scoobies and snow???
18 December 2009, 01:56 PM
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18 December 2009, 01:57 PM
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Good tip
Instead swap the fuse for a pre blown one
I always disabled the ABS in the snow to be honest, it really is crap when the white stuff is coming down.
You tend to need locked wheels to stop you in the snow anyway, as you need to build up a little snow bank in front of the tyres to slow you down IMO
Winter tyres is the best bet, but nobody ever bothers with them as we dont get enough of the snow to justify it.
I usually run a spare set of cheap wheels during the winter, usually something i don't care about bouncing off kerbs if needed
18 December 2009, 02:08 PM
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I disagree. I had Nokian winter tyres on last year and she would still lock up very easily in snow/ice conditions. The ABS struggles. I couldn't say I noticed the car being too different but last year was the first year of real snow with the car and the first for winter tyres. This year budget means sticking with the FK452's that are on the car now and i will continue to drive slowly and carefully when needed.
You are not telling me winter tyres have a magic way to stick to ice because they don't. They afford more grip when it is wet and cold but on ice without studs you are sailing into a ditch unless you drive carefully winter tyres or no.
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You are not telling me winter tyres have a magic way to stick to ice because they don't. They afford more grip when it is wet and cold but on ice without studs you are sailing into a ditch unless you drive carefully winter tyres or no.
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I've never tried Nokian winter tyres, so can't really comment on their performance, but give the age old saying "you get what you pay for", they may not really be the best choice of winter tyre! The other thing to remember is to judge them on their overall winter performance, not just on snow and ice, after all, most of the winter there is no snow and ice!
If the government really cared about reducing deaths and serious injuries, they would make winter tyres a legal requirement like many other European countries have. That would save far more lives than any number of speed cameras will!
18 December 2009, 02:11 PM
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You don't need any snow to justify winter tyres! If you are already running a cheap second set of rims, why not run them with winter tyres?
18 December 2009, 02:28 PM
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AS with all these threads thee's a lot of urban myths posted.
AWD will give you better traction on snow than 2wd, which may be a help using engine braking by stopping the front wheels locking giving more control when slowing down on a corner, but won't make you stop any faster.
I see lots of pictures posted of cars in about 1" of snow along with claims that "summer tyres are fine". Try driving in deeper snow with low profile summer tyres and come back and tell us how you get on.
The key to driving on lower friction surfaces is to be gentle with all control inputs, be that throttle, brake, clutch or steering. Don't be afraid of using the brakes, as it is easier to accurately modulate braking using the middle pedal than it is by lifting the clutch and using engine braking.
My DC2 Integra was better in the snow than the Impreza that preceeded it. Anything over 2 or 3 inches and the Scoob was useless. The 'Teg was on comparitively slimmer higher profile tyres and had a mechanical limited slip dif.
My current Shogun was, by comparison, pretty good in very deep snow earlier this year, even on the oem tyres. They were branded M&S, but were not winter compound. nearly got stuck once, but that was because the snow was so deep it was actually beaching, and the weight was compacting the snow under the skid plates.
Should be even better this winter as its now siting on proper winter ice/snow tyres with the right compound and a trick tread pattern designed for deep snow.
The difference the winters tyres make in cold and wet conditions (anything below around 5-7 degrees C is noticable (on a 4x4), so would be night and day on a performance car.
AWD will give you better traction on snow than 2wd, which may be a help using engine braking by stopping the front wheels locking giving more control when slowing down on a corner, but won't make you stop any faster.
I see lots of pictures posted of cars in about 1" of snow along with claims that "summer tyres are fine". Try driving in deeper snow with low profile summer tyres and come back and tell us how you get on.
The key to driving on lower friction surfaces is to be gentle with all control inputs, be that throttle, brake, clutch or steering. Don't be afraid of using the brakes, as it is easier to accurately modulate braking using the middle pedal than it is by lifting the clutch and using engine braking.
My DC2 Integra was better in the snow than the Impreza that preceeded it. Anything over 2 or 3 inches and the Scoob was useless. The 'Teg was on comparitively slimmer higher profile tyres and had a mechanical limited slip dif.
My current Shogun was, by comparison, pretty good in very deep snow earlier this year, even on the oem tyres. They were branded M&S, but were not winter compound. nearly got stuck once, but that was because the snow was so deep it was actually beaching, and the weight was compacting the snow under the skid plates.
Should be even better this winter as its now siting on proper winter ice/snow tyres with the right compound and a trick tread pattern designed for deep snow.
The difference the winters tyres make in cold and wet conditions (anything below around 5-7 degrees C is noticable (on a 4x4), so would be night and day on a performance car.
