Octane Booster
30 October 2009, 08:33 PM
#31
Millers Ecomax
Juiced up with a splurge of Ecomax in a tankful of V-Power today in my classic Sti.
Have to say feels very good, with crisper pick-up all through the range especially pre-boost ~3K.
Have been occasionally using a bottle of Millers Octone Booster in each tank. Ecomax feels a little better I have to say.
In any case - I like it
Have to say feels very good, with crisper pick-up all through the range especially pre-boost ~3K.
Have been occasionally using a bottle of Millers Octone Booster in each tank. Ecomax feels a little better I have to say.
In any case - I like it
30 October 2009, 10:11 PM
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I bought a bottle from Halford today on my trade card and got it for £10.39 instead of £12.99
Bit early to tell if it makes any difference, but for a quid a tank, it cant do any harm.
Might up the boost a tad and watch knock activity to see if it allows a little more psi.
Bit early to tell if it makes any difference, but for a quid a tank, it cant do any harm.
Might up the boost a tad and watch knock activity to see if it allows a little more psi.
30 October 2009, 11:08 PM
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heres a pretty handy link, with a test done on the top ten octane boosters
Fuel Tech Experts :: Octane Boosters – Which is Best? :: http://www.fueltechexperts.com
Fuel Tech Experts :: Octane Boosters – Which is Best? :: http://www.fueltechexperts.com
12 December 2009, 11:01 AM
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If you use CVL-Turbo it would take three bottles per tank to add 4 RON, so it's way cheaper to buy better fuel in the first case.
HTH
dunx
P.S. As you are local I can source you some at a VERY good price
HTH
dunx
P.S. As you are local I can source you some at a VERY good price
12 December 2009, 11:27 AM
#42
Stick 5ltrs of methanol in per full tank of 95-99RON as an octane booster fuel and you're guaranteed 99+RON min. Much cheaper than any aftermarket octane booster and no mapping whatsoever needed plus you'll never see a drop of knock!!
OK so octane boosters come in nice little bottles and are easy to carry but so much of it is shown to be totally pants and not worth the money because it does very little. The only Octane booster i've heard is any good is the NF Race but once you've added 2 or 3 bottles to a tank it's starts to work out really expensive every time you fill up.
Only used Millers CVL turbo a couple of times on a totally standard fully catted WRX and i felt if anything it didn't run quite so well although i've not tried any in my WRX now it runs STi power and all the rest of it.
5% Methanol or Ethanol mix is much cheaper than a full tank of just petrol and it works!!
OK so octane boosters come in nice little bottles and are easy to carry but so much of it is shown to be totally pants and not worth the money because it does very little. The only Octane booster i've heard is any good is the NF Race but once you've added 2 or 3 bottles to a tank it's starts to work out really expensive every time you fill up.
Only used Millers CVL turbo a couple of times on a totally standard fully catted WRX and i felt if anything it didn't run quite so well although i've not tried any in my WRX now it runs STi power and all the rest of it.
5% Methanol or Ethanol mix is much cheaper than a full tank of just petrol and it works!!
12 December 2009, 11:34 AM
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"5% Methanol or Ethanol mix is much cheaper than a full tank of just petrol and it works!!"
Also far better at incinerating your house, garage, or car in an accident....
A nice little bottle is safer than a 5 litre can bouncing round your boot.
Just a thought. I agree that if you have a place to store it away from kids, dogs, the house, then fine but I don't. As for price I pay about the same as you pay for alcohol, so I'm not fussed.
As for performance, mine pulls earlier and stronger through the mid-range with additive, it has plenty of top-end anyway.
dunx
Also far better at incinerating your house, garage, or car in an accident....
A nice little bottle is safer than a 5 litre can bouncing round your boot.
Just a thought. I agree that if you have a place to store it away from kids, dogs, the house, then fine but I don't. As for price I pay about the same as you pay for alcohol, so I'm not fussed.
As for performance, mine pulls earlier and stronger through the mid-range with additive, it has plenty of top-end anyway.
dunx
12 December 2009, 11:45 AM
#44
'Horses for Courses'. Just depends on what works for you.
Rather than overpriced octance boosters i prefer to stick to Methanol or Ethanol for the few times i use it at the moment and works 100% every time.
After a reset there are absolutely no doubts it's made a big difference unlike with octane boosters that you're never quite sure about unless you can log before and after to make absolutely sure it's working, and made a difference because you can't always tell.
Rather than overpriced octance boosters i prefer to stick to Methanol or Ethanol for the few times i use it at the moment and works 100% every time.
After a reset there are absolutely no doubts it's made a big difference unlike with octane boosters that you're never quite sure about unless you can log before and after to make absolutely sure it's working, and made a difference because you can't always tell.
