Wonder how Webbers opening conversation with Vittel will go?
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I think Jake does a cracking job myself. Yes he does look a tit with that Ipad but for all we know Apple said have a free one but just flash it about a bit. Who wouldnt
I stopped watching F1 for a couple of years but Im loving this season even after the procession at Bahrain. And the BBC coverage is a large part of my enjoyment.
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I stopped watching F1 for a couple of years but Im loving this season even after the procession at Bahrain. And the BBC coverage is a large part of my enjoyment.
All I need now is for them to broadcast the racing in HD and DD and Ill be one happy chappy
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BTW - did anyone see the fight that nearly took place when Vettel walked back to a motorhome? Those Redbull staff didn't want anyone speaking to their driver before they had been able to add some spin!
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"Adopted a defensive position" - how is this done without changing the direction of the car, even just a little?
Sebastian got a run and strong tow and moved to the left to pass Mark. Mark held the inside line and adopted a defensive position, which he is entitled to do
What we expect from our drivers, as team mates, is that they show respect for each other and allow one another enough room on the race track. Unfortunately neither driver did this on Sunday and the net result was an incident between the two
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No WE don't agree as once Vettel is alongside Webber makes no movement towards him. The defensive position was adopted before Vettel tried it on. It's called racing. What would you have him do? Open the door and wave him through? Vettel 100% to blame as it was at the start of this thread unless you count Mark being on the race track as him not being totally blameless.
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Forget the alongside thing for a moment, lets concentrate on this.
I'm trying to understand how you adopt a defensive position without changing the direction of the car.
he defensive position was adopted before Vettel tried it on
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Watch the slo mo again on F1 Forum. When Seb is along side Mark, Mark is actually moving to the right. It does look like mark steering wheel turns just a little to the left as Seb is next to him.
Mark is being defensive by holding his line and not allowing Seb to move over - which is what he needs to do because Seb is out of position for the coner.
If they hadn't collided its likely that Seb would have had to go too deep and mark would have cut in underneath him.
I suspect that Seb either thought Mark would move over or at least thought that is the wheels bang then the cars will carry on. He didn't expect them to crash out.
Mark is being defensive by holding his line and not allowing Seb to move over - which is what he needs to do because Seb is out of position for the coner.
If they hadn't collided its likely that Seb would have had to go too deep and mark would have cut in underneath him.
I suspect that Seb either thought Mark would move over or at least thought that is the wheels bang then the cars will carry on. He didn't expect them to crash out.
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Do you know what Daveyboy? Webber did change direction prior to the accident. Otherwise he would never have got round the preceeding corner.
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Yep it's racing, and I fully agree. Based on that he didn't really do anything wrong, but horners rules are:
What we expect from our drivers, as team mates, is that they show respect for each other and allow one another enough room on the race track
You could argue (and I am), that Webber didn't do this. He did give him respect, but I feel could have given more room.
What we expect from our drivers, as team mates, is that they show respect for each other and allow one another enough room on the race track
You could argue (and I am), that Webber didn't do this. He did give him respect, but I feel could have given more room.
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Any driver is entitled/expected to defend their position! This includes moving across from the race-line to "discourage" someone diving down the inside at the next bend? Are you saying that because Webber chose to defend his 1st position he's partly to blame for the coming together?
Why have a race at all in that case...why not just all finish in the grid positions or have it against the clock instead...that's not racing surely!
Vettel was at fault...he chose to pursue that inside line even when Webber had made it quite clear he wasn't going to give him anymore than a car's width to play with...and when Seb tried to bully some more room he forced the collision..
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Yep it's racing, and I fully agree. Based on that he didn't really do anything wrong, but horners rules are:
What we expect from our drivers, as team mates, is that they show respect for each other and allow one another enough room on the race track
You could argue (and I am), that Webber didn't do this. He did give him respect, but I feel could have given more room.
What we expect from our drivers, as team mates, is that they show respect for each other and allow one another enough room on the race track
You could argue (and I am), that Webber didn't do this. He did give him respect, but I feel could have given more room.
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Me and Horner go back a long way
Some of this comes back to if you feel he did, or didn't turn slightly left.
If you have seen the footage and think he didn't turn left (even slightly) then he's done nothing wrong. Nothing to see here, well, you can try and convince me he didn't but thats a waste of time.
If you feel he did turn left (like I do) then he hasn't really allowed enough room, he's reduced the amount of room. I can only think it's the natural thing for a racer (I'd do it) to do, but thems the teams rules. But in the case of an accident, them team 'may' lay some blame at your feet.
Now I need to get myself ready for a 10mile time trial tonight.....and need to work.
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Some of this comes back to if you feel he did, or didn't turn slightly left.
If you have seen the footage and think he didn't turn left (even slightly) then he's done nothing wrong. Nothing to see here, well, you can try and convince me he didn't but thats a waste of time.
If you feel he did turn left (like I do) then he hasn't really allowed enough room, he's reduced the amount of room. I can only think it's the natural thing for a racer (I'd do it) to do, but thems the teams rules. But in the case of an accident, them team 'may' lay some blame at your feet.
Now I need to get myself ready for a 10mile time trial tonight.....and need to work.
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Not Webber's fault in any way.
Horner is just protecting his best asset. You, on the other hand, are just being silly.
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What? When he went round the previous LH bend ...?? As has been said, what Webber did prior to his teammate trying the overtake is immaterial. WHEN he was alongside, Webber held his line and Vettal swerved right into him. I fail to see how any blame can be laid at Webbers door ....
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It appeared that as soon as Hamilton knew that Button was coming up beside him he did move fractionly to his right which avoided an accident. I don't know if they did touch, not possible to see that from our viewpoint.
Vettel did move across towards Webber, whether that was to allow him to remain on the track instead of putting a wheel off I can't say for sure, I think he had enough room but can't be positive. Webber was very lucky not to be taken off completely but I think it would have been more sensible to do as Hamilton did and avoided the contact which finished Vettel's race and very nearly his own.
Even if he was on the line, which is questionable since he allowed Vettel enough room to drive up beside him, wouldn't it have been better to avoid the accident anyway? Not much point in risking taking them both out.
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Even if he was on the line, which is questionable since he allowed Vettel enough room to drive up beside him, wouldn't it have been better to avoid the accident anyway? Not much point in risking taking them both out.
I shall resist the opportunity to do any jeering! it seems a bit rude to me!
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I shall resist the opportunity to do any jeering! it seems a bit rude to me!
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Feel free to jeer away, old boy
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