View Poll Results: Do you believe in a god?
Yes
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24.76%
No
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Doesn't bother me either way
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Les, so if you'd dropped an A bomb a killed thousands would that have been a good act or bad act in the view of your god and where would you end up heaven or hell as a consequence?
That question in itself is ludicrous but lets humour the fact you're delusion makes you believe in such things.
That question in itself is ludicrous but lets humour the fact you're delusion makes you believe in such things.
I was wondering how long it would be before the question of the Bomb came up.
Firstly, the last thing I or any of my colleagues wanted was for a conflict to ever start. Our job, in common with all those associated with the military and nukes etc. on both sides was to prevent it ever happening through the auspices of "MAD".
If the other side had been so foolish as to try it on, they knew that we would not hesitate to respond in the defence of our own country and families etc. That belief was vital to the success of our defence and there is no need to mention that it worked very well. In fact it has been said that the world is a more dangerous place now that the nuclear deterrent standby has effectively ceased in comparison although of course we still have a nuclear defence capability..
You have to realise that we always had a military target but we knew of course that there would be a large loss of life due to the bombing. This would be because of an attack on our country by the other side in the first place. Our own country would be suffering the same way. We also knew that it was most likely to be a one way trip!
War is obscene as are its consequences, we were there to prevent it.
Please tell me who is always responsible for starting a war in the first place anyway. Do you really think it is down to the military or the ordinary people in a country?
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The Bibles been edited more times than the posts on scoobynet. Its just the words of some mad moderator not god.
The following passage describes the sickening practice of sex slavery. How can anyone think it is moral to sell your own daughter as a sex slave?
"" When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment". (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)
So this is what you believe in FFS i'm off to plant some beans at the bottom of the garden.
Jack
The following passage describes the sickening practice of sex slavery. How can anyone think it is moral to sell your own daughter as a sex slave?
"" When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment". (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)
So this is what you believe in FFS i'm off to plant some beans at the bottom of the garden.
Jack
When did I mention the Bible?
Work of complete fiction as far as I am concerned. It'd be interesting to hear your views on where our moral compass is centered: As I've said before: it's down to Education, and the lack of this education is being seen in modern society. It has nothing to do with people turning away from God. It's to with people turning away from each other.
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Let us get one thing straight rightaway. You do not know how I really think, I have never said so and I don't intend to. You are unwise to make assumptions about my so called "delusions".
I was wondering how long it would be before the question of the Bomb came up.
Firstly, the last thing I or any of my colleagues wanted was for a conflict to ever start. Our job, in common with all those associated with the military and nukes etc. on both sides was to prevent it ever happening through the auspices of "MAD".
If the other side had been so foolish as to try it on, they knew that we would not hesitate to respond in the defence of our own country and families etc. That belief was vital to the success of our defence and there is no need to mention that it worked very well. In fact it has been said that the world is a more dangerous place now that the nuclear deterrent standby has effectively ceased in comparison although of course we still have a nuclear defence capability..
You have to realise that we always had a military target but we knew of course that there would be a large loss of life due to the bombing. This would be because of an attack on our country by the other side in the first place. Our own country would be suffering the same way. We also knew that it was most likely to be a one way trip!
War is obscene as are its consequences, we were there to prevent it.
Please tell me who is always responsible for starting a war in the first place anyway. Do you really think it is down to the military or the ordinary people in a country?
Les
I was wondering how long it would be before the question of the Bomb came up.
Firstly, the last thing I or any of my colleagues wanted was for a conflict to ever start. Our job, in common with all those associated with the military and nukes etc. on both sides was to prevent it ever happening through the auspices of "MAD".
If the other side had been so foolish as to try it on, they knew that we would not hesitate to respond in the defence of our own country and families etc. That belief was vital to the success of our defence and there is no need to mention that it worked very well. In fact it has been said that the world is a more dangerous place now that the nuclear deterrent standby has effectively ceased in comparison although of course we still have a nuclear defence capability..
You have to realise that we always had a military target but we knew of course that there would be a large loss of life due to the bombing. This would be because of an attack on our country by the other side in the first place. Our own country would be suffering the same way. We also knew that it was most likely to be a one way trip!
War is obscene as are its consequences, we were there to prevent it.
