Israel at it again
02 June 2010, 12:19 PM
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02 June 2010, 02:07 PM
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In all honesty they've learnt very little from 70 years ago. There are also an overwhelming percentage of jews in the world who do not want to live in Israel and a significant proportion who do not think therre even should be a state of Israel. There are also a significant proportion of Israelis who detest what the governement are doing, but unfortunately there are a bunch of idiot right wing nationalists voted into power by a loads of zionist nutters and plenty of scared folk, along with the ultra religious nut jobs who can't stop building towns in the west bank, who believe its their right, and who are multplying with families that average 10 kids and will become more and more influencial.
It's basically a s**t show of the highest order there, multiple Israeli factions arguing all the time, solving nothing.
It means that the average brit, who knows even less than me about what is going on over there, makes the understandable mistake of refering to the Israelis as the jews, and so ruins it for all us jews.
02 June 2010, 02:27 PM
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02 June 2010, 02:40 PM
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That is because that whole region is a sh1thole of the biggest order that would be lleft to the desert if it was not surrounded by oil producing nations
02 June 2010, 03:19 PM
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Its a bit harsh to ignore the distinction between Israelis and Jewish people. Been some pretty prominent Jews speaking out about the Evil acts comitted by Israel over the years.
02 June 2010, 06:21 PM
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As usual any Israeli actions bring out the anti jewish lobby just a couple of things to note in my humble and perhaps biased opinion.
1 Despite repeated warnings these ships still headed to Gaza.
2 There was no way of knowing what and who were on board or what weapons may be present.
3 I do not call passive resitance being hit with iron bars,being thrown over the side or having weapons taken and fired at you.
4 These "protestors" knew the risk they were taking and therefore cannot bleat when action is taken.
I will end by pointing out that yes they were in international waters but as i recall was not the General Belgrano also in international waters when it was sunk by the RN?
As ever with some English people they are happy to ignore their own state "crimes" which persist to this day including Afghanistan but are very quick to jump on a state that has been attacked by its neighbours since 1948.
I would also mention the recent report in to the events on bloody sunday when civlilians were shot by the British army was it 13 dead?
1 Despite repeated warnings these ships still headed to Gaza.
2 There was no way of knowing what and who were on board or what weapons may be present.
3 I do not call passive resitance being hit with iron bars,being thrown over the side or having weapons taken and fired at you.
4 These "protestors" knew the risk they were taking and therefore cannot bleat when action is taken.
I will end by pointing out that yes they were in international waters but as i recall was not the General Belgrano also in international waters when it was sunk by the RN?
As ever with some English people they are happy to ignore their own state "crimes" which persist to this day including Afghanistan but are very quick to jump on a state that has been attacked by its neighbours since 1948.
I would also mention the recent report in to the events on bloody sunday when civlilians were shot by the British army was it 13 dead?
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02 June 2010, 06:31 PM
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As usual any Israeli actions bring out the anti jewish lobby just a couple of things to note in my humble and perhaps biased opinion.
1 Despite repeated warnings these ships still headed to Gaza.
2 There was no way of knowing what and who were on board or what weapons may be present.
3 I do not call passive resitance being hit with iron bars,being thrown over the side or having weapons taken and fired at you.
4 These "protestors" knew the risk they were taking and therefore cannot bleat when action is taken.
I will end by pointing out that yes they were in international waters but as i recall was not the General Belgrano also in international waters when it was sunk by the RN?
As ever with some English people they are happy to ignore their own state "crimes" which persist to this day including Afghanistan but are very quick to jump on a state that has been attacked by its neighbours since 1948.
1 Despite repeated warnings these ships still headed to Gaza.
2 There was no way of knowing what and who were on board or what weapons may be present.
3 I do not call passive resitance being hit with iron bars,being thrown over the side or having weapons taken and fired at you.
4 These "protestors" knew the risk they were taking and therefore cannot bleat when action is taken.
I will end by pointing out that yes they were in international waters but as i recall was not the General Belgrano also in international waters when it was sunk by the RN?