13 December 2009, 10:56 PM
#45
1ml of NF per litre is approximately 1 RON.
Your tank is around 60 litres so first time round add say 70mls to ensure you get a benefit of 1RON and ensure the tank is brimmed.
Thereafter add 1ml per litre of fuel added but the NF has to go in first so it mixes.
Personally I would put in 55mls NF and 50 litres NF to be sure the fuel was at 100 RON.
Your tank is around 60 litres so first time round add say 70mls to ensure you get a benefit of 1RON and ensure the tank is brimmed.
Thereafter add 1ml per litre of fuel added but the NF has to go in first so it mixes.
Personally I would put in 55mls NF and 50 litres NF to be sure the fuel was at 100 RON.
06 February 2010, 02:17 PM
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P.S. I know this is digging up an old thread, but thought some people might want the answer.
06 February 2010, 05:22 PM
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'Horses for Courses'. Just depends on what works for you.
Rather than overpriced octance boosters i prefer to stick to Methanol or Ethanol for the few times i use it at the moment and works 100% every time.
After a reset there are absolutely no doubts it's made a big difference unlike with octane boosters that you're never quite sure about unless you can log before and after to make absolutely sure it's working, and made a difference because you can't always tell.
Rather than overpriced octance boosters i prefer to stick to Methanol or Ethanol for the few times i use it at the moment and works 100% every time.
After a reset there are absolutely no doubts it's made a big difference unlike with octane boosters that you're never quite sure about unless you can log before and after to make absolutely sure it's working, and made a difference because you can't always tell.
1 can i use meth 100% of time time at 5%-10% on V power what would this take RON to.
2 same as above
3 what would be best.
Can store this no problems and can get it local.
06 February 2010, 06:16 PM
#48
Want to no more about this stuff, i use V power most of the time. But have been havin to put crap 97 ron in,
1 can i use meth 100% of time time at 5%-10% on V power what would this take RON to.
2 same as above
3 what would be best.
Can store this no problems and can get it local.
1 can i use meth 100% of time time at 5%-10% on V power what would this take RON to.
2 same as above
3 what would be best.
Can store this no problems and can get it local.
Tesco or V-Power 99RON with a 10% Methanol mix and you must be seeing 104+RON.
I've been looking at prices recently for Methanol and i'm now seen pricing of between 35ppl-90ppl depending on how much you buy. In Quantities of 200-250 ltrs i've seen it for less than 50ppl. 1000L IBC containers at 35ppl.
Much cheaper than Octane boosters
06 February 2010, 06:55 PM
#49
It's useful to carry 5ltrs in the boot regularly because if you find yourself short of fuel and in the middle of nowhere and not able to get anything other than 95RON adding 5-6ltrs (8-10%) mix of Methanol to a full tank (60ltrs Newage cars) of 95RON would likely bump the octane rating to 99/100RON+.
Tesco or V-Power 99RON with a 10% Methanol mix and you must be seeing 104+RON.
I've been looking at prices recently for Methanol and i'm now seen pricing of between 35ppl-90ppl depending on how much you buy. In Quantities of 200-250 ltrs i've seen it for less than 50ppl. 1000L IBC containers at 35ppl.
Much cheaper than Octane boosters
Tesco or V-Power 99RON with a 10% Methanol mix and you must be seeing 104+RON.
I've been looking at prices recently for Methanol and i'm now seen pricing of between 35ppl-90ppl depending on how much you buy. In Quantities of 200-250 ltrs i've seen it for less than 50ppl. 1000L IBC containers at 35ppl.
Much cheaper than Octane boosters
06 February 2010, 09:27 PM
#50
If your car is bog std a 10% mix of methanol will allow the ECU to run full timing advance across the range. Yes you can use it all the time. Factory mapped newage ECU's run very rich anyway so even though a 10% mix will lean out AFR's a bit it won't be an issue and more of a benefit actually. Come the hot weather you'll find you're hardly down on power.
06 February 2010, 09:40 PM
#51
95RON adding 5-6ltrs (8-10%) mix of Methanol to a full tank (60ltrs Newage cars) of 95RON would likely bump the octane rating to 99/100RON+.
Tesco or V-Power 99RON with a 10% Methanol mix and you must be seeing 104+RON.
Tesco or V-Power 99RON with a 10% Methanol mix and you must be seeing 104+RON.
Be very careful and think it out carefully and do not go into it without considering what you are doing.
Methanol is carcogenic.
Methanol spilt on skin/hands etc penetrates into the blood stream.
Methanol is highly volatile and fumes can ignite very easily.
Methanol burns with a clear flame so you cannot see it.
At least one of our members that I know has ended up in hospital, badly burned and badly shaken from the ignition of methanol. I understand his mobile phone was considered to be the source of ignition.
