Mac Vs PC
04 March 2010, 08:56 PM
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04 March 2010, 08:58 PM
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I had a pc to back in the day when a 9600kps modem was cool, and that to download "****" from "thehun" would take 2mins for just a lo res pic that started at the head and worked downwards, by the time you got to the feet, it was 5mins 
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I then went through 3 different macs (as I posted earlier) and then switched back to PC. I have not looked back for reasons I've already put...
!! !I then went through 3 different macs (as I posted earlier) and then switched back to PC. I have not looked back for reasons I've already put...
04 March 2010, 08:58 PM
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Everyone goes on about the lack of Flash on the iPhone.....am I the only one who doesn't care??
I've never needed it, I don't want any rogue developers using Flash to try and exploit my iPhone.
I've never needed it, I don't want any rogue developers using Flash to try and exploit my iPhone.
04 March 2010, 09:04 PM
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Yes there's flash, but I use this as Flash sucks ClickToFlash
Maybe I need to look into this more, but VP6 Flash to me is video streaming using highly effective long gop MP4 codecs. Bad?
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04 March 2010, 09:05 PM
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I hate it with a passion, good for adverts and advert laden crap games. See my post above. Most video sites offer alternatives now, Youtube videos show in Quicktime in my browser and Vimeo is moving to HTML 5. Virgin has dropped flash too. Give it a year and we can kiss goodbye to Flash forever.
Remember, if there's a crash, it's usually Flash.
Remember, if there's a crash, it's usually Flash.
04 March 2010, 09:13 PM
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Just to add my thoughts..........................
Mac vs PC is very similar to Impreza vs Evo..............
No matter how many people say Evo's are better, they simply aren't! And its the same with Macs. All you have to do is look at the sales figures............
How many macs have been sold compared to pcs? I think they are losing the battle.
As are the evo owners for that matter. Surely if they were better then more people would have bought them?
Mac vs PC is very similar to Impreza vs Evo..............
No matter how many people say Evo's are better, they simply aren't! And its the same with Macs. All you have to do is look at the sales figures............
How many macs have been sold compared to pcs? I think they are losing the battle.
As are the evo owners for that matter. Surely if they were better then more people would have bought them?
In 2009 Mac sales did initially fall quite badly, but by the end of 2009 there were record desktop sales.
Your comments on PCs are somewhat misleading. Most (any) premium price PC manufacturers would be pleased with 2.6million units a quarter.
There are hundreds if not thousands of PC manufacturers with machines running Windows. And Windows based PCs run from a couple of hundred dollars at the discount end of the market, alongside netbooks, up to high end power machines and games machines.
You are not comparing like with like.
I believe Apple run at around 10% of market share of the PC marketplace - that is staggeringly good performance for a premium priced unit that is way above the average price of a PC.
What other premium PC manufacturer competes?
So, are they losing the battle?
04 March 2010, 09:26 PM
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Yes bluetooth is built in and works fine.
04 March 2010, 10:46 PM
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04 March 2010, 10:54 PM
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Macs are alright but are a bit of an irrelevance, they are nice to use and look nice but not significantly better than Windows nowadays, I cant be bothered with locking myself into Apple.
The business world runs on PC's running Windows, a fair proportion of the server market is Windows and very stable it is too these days, I managee databases for a living and I don't think there is a version of any database for Apple, it just doesnt do enterprise, they are good for media types, people with expensive coffee machines and those who consider themselves to deserve better than a pc, personally being a bit of an inverted snob I like my blue collar pc's and if it means I never have to go in the Apple shop its all good, Apple shops are like Bennetton or Gap adverts from the 90's, so achingly trendy it makes me grind my teeth.
The business world runs on PC's running Windows, a fair proportion of the server market is Windows and very stable it is too these days, I managee databases for a living and I don't think there is a version of any database for Apple, it just doesnt do enterprise, they are good for media types, people with expensive coffee machines and those who consider themselves to deserve better than a pc, personally being a bit of an inverted snob I like my blue collar pc's and if it means I never have to go in the Apple shop its all good, Apple shops are like Bennetton or Gap adverts from the 90's, so achingly trendy it makes me grind my teeth.
04 March 2010, 11:02 PM
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04 March 2010, 11:16 PM
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No, MACs didn't catch on because people didn't want to use them for whatever reason. That's why people use PCs more. The analogy to Bentleys is not right. Both systems started around the same time, the masses chose Windows.
