Cat'n'Fiddle - RIP
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From: Si hoc legere scis numium eruditionis habes
YouTube - The Cat and Fiddle on camera
For those unfamiliar with the road
Thyen these
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hqDwi0lk-Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOLPxTK5YwA
For those unfamiliar with the road
Thyen these
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hqDwi0lk-Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOLPxTK5YwA
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I am against any form of bhp limitation but it does seem a bit mental having a bike weighs about 200 kilos and getting on for 200 bhp to move it, the acceration is incomprehensible to car drivers (short of a Veyron, and even then you cant fall off the back).
I would like to see whether bikers really feel the need for that kind of power to weight to enjoy themselves, is it about bragging rights and would a bike with 100 bhp be fast enough, how often can you wind on full power on the road on a newish litre sports bike an dif you dont ever, whats the point ? I suspect like with a lot of things every few years bikers move to the next lighter and faster bike but sometimes hanker for the fun they had at slower speeds on a 400 cc bike 15 years ago, I know I miss my MK2 Golf GTI despite having had much faster stuff.
How often do sports bike riders terrify themselves and how do you stick to speed limits, at all, one tiny blip and you are past the legal limit !
I would like to see whether bikers really feel the need for that kind of power to weight to enjoy themselves, is it about bragging rights and would a bike with 100 bhp be fast enough, how often can you wind on full power on the road on a newish litre sports bike an dif you dont ever, whats the point ? I suspect like with a lot of things every few years bikers move to the next lighter and faster bike but sometimes hanker for the fun they had at slower speeds on a 400 cc bike 15 years ago, I know I miss my MK2 Golf GTI despite having had much faster stuff.
How often do sports bike riders terrify themselves and how do you stick to speed limits, at all, one tiny blip and you are past the legal limit !
The most fun I ever had on track was the day after I'd sold my Scoob and I went 3rd's on a battered old Peugeot 309 diesel. No power and mechanically on its last legs we raped it 'til its death and laughed until it hurt. I've also enjoyed 1500km in a 1.0 Fiesta, mainly down to the superb Spanish roads, and it being a rental which we all know are the fastest cars on Earth.
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Last time I was up near Hawes a biker had to lift his bike up on brow at a bend, to avoid his head slapping into my headlight.
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According to The Manchester Evening News "Since 2001 there have been 43 fatal or serious accidents on the A537". A break down of those figures is not available. But let's say half were fatal, and half of those were exceeding 50mph, that's around one death per year that may be prevented by the cameras. Not such a massive problem as being portrayed.
As most of the riders will seek their thrills elsewhere it is doubtful IMHO that any overall reduction in deaths will occur. And for that, everyone who might easily do 55mph on certain stretches will be fined and receive points. Once the camera positions are known and the timings calculated it will still be possible to go slow for a bit then fast dangerous overtakes until the next camera.
Protect the innocent by education, training and human police presence.
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I am against any form of bhp limitation but it does seem a bit mental having a bike weighs about 200 kilos and getting on for 200 bhp to move it, the acceration is incomprehensible to car drivers (short of a Veyron, and even then you cant fall off the back).
I would like to see whether bikers really feel the need for that kind of power to weight to enjoy themselves, is it about bragging rights and would a bike with 100 bhp be fast enough, how often can you wind on full power on the road on a newish litre sports bike an dif you dont ever, whats the point ? I suspect like with a lot of things every few years bikers move to the next lighter and faster bike but sometimes hanker for the fun they had at slower speeds on a 400 cc bike 15 years ago, I know I miss my MK2 Golf GTI despite having had much faster stuff.
How often do sports bike riders terrify themselves and how do you stick to speed limits, at all, one tiny blip and you are past the legal limit !
I would like to see whether bikers really feel the need for that kind of power to weight to enjoy themselves, is it about bragging rights and would a bike with 100 bhp be fast enough, how often can you wind on full power on the road on a newish litre sports bike an dif you dont ever, whats the point ? I suspect like with a lot of things every few years bikers move to the next lighter and faster bike but sometimes hanker for the fun they had at slower speeds on a 400 cc bike 15 years ago, I know I miss my MK2 Golf GTI despite having had much faster stuff.
How often do sports bike riders terrify themselves and how do you stick to speed limits, at all, one tiny blip and you are past the legal limit !
Most hot hatches now, although heavier, have 220/230bhp as std and are easily modded up to 300. I sometimes scare myself with how quick I can get my ST up to the higher speeds compared to older cars.
