what comes off, must go back and more, so dropping a tax isn;t the answer 100-10 = 90 not 150

 

Labour will not get my vote for far too many reasons. But to sum up - their inability to control anything properly, and by the time they realised the horse had already bolted (crime, social morality, benefits, NHS, education, immigration, financial sector, civil sector, unions, religious fanatics, road/rail infrastructure, supporting UK based manufacture and export and controlling imports especially from China, all this neglected or incompetantly handled yet spending still goes up and up).

Lib Dem vote risks a hung parliment. Not that I have full faith in teh Dem, but its an alternative totally ruled out by the risk of a hung parliment. This is something that would probably be worse and more bureaucratic than another labour term. Plus they'll side with labour anyway, so it'll just be more of the same.

Other minority parties; Wasted vote. This is the closest chance we've had at removing Labour from power for thirteen years. Yet everyday I drive past plenty of coucil houses all with Labour placards out the front. This tells me something; Those inside are living on the welfare/benefits state at my expense, of course they still want more of the same, so will vote for the party that gave them that tax payer funded sofa+tv lifestyle.

That leaves Tory. Whilst I don't warm to Cameron that much, I believe that the last time they were this cohesive it was in the Thatcher days (albeit more mild mannered ). And this is the best strategical vote to get Labour out. They've proven before to reduce the national debt, and create the fundamentals for a booming economy (which Labour reaped the rewards of), I belive they can do it again. It will however take ten years to sort it....by which time Labour will be back in again

 

Yes, they are called racist bigots!

 

Maybe you think so and that is your choice i suppose. Time will tell i suppose. It does not change that it is the second most important issue to the people of this country - are they all racist, are they all *****? - i guess not perhaps you are just a little wrong or misguided or enen brain-washed.

Not all the population are mindless DM readers or ***** (and lord knows you like to go on and make us all out to be) and i would hazzard a guess thats ome of those who are worried about uncontrolled immigration from the EU and illegal immigrant amnesties are not just white working/middle classes.

You choose ignore the effect immigration (by treating it as a seperate issue not related) has on healthcare, schooling/education, housing, etc or do you honestly believe that immigration does not effect these and these are not important issues linked in with immigration???

Just because you can join the dots up does not make you a racist biggot.

Is you head in the sand or up your own backside i wonder

Perhaps a little lookie here http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00s35k6 - this produced by that well known right-wing extremist, wog hating BBC of all people.

 

Let me ask you something as you seem to know all the answers these days.

Why do you think it is the second most important issue in this election?

 

OK, if you missed it here goes again - Perhaps because it effects so many other areas such as housing, healthcare & education for starters
If this is not the case then please explain why and put me right unlike some i am happy to admit if i am wrong and at least look at the other side of the coin.

This made me chuckle - how like brown and i am sure you can relate to him, after all 'she' mentions immigration and she is also a biggot - apparently.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politi...10/8649012.stm

 

You didn't answer my question.

 

So immigration is costing us more cos all these illegals have run up huge bills at the nhs and caused the banking crisis , i see

Nothing at all to do with people spending like crazy on credit

 

I notice you mention why do I think it is second in people of this countries thoughts, apparently it is not just me though is it

OK then, you seem a little slow today, these issues matter to a lot of people, these same people can also see how the issues such as housing, schools, healthcare, public services are effected by uncontrolled EU and in some cases uncontrolled non eu (lib dims i believe) immigration - they see the blindingly obvious link beyween the detremental effects and immigration and guess what it is important to them because they can see the knock-on effects.

Is that a little clearer for you?

 

Are you a little slow?, i see you avoided my question earlier on how the illegal amnesty will make it better, how it will positively add to the country.

To answer the above - we are in a difficult situation financially i cannot see how allowing an amnesty and legitimising up to 1m illegals, giving them the same rights and access to benefits, to public services is going to help. Surely this will be a draw on the system. with 2.5 million unemployed already.

If you are suggesting we leave the cuurrent unemployed as they are and fill jobs with illegals then how exaclty will this benefit the country. Best to reduce unemployment and then add through immigration if we have the jobs and room by room i mean infratsructure, schools, housing, public services, etc.

tell me i am wrong then prove it, please put up or shut up

 

You are getting quite good at the backhanded insults and I think you are better than that so I will ignore them.

OK so let's take an example. Schools. We all agree in some areas it is under strain, inadequate facilities, truancy, kids with learning difficulties, kids with language difficulties, generally disruptive pupils, poor teachers etc. etc.

You are saying some of that is caused by immigration illegal, EU or otherwise.