As ever with some English people they are happy to ignore their own state "crimes" which persist to this day including Afghanistan but are very quick to jump on a state that has been attacked by its neighbours since 1948.
02 June 2010, 06:48 PM
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As usual any Israeli actions bring out the anti jewish lobby just a couple of things to note in my humble and perhaps biased opinion.
1 Despite repeated warnings these ships still headed to Gaza.
2 There was no way of knowing what and who were on board or what weapons may be present.
3 I do not call passive resitance being hit with iron bars,being thrown over the side or having weapons taken and fired at you.
4 These "protestors" knew the risk they were taking and therefore cannot bleat when action is taken.
I will end by pointing out that yes they were in international waters but as i recall was not the General Belgrano also in international waters when it was sunk by the RN?
As ever with some English people they are happy to ignore their own state "crimes" which persist to this day including Afghanistan but are very quick to jump on a state that has been attacked by its neighbours since 1948.
I would also mention the recent report in to the events on bloody sunday when civlilians were shot by the British army was it 13 dead?
1 Despite repeated warnings these ships still headed to Gaza.
2 There was no way of knowing what and who were on board or what weapons may be present.
3 I do not call passive resitance being hit with iron bars,being thrown over the side or having weapons taken and fired at you.
4 These "protestors" knew the risk they were taking and therefore cannot bleat when action is taken.
I will end by pointing out that yes they were in international waters but as i recall was not the General Belgrano also in international waters when it was sunk by the RN?
As ever with some English people they are happy to ignore their own state "crimes" which persist to this day including Afghanistan but are very quick to jump on a state that has been attacked by its neighbours since 1948.
I would also mention the recent report in to the events on bloody sunday when civlilians were shot by the British army was it 13 dead?
That's scraping the barrel
Seeing Israel has been acting in self defence since 1948, they seem to have done pretty well with regards to territory.
02 June 2010, 06:56 PM
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Indeed but you forgot to mention that any increse in land area has been the direct result of being attacked by those very neighbours ie.the six day war!!
02 June 2010, 07:33 PM
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As usual any Israeli actions bring out the anti jewish lobby just a couple of things to note in my humble and perhaps biased opinion.
1 Despite repeated warnings these ships still headed to Gaza.
2 There was no way of knowing what and who were on board or what weapons may be present.
3 I do not call passive resitance being hit with iron bars,being thrown over the side or having weapons taken and fired at you.
4 These "protestors" knew the risk they were taking and therefore cannot bleat when action is taken.
I will end by pointing out that yes they were in international waters but as i recall was not the General Belgrano also in international waters when it was sunk by the RN?
As ever with some English people they are happy to ignore their own state "crimes" which persist to this day including Afghanistan but are very quick to jump on a state that has been attacked by its neighbours since 1948.
I would also mention the recent report in to the events on bloody sunday when civlilians were shot by the British army was it 13 dead?
1 Despite repeated warnings these ships still headed to Gaza.
2 There was no way of knowing what and who were on board or what weapons may be present.
3 I do not call passive resitance being hit with iron bars,being thrown over the side or having weapons taken and fired at you.
4 These "protestors" knew the risk they were taking and therefore cannot bleat when action is taken.
I will end by pointing out that yes they were in international waters but as i recall was not the General Belgrano also in international waters when it was sunk by the RN?
As ever with some English people they are happy to ignore their own state "crimes" which persist to this day including Afghanistan but are very quick to jump on a state that has been attacked by its neighbours since 1948.
I would also mention the recent report in to the events on bloody sunday when civlilians were shot by the British army was it 13 dead?
you compare the illegal attack of an aid ship in Internatiinal waters with acts carried out in war. Typical Israeli spin i'm afraid and complete boll0cks.Ted i'm surprised by your post and admit that is a view I didn't realise was prominent in the Jewish community so enlightening to read. The Jewish support Israel gets from the US tends to give the impression that is the general concensus of Jews. I think there needs to be louder voices though from the Jewish community outside of Israel condemning such actions to make your point more understood.