Consider whether the hassle and risks are worth while.
From testing on a specific vehicle I found that 8.5% each of methanol and toluene would add 5% to a car running 400 bhp on V-Power + NF.
06 February 2010, 11:36 PM
#52
I'm not a chemist and i don't have a knock engine so i'm just guestimating the RON value but that's based on plenty of evidence i've read via sites here and in the USA/Australia from people that have tested a wide range of exotics both in the lab and in anger, but I do know what happens when you map for Methanol/Toluene mixes and when you don't. Equally there are plenty of tuners/owners around that use Ethanol in a mix and on it's own to great effect too.
As for safety issues the same can be said for handling petrol, and many still get burned despite the warnings. When handling any flammables/corosives you have to take safety into account but it's entirely up to you if you choose not to do so therefore you accept the risks. However, that's no reason not to use it. I know people that have been making their own biodiesel at home in the garage for years and use methanol in vast quantities every day of the week without issue.
I use both Methanol and Toluene and i know 10ltrs of each mixed with a full tank of petrol and mapped for will make an extra 50bhp on a car making 430 on just V-Power and no NF. That's about a 12% increase.
A 10% mix of just methanol with 99RON works better than well known Octane boosters without mapping, and makes a very noticebale difference with mapping. IMHO it's better than Octane booster if you don't mind handling it but it's not everyone's cup of tea which is why many owners prefer octane booster in a bottle.
I will concede though that NF seems to be head and shoulders above all the other bottled octane boosters and does what is says on the bottle. I'll stick with methanol/toluene though.
As for safety issues the same can be said for handling petrol, and many still get burned despite the warnings. When handling any flammables/corosives you have to take safety into account but it's entirely up to you if you choose not to do so therefore you accept the risks. However, that's no reason not to use it. I know people that have been making their own biodiesel at home in the garage for years and use methanol in vast quantities every day of the week without issue.
I use both Methanol and Toluene and i know 10ltrs of each mixed with a full tank of petrol and mapped for will make an extra 50bhp on a car making 430 on just V-Power and no NF. That's about a 12% increase.
A 10% mix of just methanol with 99RON works better than well known Octane boosters without mapping, and makes a very noticebale difference with mapping. IMHO it's better than Octane booster if you don't mind handling it but it's not everyone's cup of tea which is why many owners prefer octane booster in a bottle.
I will concede though that NF seems to be head and shoulders above all the other bottled octane boosters and does what is says on the bottle. I'll stick with methanol/toluene though.
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06 February 2010, 11:47 PM
#53
If your car is bog std a 10% mix of methanol will allow the ECU to run full timing advance across the range. Yes you can use it all the time. Factory mapped newage ECU's run very rich anyway so even though a 10% mix will lean out AFR's a bit it won't be an issue and more of a benefit actually. Come the hot weather you'll find you're hardly down on power.
07 February 2010, 12:06 AM
#54
240bhp sounds pretty much like near std to me although i'm sure someone will correct me on this as i'm not 100% sure.
Even on mildly modified cars 10% mix is plenty and makes a nice difference without mapping for it. Any more than that and mapping would be a good idea although i think mapping for the 10% is a good idea anyway
and if anything for some more grunt low down but then you must use that 10% mix all the time otherwise the car will possibly start detting and cause damage, not good, and the ECU will pull timing anyway so you'll lose power.
It's just like running a car mapped for V Power and then running a tankful of on 95RON.
Even on mildly modified cars 10% mix is plenty and makes a nice difference without mapping for it. Any more than that and mapping would be a good idea although i think mapping for the 10% is a good idea anyway
and if anything for some more grunt low down but then you must use that 10% mix all the time otherwise the car will possibly start detting and cause damage, not good, and the ECU will pull timing anyway so you'll lose power. It's just like running a car mapped for V Power and then running a tankful of on 95RON.
07 February 2010, 05:03 PM
#56
As for safety issues the same can be said for handling petrol, and many still get burned despite the warnings. When handling any flammables/corosives you have to take safety into account but it's entirely up to you if you choose not to do so therefore you accept the risks. However, that's no reason not to use it. I know people that have been making their own biodiesel at home in the garage for years and use methanol in vast quantities every day of the week without issue.
10 January 2011, 07:10 PM
#59
Biggest hassle is carrying sufficient Methanol if you are running 20%. You need to have 12 litres to go in the tank when you do a change over. Some fuel stations will come out and object if you are putting 9,10 12 litres of something in the tank on their forecourt.
10 January 2011, 08:07 PM
#60
My question is, is it safe to use it as an OB without mapping?
Cost reasons more than anything. It would save me a 50 mile round trip and a gallon of V-Power, c.3 gallon, so getting on towards a £15 saving per fill up.
Your advise as usual will be much appreciated.