Yes it probably is. What I am saying is that a far greater cause is probably lack of investment, badly brought up children from the indigenous population, lack of education at home, poor working environment for teachers etc.

Immigration is just a small part of the problem.

The trouble is the media have sold it to us as a big issue because it is emotive and gets great headlines. You and many others seem happy to latch on to it and join the crest of a wave. Come on Paul, how many threads recently have you started spouting about immigration??? Too many.

I know you are more intelligent than that and so do you. I am not saying it isn't an issue especially in some areas, but the second biggest? I don't think so.

 

and who the cocking hell is voting other at 5 votes ???

a wasted vote unless it is Paul and his BNP

 

and who the cocking hell is voting other at 5 votes ???

a wasted vote unless it is Paul and his BNP

 

Other
alcazar, AlzayUK300, hutton_d, scooby-tc, urban.

 

I was concerned the insults weren't hitting home at all and i as gonna have to get nasty!

Please,o please have a look as the panorama i linked to.

I do not hold immigrants responsible for all the ill's of this country, far from it in thier situation i am sure i would want to get to the UK but that is not a good enough reason just to let it go unchecked and reward those who have come here illegally, lived here illegally by a passport/amnesty.

I hate the chav culture and i particularltly hate the long term benefit taking lazy people and culture of living off of benefits as a lifestyle choice - for some and not all! I really want to see them in work first and foremost even if just working for their benefits doing the most basic of jobs or the benefit is removed - again this would have an affect on housing, public services, helathcare - a positive affect if it is got right.

I do not want anybody gassed or put in concentration camps or beaten up for the colour of thier skin or who they worship either.

My concerns are for the future of this island with limited space and resources - already the most hevaily populated country in the EU based on landmass vs. population and the ability it has to support itself.

 

F1 Fan, it doesn't matter how often you say that immigration isn't an issue it plainly is. Now I know the topic of immigration is sometimes hijacked by racists, but its just as often hijacked by those who will brand anybody who wants to discuss it as a racist.

The bottom line is that unchecked immigration puts untold pressure on the public sector, ie hospitals, social services, affordable housing. The public are concerned about immigration and this needs to be addressed or we have the worrying prospect of the rise of the far right.

You will also see a lot of second generation immigrants (south asian, afro caribbean) being the most vocal about their concerns on immigration. Why is this? They have the most to lose as they will suffer in the back lash even though have grafted for the last 20 years and were actually invited here.

You do them no favours

 

That whole post proves my point.You think it is such a big issue because you have been told it is and you want to think it is...... it's a quick fix and avoids facing up to other issues like the fact that a lot of the indigenous population are as much of a drain on the country's resources as the immigrants.

As for the rise of the far right, SN NSR would be a good place to start ... not because it is full of neo ***** (yet), but many of you sure are impressionable as otherwise you wouldn't let yoursleves be led by the media and a few of the less savoury political parties.

 

That must be the most patronising post I have ever read, you are talking to me as though I am some 18 year old semi literate half wit. I can assure you I am not, I have first hand experience of many of the things I mentioned and work at a very high level within one of the services I mentioned.

Your response to somebody like me who disagrees with you is to accuse them of being impressionable and misled, at that point dear boy, you have obviously lost the argument

 

i debated whether we should put names to voters

 

 

You haven't read many of my other posts then

Look, apologies if you feel patronised, but I seriously believe the election is about more than just immigration and I truly do not see it as the big issue it is portrayed. I think the media are using it to stir up emotion to generate headlines.

I really do think the other issues I already mentioned are more important and we shoudl be focusing on the bigger picture.

That is all I am saying.... albeit with a bit of needle to get you all going

 

We're gonna need a bigger box

 

 

I will be voting conservative. The Lib Dems sound good at a high level, and I think Vince Cable talks a lot of sense (and has run the finance department of a seriously large company so would be a good chancellor) but some of their policies are just not realistic.

As for Labour, their slogan "A future fair for all" is just a sick joke when they are running up a massive debt to look after their own interests and leaving future generations to pick up the tab - where is the fairness in that.

 

According to the BBC election calculator, if the results of the SN Poll were reflected in the GE then the next parliament would look like this...

Conservative 619 Seats
Labour 3 seats
Lib Dem 5 Seats
Others 23 Seats

 

I reckon theyre doing well after todays debacle

Labia that is

 

I'm more shocked a politics thread has ran the course of the working day and no PSL, my prayers must of been answered

 

Other - as in UKIP.

 

While I agree with what you say in the first paragraph, it would be naive to think that everyone who sees immigration as one of the major issues has been completely influenced by the media - most people aren't that stupid, even if it sometimes seems like that!

 

and it does seem like that