02 June 2010, 08:48 PM
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I think you will find the Argentinian Govt admitted that the sinking was legal in their own review of the incident, and that was backed up by a second report (from them) about 15 years back.
02 June 2010, 09:49 PM
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Funny how all the terrorist actions committed by Israel to help secure territory and drive palestinians off thier homeland land seem to get forgotten about. I don't think the Palestinians watching jewish settlers build houses on thier homes have forgotten though.
02 June 2010, 10:12 PM
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As usual any Israeli actions bring out the anti jewish lobby just a couple of things to note in my humble and perhaps biased opinion.
1 Despite repeated warnings these ships still headed to Gaza.
2 There was no way of knowing what and who were on board or what weapons may be present.
3 I do not call passive resitance being hit with iron bars,being thrown over the side or having weapons taken and fired at you.
4 These "protestors" knew the risk they were taking and therefore cannot bleat when action is taken.
I will end by pointing out that yes they were in international waters but as i recall was not the General Belgrano also in international waters when it was sunk by the RN?
As ever with some English people they are happy to ignore their own state "crimes" which persist to this day including Afghanistan but are very quick to jump on a state that has been attacked by its neighbours since 1948.
I would also mention the recent report in to the events on bloody sunday when civlilians were shot by the British army was it 13 dead?
1 Despite repeated warnings these ships still headed to Gaza.
2 There was no way of knowing what and who were on board or what weapons may be present.
3 I do not call passive resitance being hit with iron bars,being thrown over the side or having weapons taken and fired at you.
4 These "protestors" knew the risk they were taking and therefore cannot bleat when action is taken.
I will end by pointing out that yes they were in international waters but as i recall was not the General Belgrano also in international waters when it was sunk by the RN?
As ever with some English people they are happy to ignore their own state "crimes" which persist to this day including Afghanistan but are very quick to jump on a state that has been attacked by its neighbours since 1948.
I would also mention the recent report in to the events on bloody sunday when civlilians were shot by the British army was it 13 dead?
While Israel is happy to let a few million 'worthless Arabs' suffer I am glad that there are some people in the world who show a little bit more humanity.
As for being attacked by its neighbours since 1948 I wonder why that might be. Maybe because Israel is the most narrow minded and bigoted country in the world. Most of its inhabitants seem to think they are in some way superior to the rest of the human race, in particular Arabs, which just shows how a mask of civilisation can be pulled over a people with views stuck in the Dark Ages.
02 June 2010, 10:32 PM
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That would be the one that shows a British mandate of - well what exactly? A bit of ex-Ottoman empire that to my (rather limited) knowledge has never existed as a state in any form since Roman times?
I always thought it was because the Palestinians didn't get any say in the matter.
You know the kind of thing - With friends like these who needs enemies?
Mind you, I could be wrong. Perhaps in 1948 Jordan, Egypt and Syria etc. were all intending to set up a Palestinian state - like they did (not) in the West Bank and Gaza before 1966. Then again perhaps they were just acting out of self interest as tragically, many "friends" of the Palestinians continue to do to this day IMO. The George Galloways of this world so to speak.
As an additional point, it is interesting to note that some people seem to like quoting UN resolutions to Israel, when indeed the one that lead to it's creation was responded to by the unsuccessful attempt of their neighbours to annihilate them.
I always thought it was because the Palestinians didn't get any say in the matter.
You know the kind of thing - With friends like these who needs enemies?
Mind you, I could be wrong. Perhaps in 1948 Jordan, Egypt and Syria etc. were all intending to set up a Palestinian state - like they did (not) in the West Bank and Gaza before 1966. Then again perhaps they were just acting out of self interest as tragically, many "friends" of the Palestinians continue to do to this day IMO. The George Galloways of this world so to speak.
As an additional point, it is interesting to note that some people seem to like quoting UN resolutions to Israel, when indeed the one that lead to it's creation was responded to by the unsuccessful attempt of their neighbours to annihilate them.
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02 June 2010, 10:37 PM
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What a load of nonsense. You seem to be missing the fundamental point that if Israel was not persecuting the people of Gaza then there would be no need for any ships to be heading that way in the first place.