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18 December 2009, 05:04 PM
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Really skinny tyres are not required. In areas with lots of snow ( scandinavia say ) the reason that the (winter) tyres are skinny is that they are used with studs and then become effective at digging through the snow to the ice beneath which is where grip is obtained as the studs bite into it.
In the uk using proper winter tyres will vastly improve grip, having a compound that works in low temps and a slightly chunkier tread pattern that helps remove snow/slush. I have a set of 215/45 R 17 continental wintercontacts and usually have them on the car from november through to march.
In the uk using proper winter tyres will vastly improve grip, having a compound that works in low temps and a slightly chunkier tread pattern that helps remove snow/slush. I have a set of 215/45 R 17 continental wintercontacts and usually have them on the car from november through to march.
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18 December 2009, 05:21 PM
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well, as cyrusgod pointed out above, they do have a magic way to stick to ice! Obviously every tyre has its limit, just because they're better doesn't mean they're invincible.
I've never tried Nokian winter tyres, so can't really comment on their performance, but give the age old saying "you get what you pay for", they may not really be the best choice of winter tyre! The other thing to remember is to judge them on their overall winter performance, not just on snow and ice, after all, most of the winter there is no snow and ice!
I've never tried Nokian winter tyres, so can't really comment on their performance, but give the age old saying "you get what you pay for", they may not really be the best choice of winter tyre! The other thing to remember is to judge them on their overall winter performance, not just on snow and ice, after all, most of the winter there is no snow and ice!
18 December 2009, 05:23 PM
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"The siping in the Blizzak tread design improves ice traction dramatically. From a distance the tread blocks look solid but upon close examination there are separations or slots much like a pre-sliced loaf of bread. As tread blocks put pressure on the ice, a thin layer of water forms which is the primary reason gripping on ice is so difficult. The Blizzak tread block sipes open to give this water a place to go, which allows the rubber to grip the ice. At the same time, these individual slices of tread block provide more edges to increase grip."
Worth a read.. Bridgestone Blizzak Tire Review
Worth a read.. Bridgestone Blizzak Tire Review
18 December 2009, 05:47 PM
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I've only had the scooby for about 4 weeks.. never had an AWD car before, but had plenty of faster ones.. have to say the ABS seems to be a hindrance more than anything else. I am a little shocked to be honest - It felt to me (and I am no expert) that the ABS cut's in before I've even tried to brake? It's really unsettled me, even driving slow in the snow (5-10mph) when you try to brake it just comes on.
I understand about wide tyres, low profiles etc not helping... I have the bridgestone potenza's on it... are these notorious ? I found them great in the dry / damp... but wet etc, not been overly impressed. My friend has a WRX with mitchelin pilots on it, and he seems to have no traction issues at all... mine is an STI so whether it's the extra power that does me in, in the wet, not sure...
I understand about wide tyres, low profiles etc not helping... I have the bridgestone potenza's on it... are these notorious ? I found them great in the dry / damp... but wet etc, not been overly impressed. My friend has a WRX with mitchelin pilots on it, and he seems to have no traction issues at all... mine is an STI so whether it's the extra power that does me in, in the wet, not sure...
18 December 2009, 06:34 PM
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I dont get it... -8 and roads covered in snow?? Whats the problem you lads are having? I drive around without a wimper, brakes work, can corner and go up hills without thinking about it and I run 245/45's. Oh, thats right, I have winter tyres...
I have two sets of tyres and swap them over around November/April. If the Brits did this life for you all would be so much better. It would snow, the schools would stay open, the AA wouldnt be swamped and lots more people will still be alive tomorrow!!!
Time for you guys to get European me thinks. It doesnt cost you any more is safer and is just, in all honesty, smart. Its not a you versus us or we are better because we have winter tyres, its just that its winter, do you still run around in shorts, T-shirts and flip flops in winter?
I have two sets of tyres and swap them over around November/April. If the Brits did this life for you all would be so much better. It would snow, the schools would stay open, the AA wouldnt be swamped and lots more people will still be alive tomorrow!!!
Time for you guys to get European me thinks. It doesnt cost you any more is safer and is just, in all honesty, smart. Its not a you versus us or we are better because we have winter tyres, its just that its winter, do you still run around in shorts, T-shirts and flip flops in winter?
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18 December 2009, 06:36 PM
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I had a new 4x4 Mondeo in 96,the tyres on it were night and day compared to the "summer/race" tyres of today.I was overtaking cars left right and centre,braking hard into corners,cant do the same on the tyres I got now!
18 December 2009, 06:46 PM
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18 December 2009, 06:51 PM
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Two sets of tyres, a 25 quid change over fee and thats all there is too it. No extra expense is incurred as you run the same milage using two sets of tyres instead of one. I dont even have a second set of rims.
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