'm gonna overclock it, at least for now. I think if you don't know what your doing better to stay clear rather than break it lol.

Chip, board and RAM arrived thismorning
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
Thb I don't think I'm gonna overclock it, at least for now. I think if you don't know what your doing better to stay clear rather than break it lol.

Chip, board and RAM arrived thismorning
With standard cpu cooler its not possible overclock up to 3.3Ghz i7 920,due sh.ty heatsink,if you have standard buy Coolermaster or Noctua NH-U12P,these cooler are best for overclocking and dont cost fortune or out is Corsair H50 cost form 55£(which its cheapest watercool kit for cpu)
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i can see me replacing the chip at some point down the line ratehr than overclocking it
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