P1Fanatic

Im sure it was DC who said that on the back of JH making the same comment. DC said hed spoken to his contacts and Vettel already had it.

Simon

P1Fanatic

Next you will be saying Lewis is not blameless for keeping the pressure on them both prior to the crash. Webber defended his position with no erratic movement end of story.

Simon

Wish

iTrader: (2)

Legard is a complete bell end and spoiling F1 for me

P1Fanatic

I think Jake does a cracking job myself. Yes he does look a tit with that Ipad but for all we know Apple said have a free one but just flash it about a bit. Who wouldnt

I stopped watching F1 for a couple of years but Im loving this season even after the procession at Bahrain. And the BBC coverage is a large part of my enjoyment.

All I need now is for them to broadcast the racing in HD and DD and Ill be one happy chappy

Simon

davyboy

So we agree, he did make a movement (towards Vettel), just not an erratic one.

davyboy

BTW - did anyone see the fight that nearly took place when Vettel walked back to a motorhome? Those Redbull staff didn't want anyone speaking to their driver before they had been able to add some spin!

davyboy

http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2010/...fficial-story/

"Adopted a defensive position" - how is this done without changing the direction of the car, even just a little?

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

No WE don't agree as once Vettel is alongside Webber makes no movement towards him. The defensive position was adopted before Vettel tried it on. It's called racing. What would you have him do? Open the door and wave him through? Vettel 100% to blame as it was at the start of this thread unless you count Mark being on the race track as him not being totally blameless.

davyboy

Forget the alongside thing for a moment, lets concentrate on this.

I'm trying to understand how you adopt a defensive position without changing the direction of the car.

davyboy

Dave,

Have you seen the BBC forum footage that shows Webber move left?

EddScott

Watch the slo mo again on F1 Forum. When Seb is along side Mark, Mark is actually moving to the right. It does look like mark steering wheel turns just a little to the left as Seb is next to him.

Mark is being defensive by holding his line and not allowing Seb to move over - which is what he needs to do because Seb is out of position for the coner.

If they hadn't collided its likely that Seb would have had to go too deep and mark would have cut in underneath him.

I suspect that Seb either thought Mark would move over or at least thought that is the wheels bang then the cars will carry on. He didn't expect them to crash out.

EddScott

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Jay m A

iTrader: (2)

Do you know what Daveyboy? Webber did change direction prior to the accident. Otherwise he would never have got round the preceeding corner.

FFS

P1Fanatic

Yep some pap shouting dont push me around. Maybe they will have some bigger bodyguards for Canada. I was suprised they waited til he was nearly in the motorhome as before then he only had 1 women escorting him.

Simon

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

And I am trying to understand why adopting a defensive position prior to Vettel making his move is seen as in any way as contributing to the accident. As I said it's racing.

davyboy

Yep it's racing, and I fully agree. Based on that he didn't really do anything wrong, but horners rules are:

What we expect from our drivers, as team mates, is that they show respect for each other and allow one another enough room on the race track

You could argue (and I am), that Webber didn't do this. He did give him respect, but I feel could have given more room.

scooby L

I'm not sure what your angle is on this one Davy

Any driver is entitled/expected to defend their position! This includes moving across from the race-line to "discourage" someone diving down the inside at the next bend? Are you saying that because Webber chose to defend his 1st position he's partly to blame for the coming together?
Why have a race at all in that case...why not just all finish in the grid positions or have it against the clock instead...that's not racing surely!

Vettel was at fault...he chose to pursue that inside line even when Webber had made it quite clear he wasn't going to give him anymore than a car's width to play with...and when Seb tried to bully some more room he forced the collision..

davyboy

I've no angle, and I fear we may have posted at similar times as I've explained why above.

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Why? He is racing for a win. He gave Vettel 1 car's width and a bit. Absolutely what he should have done. Vettel was the one who chose to turn into him and 100% caused the accident. You and Horner seem to be saying he should just have opened the door and let him past and as he didn't he is culpable. Ridiculous!!

davyboy

Me and Horner go back a long way

Some of this comes back to if you feel he did, or didn't turn slightly left.

If you have seen the footage and think he didn't turn left (even slightly) then he's done nothing wrong. Nothing to see here, well, you can try and convince me he didn't but thats a waste of time.

If you feel he did turn left (like I do) then he hasn't really allowed enough room, he's reduced the amount of room. I can only think it's the natural thing for a racer (I'd do it) to do, but thems the teams rules. But in the case of an accident, them team 'may' lay some blame at your feet.

Now I need to get myself ready for a 10mile time trial tonight.....and need to work.

Laters!

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Vettel's car eventually pulls alongside and it's all on the track ergo it's enough room.

Not Webber's fault in any way.

Horner is just protecting his best asset. You, on the other hand, are just being silly.

P1Fanatic

No we dont. Are you a politician? The only movement I saw was normal twitching of the steeering wheel left and right as the tyres followed the track.

Simon

Leslie

The rear view mirrors are very poor at letting you know exactly what is going on behind you. That was demonstrated by Brundle at a previous meeting. You have to turn your head to be able to see properly what is coming up. Bit of a trick in a corner!

It appeared that as soon as Hamilton knew that Button was coming up beside him he did move fractionly to his right which avoided an accident. I don't know if they did touch, not possible to see that from our viewpoint.

Vettel did move across towards Webber, whether that was to allow him to remain on the track instead of putting a wheel off I can't say for sure, I think he had enough room but can't be positive. Webber was very lucky not to be taken off completely but I think it would have been more sensible to do as Hamilton did and avoided the contact which finished Vettel's race and very nearly his own.

Even if he was on the line, which is questionable since he allowed Vettel enough room to drive up beside him, wouldn't it have been better to avoid the accident anyway? Not much point in risking taking them both out.

I shall resist the opportunity to do any jeering! it seems a bit rude to me!

Les

ODWOC

Yes, it would have been better for Vettel to avoid the accident

Feel free to jeer away, old boy

Leslie

Not my style my dear fellow!

Les

Fantom

I kind of agree. He's ok but can be very annoying. The thing that really annoys me is when he says "Is this gonna be good enough". He says it sooo often!!

john_s

iTrader: (1)

Look on the bright side about Legard commentating - at least it's not James Allen!

Wish

iTrader: (2)

I think James Allen was way better than this idiot Legard.


Is it true that Mark Webber gay and still living in the closet ??