Please tell me who is always responsible for starting a war in the first place anyway. Do you really think it is down to the military or the ordinary people in a country?
Les
So you lost your faith in god to protect you and took it upon yourself to break his rules
Commands: live in peace and union with our neighbor, to respect his rights, to seek his spiritual and bodily welfare, and to take proper care of our own life and health; controlling one's anger. Forbids: all willful murder, suicide, abortion, euthanasia, artificial contraception, sterilization, cloning, endangering life and limb of self or others, fighting, anger, hatred, revenge, and bad example.
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When did I mention the Bible? Work of complete fiction as far as I am concerned.
It'd be interesting to hear your views on where our moral compass is centered: As I've said before: it's down to Education, and the lack of this education is being seen in modern society. It has nothing to do with people turning away from God. It's to with people turning away from each other.
Work of complete fiction as far as I am concerned. It'd be interesting to hear your views on where our moral compass is centered: As I've said before: it's down to Education, and the lack of this education is being seen in modern society. It has nothing to do with people turning away from God. It's to with people turning away from each other.
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Let us get one thing straight rightaway. You do not know how I really think, I have never said so and I don't intend to. You are unwise to make assumptions about my so called "delusions".
I was wondering how long it would be before the question of the Bomb came up.
Firstly, the last thing I or any of my colleagues wanted was for a conflict to ever start. Our job, in common with all those associated with the military and nukes etc. on both sides was to prevent it ever happening through the auspices of "MAD".
If the other side had been so foolish as to try it on, they knew that we would not hesitate to respond in the defence of our own country and families etc. That belief was vital to the success of our defence and there is no need to mention that it worked very well. In fact it has been said that the world is a more dangerous place now that the nuclear deterrent standby has effectively ceased in comparison although of course we still have a nuclear defence capability..
You have to realise that we always had a military target but we knew of course that there would be a large loss of life due to the bombing. This would be because of an attack on our country by the other side in the first place. Our own country would be suffering the same way. We also knew that it was most likely to be a one way trip!
War is obscene as are its consequences, we were there to prevent it.
Please tell me who is always responsible for starting a war in the first place anyway. Do you really think it is down to the military or the ordinary people in a country?
Les
I was wondering how long it would be before the question of the Bomb came up.
Firstly, the last thing I or any of my colleagues wanted was for a conflict to ever start. Our job, in common with all those associated with the military and nukes etc. on both sides was to prevent it ever happening through the auspices of "MAD".
If the other side had been so foolish as to try it on, they knew that we would not hesitate to respond in the defence of our own country and families etc. That belief was vital to the success of our defence and there is no need to mention that it worked very well. In fact it has been said that the world is a more dangerous place now that the nuclear deterrent standby has effectively ceased in comparison although of course we still have a nuclear defence capability..
You have to realise that we always had a military target but we knew of course that there would be a large loss of life due to the bombing. This would be because of an attack on our country by the other side in the first place. Our own country would be suffering the same way. We also knew that it was most likely to be a one way trip!
War is obscene as are its consequences, we were there to prevent it.
Please tell me who is always responsible for starting a war in the first place anyway. Do you really think it is down to the military or the ordinary people in a country?
Les
I prefer to take your stance that you look after your friends and family and you protect what YOU believe to be right and just. Much better than trying to adhere to some overlord who can pass judgement on your actions through some warped set of rules.
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If you haven't got anything grown up to contribute why don't you just ignore this thread? dl
This is not aimed at any one person but I find the lack of respect shown by some posters to Leslie and David disappointing. Whilst they may just be names on a screen a few of you may like to look at what they have done in their lives and accord a little courtesy. This is a touchy subject and there will always be a difference of opinion but one doesn't have to lose civility.
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Oh and while you are at it find a sense of humour
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You are making a whole bunch of assumptions purely in an effort to support your own statements.
In the first place you don't know how I think personally and what I believe either. You have no idea of my own train of thought on these matters and don't bother to ask because I will not enter a discussion with no chance of a conclusion one way or another. I do not feel the need to justify myself nor do I have any interest whatsoever in trying to influence your own mind.
You once again rudely call me delusional. Even though you don't know how I think, that is a seriously bad accusation in my book.
How do you imagine I was able to cope with a complicated and very demanding job for so many years if I was mentally disturbed? You should be very much more careful what you say about people, especially those you have never even met!