While Israel is happy to let a few million 'worthless Arabs' suffer I am glad that there are some people in the world who show a little bit more humanity.
As for being attacked by its neighbours since 1948 I wonder why that might be. Maybe because Israel is the most narrow minded and bigoted country in the world. Most of its inhabitants seem to think they are in some way superior to the rest of the human race, in particular Arabs, which just shows how a mask of civilisation can be pulled over a people with views stuck in the Dark Ages.
While Israel is happy to let a few million 'worthless Arabs' suffer I am glad that there are some people in the world who show a little bit more humanity.
As for being attacked by its neighbours since 1948 I wonder why that might be. Maybe because Israel is the most narrow minded and bigoted country in the world. Most of its inhabitants seem to think they are in some way superior to the rest of the human race, in particular Arabs, which just shows how a mask of civilisation can be pulled over a people with views stuck in the Dark Ages.
That last paragraph is hilarious - do read it again and have a good chuckle - it is classic.
03 June 2010, 01:28 PM
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zionest are jews that beleive in the israel state, you also got other jews that are anti zionist as according to there own scriptures they are the people with no land. a lot of jews that i talk to always stress to me they never had a problem living under islamic law weather its in yeman morroco or other muslim states. its the zionist that take the **** and thats what im against. its BEYOND ME HOW THEY GET AWAY WITH IT ALL, IF THE TABLES WERE TURNED THEN DO YOU THINK THE USA OR UK WOULD SIT AND DO NOTHING ABOUT IT??????
i wouldnt be suprised if usa, uk and israel are linked.
i wouldnt be suprised if usa, uk and israel are linked.
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03 June 2010, 03:45 PM
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presumably you agree with the veracity of the pictures as you used one in your earlier post
03 June 2010, 03:52 PM
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I know the education system in Gaza is probably comparable to the education system you can find in my sh1tter but Hamas refusing to accept the aid untill all detainees are released is a bit stupid, even by their standards.....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/10226151.stm (at the bottom of the story)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/10226151.stm (at the bottom of the story)
03 June 2010, 04:10 PM
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I know the education system in Gaza is probably comparable to the education system you can find in my sh1tter but Hamas refusing to accept the aid untill all detainees are released is a bit stupid, even by their standards.....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/10226151.stm (at the bottom of the story)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/10226151.stm (at the bottom of the story)
03 June 2010, 04:14 PM
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I know the education system in Gaza is probably comparable to the education system you can find in my sh1tter but Hamas refusing to accept the aid untill all detainees are released is a bit stupid, even by their standards.....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/10226151.stm (at the bottom of the story)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/10226151.stm (at the bottom of the story)
03 June 2010, 04:26 PM
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the international aid workers will be freed but the arab aid workers will be indefinately detained and probably tortured by mossad. Hamas are clever enough to know that refusung the aid until they free is the only chance of them ever getting out of the prisons and torture chambers.
By doing this they hurt 1000's to save a few.
03 June 2010, 04:54 PM
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Problem is what happens when immovable object meet irresistable force..... lets face it, Israeli's are not going anywhere and Palestinians will not rest until they are gone.
Call me cynical, but this is never going to get sorted.
Call me cynical, but this is never going to get sorted.
03 June 2010, 04:56 PM
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zionest are jews that beleive in the israel state, you also got other jews that are anti zionist as according to there own scriptures they are the people with no land. a lot of jews that i talk to always stress to me they never had a problem living under islamic law weather its in yeman morroco or other muslim states. its the zionist that take the **** and thats what im against. its BEYOND ME HOW THEY GET AWAY WITH IT ALL, IF THE TABLES WERE TURNED THEN DO YOU THINK THE USA OR UK WOULD SIT AND DO NOTHING ABOUT IT??????
i wouldnt be suprised if usa, uk and israel are linked.
i wouldnt be suprised if usa, uk and israel are linked.
If the rest of the world said to Middle East "**** it, let them sort it themselfs" the result would be swift and brutal