You need a small history lesson first
Macs were the dominant platform when they were launched and it was only when the big blue IBM came into the market that they wanted an OS to run and compete against Apple. Along came Microsoft and missing out on an opportunity, Apple turned down the OS and instead MS licensed it. The smartest and best move they ever did and the dumbest thing Apple did. But hey ho, IBM sold millions and when you used one at work, it made sense to have one at home. Cue gazzillions of PC running windows.
I have of course precis' a lot of history into a small paragraph but you get the gist
The reason MACs cost more now is because they cannot sell as many so have to have a higher pricing policy.
Not true. Apple never wanted to sell at the mass market lower end of the market as 1) they do both hardware and software and so need to keep a tight rein on how they work and integrate together.
2) the look and feel of the mac is a high priority which in turn carries a higher cost due to cost of materials etc.
3) They concentrate on the higher margin per unit sold than higher turnover. If they can make as much money on a single unit than it takes HP on 10 then that is their business model. It may not be right but that is how they do it
They effectively lost out to Microsoft. Also, if it wasn't for Microsoft giving a big injection of income to Apple in the 90s, they may not be around now
Close, but in fact MS need Apple around just as much as Apple needed MS then. The Apple Office market is quite useful to MS and in fact the largest amount of Apple developers outside Cupertino are actually at Redmond, home to Microsoft at the MBU.
MACs are only secure because the real benefit to hackers is to target the largest audience, which of course, is Windows PCs!
True
So, you have something which is loads more expensive, you can't tinker or customise as much, and you can't get most of the decent apps for.
Not exactly that much more expensive , you can tinker with as much as you want in terms of the OS if you really need to as it is essentially Unix and there are tons of apps that will cover most of what the average person needs
Unless you use Photoshop or Premiere for a living, you have paid through the nose to surf the internet and send email
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But we do it so much nicely
[Awaits indignant MAC users responses]
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You need a small history lesson first
Macs were the dominant platform when they were launched and it was only when the big blue IBM came into the market that they wanted an OS to run and compete against Apple. Along came Microsoft and missing out on an opportunity, Apple turned down the OS and instead MS licensed it. The smartest and best move they ever did and the dumbest thing Apple did. But hey ho, IBM sold millions and when you used one at work, it made sense to have one at home. Cue gazzillions of PC running windows.
I have of course precis' a lot of history into a small paragraph but you get the gist
The reason MACs cost more now is because they cannot sell as many so have to have a higher pricing policy.
Not true. Apple never wanted to sell at the mass market lower end of the market as 1) they do both hardware and software and so need to keep a tight rein on how they work and integrate together.
2) the look and feel of the mac is a high priority which in turn carries a higher cost due to cost of materials etc.
3) They concentrate on the higher margin per unit sold than higher turnover. If they can make as much money on a single unit than it takes HP on 10 then that is their business model. It may not be right but that is how they do it
They effectively lost out to Microsoft. Also, if it wasn't for Microsoft giving a big injection of income to Apple in the 90s, they may not be around now
Close, but in fact MS need Apple around just as much as Apple needed MS then. The Apple Office market is quite useful to MS and in fact the largest amount of Apple developers outside Cupertino are actually at Redmond, home to Microsoft at the MBU.
MACs are only secure because the real benefit to hackers is to target the largest audience, which of course, is Windows PCs!
True
So, you have something which is loads more expensive, you can't tinker or customise as much, and you can't get most of the decent apps for.
Not exactly that much more expensive , you can tinker with as much as you want in terms of the OS if you really need to as it is essentially Unix and there are tons of apps that will cover most of what the average person needs
Unless you use Photoshop or Premiere for a living, you have paid through the nose to surf the internet and send email
.But we do it so much nicely
[Awaits indignant MAC users responses]
Geezer
04 March 2010, 11:21 PM
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Two questions.
Why is this in muppets - it is a proper thread with graphs and everything?
Why, oh why do you suggest that Macs are an irrelevance? And indeed if Macs are so irrelevant why do they make PC owners feel so defensive?
Why is this in muppets - it is a proper thread with graphs and everything?
Why, oh why do you suggest that Macs are an irrelevance? And indeed if Macs are so irrelevant why do they make PC owners feel so defensive?
05 March 2010, 02:11 AM
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I've been pissing around with Ubuntu all bloody day. Karmic messed up the usually wonderful Remastersys without telling me. I'd brought my LAMP server to work on a Live CD that wouldn't boot! Took a few hours to get it working.