If you ever think about it in an honest fashion, you might be able to work out that all those religions started all over the world amongst widely differing peoples and they put thier own credence on how they run their own style of worship, and why not?
Finally, just show me where I have attempted to tell you how you personally should think with respect to the subject in question. You are just trotting out all the stale old arguments without even considering how to apply them!
If you look back and read what I have said, I deliberately said that I had no wish to convert anyone at all, but what I did request was that we should all be respected for our own beliefs about religion and that neither one side or the other should be on the attack over such a contentious subject. No good will ever come out of that.
If that is too complicated for you, let me say that you just go ahead and believe what you want, but wind your neck in and leave other people alone instead of trying to change their way of thinking to that of yours by unpleasant ridicule.
Les
In the first place you don't know how I think personally and what I believe either. You have no idea of my own train of thought on these matters and don't bother to ask because I will not enter a discussion with no chance of a conclusion one way or another. I do not feel the need to justify myself nor do I have any interest whatsoever in trying to influence your own mind.
You once again rudely call me delusional. Even though you don't know how I think, that is a seriously bad accusation in my book.
How do you imagine I was able to cope with a complicated and very demanding job for so many years if I was mentally disturbed? You should be very much more careful what you say about people, especially those you have never even met!
If you ever think about it in an honest fashion, you might be able to work out that all those religions started all over the world amongst widely differing peoples and they put thier own credence on how they run their own style of worship, and why not?
Finally, just show me where I have attempted to tell you how you personally should think with respect to the subject in question. You are just trotting out all the stale old arguments without even considering how to apply them!
If you look back and read what I have said, I deliberately said that I had no wish to convert anyone at all, but what I did request was that we should all be respected for our own beliefs about religion and that neither one side or the other should be on the attack over such a contentious subject. No good will ever come out of that.
If that is too complicated for you, let me say that you just go ahead and believe what you want, but wind your neck in and leave other people alone instead of trying to change their way of thinking to that of yours by unpleasant ridicule.
Les
All that indoctrination shh works bizarrely well on many humans - there is a gaping brain hole that is exploited by the canny few Imams/Archbishops/Witch Doctors/local vicar etc that plug it. They mostly enjoy it too! Bingo!
None of this is disparaging to you as a very balanced normal individual! It is just the way I and others analyse things. I think that makes it all ok and not personally antagonistic as the world continues to change. My kids wont go to Sunday school like me or my parents. They will be fed values and morals by me to equal standards but minus the corporate like instituitional hypocrisy and BS that I dont forgive (paedo priests for e.g. or the millions that have been killed in the name of...). It ends with my generation for us.
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. I was only making a point that very intelligent people who are clearly not considered fools can believe in a god.
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I think if you are looking for someone to prove the existence of god, you will be waiting a long time, this however does not mean there is no god.
We humans can be somewhat arrogant in claiming science proves the non-existence of a higher being / order. Science has the answer for less than 0.0000000000001% of what there is to be learned, so it's utter clap trap to suggest that this is proof.
I'm no believer in organised religion, I find it frankly obsurd, and of course the historical 'control' used by the big religions has already been discussed on here.
My view on religion is somewhat complicated, I believe there is more to us than flesh and bone, and I find our existence completely illogical in the absense of a greater purpose.
I believe in spirituality, I believe that all the great religions (when you strip away all the dogma), all say the same thing....live a good life, help other people and you will progress faster than those who don't. I believe that someone called Jesus existed..was he the 'son of god'? Well IMO no, no more than anyone else is!
Do I believe in God?? Well depends how you define god I suppose, as a person, no, as a spiritual aspiration then yes.
As for the Devil question earlier. There is no devil, there is no evil, there is just an absense of good.
Wow I'm a real nut bar tonight
We humans can be somewhat arrogant in claiming science proves the non-existence of a higher being / order. Science has the answer for less than 0.0000000000001% of what there is to be learned, so it's utter clap trap to suggest that this is proof.
I'm no believer in organised religion, I find it frankly obsurd, and of course the historical 'control' used by the big religions has already been discussed on here.
My view on religion is somewhat complicated, I believe there is more to us than flesh and bone, and I find our existence completely illogical in the absense of a greater purpose.