The last one on the A682, a biker overtook a line of cars and couldn't see a small sports car in a blind dip and hit him head on - biker died and the driver was seriously injured - a friend of mine was first on the scene and she said it was awful, guy was trapped in the car and bleeding a lot.
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Not sure how you read that into my post. Not an error at all, deliberate action generally. I'm pointing out that the police say 'many' riders never return home.
According to The Manchester Evening News "Since 2001 there have been 43 fatal or serious accidents on the A537". A break down of those figures is not available. But let's say half were fatal, and half of those were exceeding 50mph, that's around one death per year that may be prevented by the cameras. Not such a massive problem as being portrayed.
As most of the riders will seek their thrills elsewhere it is doubtful IMHO that any overall reduction in deaths will occur. And for that, everyone who might easily do 55mph on certain stretches will be fined and receive points. Once the camera positions are known and the timings calculated it will still be possible to go slow for a bit then fast dangerous overtakes until the next camera.
Protect the innocent by education, training and human police presence.
According to The Manchester Evening News "Since 2001 there have been 43 fatal or serious accidents on the A537". A break down of those figures is not available. But let's say half were fatal, and half of those were exceeding 50mph, that's around one death per year that may be prevented by the cameras. Not such a massive problem as being portrayed.
As most of the riders will seek their thrills elsewhere it is doubtful IMHO that any overall reduction in deaths will occur. And for that, everyone who might easily do 55mph on certain stretches will be fined and receive points. Once the camera positions are known and the timings calculated it will still be possible to go slow for a bit then fast dangerous overtakes until the next camera.
Protect the innocent by education, training and human police presence.
I agree with what you say about education and training, but that is as long as those riders are prepared to accept it.
As you say, police presence would go a long way to dissuade some of them from pushing their luck and everyone else's too.
Les
I wasn't just aiming that at bikes, modern cars limits are also much further up than they ever were - back in the day, hustling a 90bhp 205 GTI 1.6 along a road was exciting, and you could do it within the speed and road limits and have lots of fun.
Most hot hatches now, although heavier, have 220/230bhp as std and are easily modded up to 300. I sometimes scare myself with how quick I can get my ST up to the higher speeds compared to older cars.
How do you protect the innocent though? I've witnessed quite a few bike accidents now living where I do and it's often just luck that nobody else has been killed.
The last one on the A682, a biker overtook a line of cars and couldn't see a small sports car in a blind dip and hit him head on - biker died and the driver was seriously injured - a friend of mine was first on the scene and she said it was awful, guy was trapped in the car and bleeding a lot.
Most hot hatches now, although heavier, have 220/230bhp as std and are easily modded up to 300. I sometimes scare myself with how quick I can get my ST up to the higher speeds compared to older cars.
How do you protect the innocent though? I've witnessed quite a few bike accidents now living where I do and it's often just luck that nobody else has been killed.
The last one on the A682, a biker overtook a line of cars and couldn't see a small sports car in a blind dip and hit him head on - biker died and the driver was seriously injured - a friend of mine was first on the scene and she said it was awful, guy was trapped in the car and bleeding a lot.
Yes, its true of cars as well, but bikes were always mental, just nowadays they border on insanity.
I am avoiding driving now I have six points, saving it for when I need to, I dont feel I can get my foot down at all now
Still enjoy the cycling, can go flat out everywhere and still not get nicked.
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Indeed compare the (huge amount of) money spent on superfluous road signs versus that spent on the worn-out road surface - and decide on where funds are best spent
Contrast that with the Isle of Man, where a triangular sign (without a huge yellow backing plate) saying "bend ahead" means "there is a bend ahead, use your eyes and ensure that you continue on the tarmac at an appropriate speed".
It seems that the nanny state is creating a bumbling, useless, incompetent state which is being used to justify even more nannying
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From: Far Corfe
To be honest, its only the bits between the corners that will in effect be limited as most of the bends are less than 50mph. Try driving it without exceeding 50 its still a very challenging road and hasnt really spoilt the fun too much.
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But they are average speed cameras, they are apparently linked from beginning to end as well as each section. But as Les rightly says its the bends whether on bike or in car that are interesting and give the most pleasure. So no need to exceed 50 on this road to either get a buzz or still get killed. From what I hear a lot of the fatalities were due to overtaking.
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