Ubuntu is great, I love it. But it's butt ugly and a challenge.
Ubuntu is great, I love it. But it's butt ugly and a challenge.
05 March 2010, 10:36 AM
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I use PC and Mac in my job, I CHOOSE Mac for my personal computing. The laptop I am writing this on is now 11 years old. In that time it has fried a (Pioneer) DVD ROM drive (replace by me for £18 with a (Optiarc) DVD RW) and one HDD (again, replace by me for £35, facilitating installing a 7x bigger HDD). That's it, apart from initial purchase (tax fiddle involving PAYE making it less than £900 instead of the £1500 list at that time) it has cost me £53, oh, and £9.99 for a Bluetooth dongle as that wasn't invented when it was born. Everything I plug into it works, straight away, no installing or downloading anything to get it going. I've never read a manual for it or any other device I have used with it, as everything is so simple, intuitive and easy.
It's the same story at my w*rk, where we recently replaced our 10yo G4 Quicksilvers with Mac Pro's, for no other reason that software requirements. Our stack of Dell servers which has a 24/7 maintenance contract costing £000's a year were all replaced for the third time recently too, and a few months later they all failed for 72 hours due to Comficker. Add to that the latest updates causing no end of problems with our digital workflow (Oracle JTP database) affecting productivity and adding to the expense sheet. They will be out of date long before the Mac Pro's, which have no maintenance contract, just us using them 24/7/363. Our office PC's are on a 24 month replacement cycle, along with a permanently employed IT geek to maintain them. He has never used a Mac, and the only time he's seen one is if he comes into our dept to fix a PC, AGAIN !
I'm about ready to upgrade the laptop, which may see its demise as I launch it down the stair and claim on the house insurance I just need to finalise if I'm having the box room as an office, and thus a 27" iMac, or if my computing is to be relegated to the living room and a Mac Mini as a media PC connected to the PDP. Or both
making it less than £900 instead of the £1500 list at that time) it has cost me £53, oh, and £9.99 for a Bluetooth dongle as that wasn't invented when it was born. Everything I plug into it works, straight away, no installing or downloading anything to get it going. I've never read a manual for it or any other device I have used with it, as everything is so simple, intuitive and easy.It's the same story at my w*rk, where we recently replaced our 10yo G4 Quicksilvers with Mac Pro's, for no other reason that software requirements. Our stack of Dell servers which has a 24/7 maintenance contract costing £000's a year were all replaced for the third time recently too, and a few months later they all failed for 72 hours due to Comficker. Add to that the latest updates causing no end of problems with our digital workflow (Oracle JTP database) affecting productivity and adding to the expense sheet. They will be out of date long before the Mac Pro's, which have no maintenance contract, just us using them 24/7/363. Our office PC's are on a 24 month replacement cycle, along with a permanently employed IT geek to maintain them. He has never used a Mac, and the only time he's seen one is if he comes into our dept to fix a PC, AGAIN !
I'm about ready to upgrade the laptop, which may see its demise as I launch it down the stair and claim on the house insurance
I just need to finalise if I'm having the box room as an office, and thus a 27" iMac, or if my computing is to be relegated to the living room and a Mac Mini as a media PC connected to the PDP. Or both
05 March 2010, 10:37 AM
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If macs really were the dogs nuts then they would sell a lot more. They might be good at graphics etc and editing but at the end of the day most people don't give a damn about that.
PC's all they way
09 March 2010, 08:53 PM
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Isn't it human nature to strive to be different?
I blame the users
I own multiple PC's, Mac's and Unix boxes. Never had a problem with any of them that I couldn't fix myself. They all do what I want them to do!
I have multiple monitors and use a program called Synergy+ to control a mac, a pc and a Ubuntu machine. Best of 3 worlds there
I blame the users
I own multiple PC's, Mac's and Unix boxes. Never had a problem with any of them that I couldn't fix myself. They all do what I want them to do!
I have multiple monitors and use a program called Synergy+ to control a mac, a pc and a Ubuntu machine. Best of 3 worlds there
10 March 2010, 09:35 AM
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Charlie Brooker pretty much summs it up
Charlie Brooker on why he hates Apple Macintosh computers | Comment is free | The Guardian
Charlie Brooker on why he hates Apple Macintosh computers | Comment is free | The Guardian
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