I believe in spirituality, I believe that all the great religions (when you strip away all the dogma), all say the same thing....live a good life, help other people and you will progress faster than those who don't. I believe that someone called Jesus existed..was he the 'son of god'? Well IMO no, no more than anyone else is!
Do I believe in God?? Well depends how you define god I suppose, as a person, no, as a spiritual aspiration then yes.
As for the Devil question earlier. There is no devil, there is no evil, there is just an absense of good.
Wow I'm a real nut bar tonight
Nobody is saying science proves the non existence of a higher being. All anybody has said is that Science is the pursuit of knowledge and understanding. It's the god brigade who like to make it a science v god debate and then put the onus on people to prove their god doesn't exist.
In the absence of explanation the reasoning that it therefore must be 'god' until proved otherwise is frankly ridiculous.
In the absence of explanation the reasoning that it therefore must be 'god' until proved otherwise is frankly ridiculous.
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Nobody is saying science proves the non existence of a higher being. All anybody has said is that Science is the pursuit of knowledge and understanding. It's the god brigade who like to make it a science v god debate and then put the onus on people to prove their god doesn't exist.
In the absence of explanation the reasoning that it therefore must be 'god' until proved otherwise is frankly ridiculous.
In the absence of explanation the reasoning that it therefore must be 'god' until proved otherwise is frankly ridiculous.
There is of course lots of evidence of 'good', so something is going on
I think if you are looking for someone to prove the existence of god, you will be waiting a long time, this however does not mean there is no god.
We humans can be somewhat arrogant in claiming science proves the non-existence of a higher being / order. Science has the answer for less than 0.0000000000001% of what there is to be learned, so it's utter clap trap to suggest that this is proof.
I'm no believer in organised religion, I find it frankly obsurd, and of course the historical 'control' used by the big religions has already been discussed on here.
My view on religion is somewhat complicated, I believe there is more to us than flesh and bone, and I find our existence completely illogical in the absense of a greater purpose.
I believe in spirituality, I believe that all the great religions (when you strip away all the dogma), all say the same thing....live a good life, help other people and you will progress faster than those who don't. I believe that someone called Jesus existed..was he the 'son of god'? Well IMO no, no more than anyone else is!
Do I believe in God?? Well depends how you define god I suppose, as a person, no, as a spiritual aspiration then yes.
As for the Devil question earlier. There is no devil, there is no evil, there is just an absense of good.
Wow I'm a real nut bar tonight
We humans can be somewhat arrogant in claiming science proves the non-existence of a higher being / order. Science has the answer for less than 0.0000000000001% of what there is to be learned, so it's utter clap trap to suggest that this is proof.
I'm no believer in organised religion, I find it frankly obsurd, and of course the historical 'control' used by the big religions has already been discussed on here.
My view on religion is somewhat complicated, I believe there is more to us than flesh and bone, and I find our existence completely illogical in the absense of a greater purpose.
I believe in spirituality, I believe that all the great religions (when you strip away all the dogma), all say the same thing....live a good life, help other people and you will progress faster than those who don't. I believe that someone called Jesus existed..was he the 'son of god'? Well IMO no, no more than anyone else is!
Do I believe in God?? Well depends how you define god I suppose, as a person, no, as a spiritual aspiration then yes.
As for the Devil question earlier. There is no devil, there is no evil, there is just an absense of good.
Wow I'm a real nut bar tonight
You do see the contradiction in those highlighted terms? You speak of Human arrogance, and then say that we must be here for some higher purpose....
There is NO logic to our existence. We just are. Get that idea straight and then you can move onto just doing things for altruistic reasons not because of the alleged existence of a higher being.
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So you lost your faith in god to protect you and took it upon yourself to break his rules
Commands: live in peace and union with our neighbor, to respect his rights, to seek his spiritual and bodily welfare, and to take proper care of our own life and health; controlling one's anger. Forbids: all willful murder, suicide, abortion, euthanasia, artificial contraception, sterilization, cloning, endangering life and limb of self or others, fighting, anger, hatred, revenge, and bad example.
Commands: live in peace and union with our neighbor, to respect his rights, to seek his spiritual and bodily welfare, and to take proper care of our own life and health; controlling one's anger. Forbids: all willful murder, suicide, abortion, euthanasia, artificial contraception, sterilization, cloning, endangering life and limb of self or others, fighting, anger, hatred, revenge, and bad example.
It is pretty obvious that you are just looking for anything to undermine what I have said in this thread. You must be a bit short of ideas!
How can you possibly criticise anyone for the defence of their country and their family.
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Les, I have total respect for what you did and what the guys with you were doing. In the terms of judgement being passed on you and your actions by some all seeing being then as with all wars where each side believes their cause to be just who's side does 'god' take? It just doesn't work does it.
I prefer to take your stance that you look after your friends and family and you protect what YOU believe to be right and just. Much better than trying to adhere to some overlord who can pass judgement on your actions through some warped set of rules.
I prefer to take your stance that you look after your friends and family and you protect what YOU believe to be right and just. Much better than trying to adhere to some overlord who can pass judgement on your actions through some warped set of rules.
Les
This is what you said Martin which I took exception to. the more we understand about this world and the universe more people are moving away from the belief in a 'god' as proven by this poll. Hopefully as we understand even more that trend continues.
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Les, obfuscation I'm afraid! You tackle bad presentation not the root of this chat. There is no way on earth you want your credo, position and conditioned thought behaviour challenged (especially if in a poorly mannered and seemingly clumsy/blunt way). I understand that. However the other side tried it on me and they are trying it on my kids now. The 'faith thing' works even better in poorer countries and in bigger gangs/groups/sects that seemingly share a common theme/cause/accusation.
All that indoctrination shh works bizarrely well on many humans - there is a gaping brain hole that is exploited by the canny few Imams/Archbishops/Witch Doctors/local vicar etc that plug it. They mostly enjoy it too! Bingo!
None of this is disparaging to you as a very balanced normal individual! It is just the way I and others analyse things. I think that makes it all ok and not personally antagonistic as the world continues to change. My kids wont go to Sunday school like me or my parents. They will be fed values and morals by me to equal standards but minus the corporate like instituitional hypocrisy and BS that I dont forgive (paedo priests for e.g. or the millions that have been killed in the name of...). It ends with my generation for us.
D
All that indoctrination shh works bizarrely well on many humans - there is a gaping brain hole that is exploited by the canny few Imams/Archbishops/Witch Doctors/local vicar etc that plug it. They mostly enjoy it too! Bingo!
None of this is disparaging to you as a very balanced normal individual! It is just the way I and others analyse things. I think that makes it all ok and not personally antagonistic as the world continues to change. My kids wont go to Sunday school like me or my parents. They will be fed values and morals by me to equal standards but minus the corporate like instituitional hypocrisy and BS that I dont forgive (paedo priests for e.g. or the millions that have been killed in the name of...). It ends with my generation for us.
D
You are right when you say I was commenting on the "presentation" from others. I did make that clear right from the beginning. I did say that I would not try to convert anyone to my thinking about these matters and I also said that I was not prepared to enter a religious argument since there is never going to be an incontrovertible answer to it all. I also say that one's beliefes are one's own affair.
I never set out to justify or decry anyone's beliefs, no point at all in that is there. I also have deliberately not set out my own beliefs, they are my own affair.
The one thing that I was objecting too was the attacks on some and attempts to portay them even as being mentally demented. What kind of a way is that to try to win an argument? Apart from displaying a lack of an opposing argument it demonstrates a complete lack of what was once known as just "Good Manners"! Of course I expect I shall be castigated for saying that, maybe even as yet another attack with regard to what was being discussed. I also don't care if I am accused of being old fashioned or behind the times for mentioning it. I do regret that the "times" have deteriorated to such a degree that this sort of behaviour is regarded as the way to go!
I personally don't care what others wish to believe in and also would not regard it as a reason to dislike anyone as long as it did not encourage any unfair pain or damage to anyone. As I say, just an example of the good old fashioned "Natural Law" that we used to regard as being important.
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All the knowledge we have gained so far proves nothing one way or the other.
As we see, the answer is usually down to the belief of the individual.
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When did I mention the Bible? Work of complete fiction as far as I am concerned.
It'd be interesting to hear your views on where our moral compass is centered: As I've said before: it's down to Education, and the lack of this education is being seen in modern society. It has nothing to do with people turning away from God. It's to with people turning away from each other.
Work of complete fiction as far as I am concerned. It'd be interesting to hear your views on where our moral compass is centered: As I've said before: it's down to Education, and the lack of this education is being seen in modern society. It has nothing to do with people turning away from God. It's to with people turning away from each other.
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This is not aimed at any one person but I find the lack of respect shown by some posters to Leslie and David disappointing. Whilst they may just be names on a screen a few of you may like to look at what they have done in their lives and accord a little courtesy. This is a touchy subject and there will always be a difference of opinion but one doesn't have to lose civility.
Les
On the other hand, whatever is discovered in the name of science in the future, I reckon there will always be inexplicable events. Where did the singularity which filled the empty space and set off the Universe come from? Will we ever understand the force of Life and how that started?
All the knowledge we have gained so far proves nothing one way or the other.
As we see, the answer is usually down to the belief of the individual.
Les
All the knowledge we have gained so far proves nothing one way or the other.
As we see, the answer is usually down to the belief of the individual.
Les
I'm saying that we have not yet if we ever will discover the reason for it all. I'm not making any assumptions or hypotheses.
Now if you believe what I've said to be the case and if it was a science experiment you would be required to provide evidence to back up your hypothesis. You cant so your assumption is currently invalid.
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Martin, it is logically impossible to prove something DOESN'T exist. So Science will never try.
You do see the contradiction in those highlighted terms? You speak of Human arrogance, and then say that we must be here for some higher purpose....
There is NO logic to our existence. We just are. Get that idea straight and then you can move onto just doing things for altruistic reasons not because of the alleged existence of a higher being.
You do see the contradiction in those highlighted terms? You speak of Human arrogance, and then say that we must be here for some higher purpose....
There is NO logic to our existence. We just are. Get that idea straight and then you can move onto just doing things for altruistic reasons not because of the alleged existence of a higher being.
The logical conclusion to your view is that there is no point to existence and thereofre no point to anything other than self interest, afterall there can be no consequence for being a completely selfish person only interested getting the maximum for ones self from our 'one shot' at existence. All of which makes existence kind of pointless does it not?
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What a waste of time that was. Now you are really scraping the barrel!
It is pretty obvious that you are just looking for anything to undermine what I have said in this thread. You must be a bit short of ideas!
How can you possibly criticise anyone for the defence of their country and their family.
Les
It is pretty obvious that you are just looking for anything to undermine what I have said in this thread. You must be a bit short of ideas!
How can you possibly criticise anyone for the defence of their country and their family.
Les
Les you say you believe in god ,so if you don't live by his rules which bit of god do you trust/believe in. You can't have it all ways and just follow the bits you want and then say you believe in god.If you truely believe you'd follow his ways
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Well I find it impossible to expalin consciousness as the lump of meat between our ears and some electrical pulses, that for me is illogical.
The logical conclusion to your view is that there is no point to existence and thereofre no point to anything other than self interest, afterall there can be no consequence for being a completely selfish person only interested getting the maximum for ones self from our 'one shot' at existence. All of which makes existence kind of pointless does it not?
The logical conclusion to your view is that there is no point to existence and thereofre no point to anything other than self interest, afterall there can be no consequence for being a completely selfish person only interested getting the maximum for ones self from our 'one shot' at existence. All of which makes existence kind of pointless does it not?
The logical conclusion to my view is not that there is no point to existence and that people can be selfish with no consequence - that's your personal conclusion, and an incorrect one in my opinion.
Look futher back and see what my views on Libetarianism are and you'll see what I think about actions and consequences.
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Just because you can't explain something, it doesn't make it illogical. It just means you don't understand it. Some people don't know why the sky is blue or sunsets are red (to think of a recent example I answered) but the reason is logical, whether you know the science behind it or not.
The logical conclusion to my view is not that there is no point to existence and that people can be selfish with no consequence - that's your personal conclusion, and an incorrect one in my opinion.
Look futher back and see what my views on Libetarianism are and you'll see what I think about actions and consequences.
The logical conclusion to my view is not that there is no point to existence and that people can be selfish with no consequence - that's your personal conclusion, and an incorrect one in my opinion.
Look futher back and see what my views on Libetarianism are and you'll see what I think about actions and consequences.
But there is surely no point at all to libetarianism if existence is meaningless - why bother hedonism all the way surely?