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Old Oct 15, 2009 | 11:44 PM
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Probably would have already if the kit wasn't 25k +!

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Old Oct 20, 2009 | 06:34 PM
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Well mate..... Just curious..... have ya made a decision on your dilemma yet ?????????

Guess what.... I have the EXACT same dilemma and don't know what to do also.....

Wish you well which ever way you decide to go, and at the end of the day they are both great cars albeit in slightly different ways. lol

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Old Oct 20, 2009 | 07:35 PM
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Stolen from GTR.co.uk , but can your RS4 do this YouTube - Lucas Ordonez Let loose on Nissan GT-R!
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Old Oct 27, 2009 | 01:22 PM
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Ouch - have started seeing the first claims coming in for the GTR's now.

New bumper/splitter/intercooler..... £11.5k (intercoolers are £4.5k each!!!)

New gearbox - £28k

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Old Oct 27, 2009 | 01:41 PM
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^^ Cheap to insure then Moley

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Old Oct 27, 2009 | 01:44 PM
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^^ Cheap to insure then Moley

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They were

We haven't really insured that many, have just been looking at stats on the cars themselves.
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Old Oct 27, 2009 | 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Moley_WRX
New gearbox - £28k
Already had one of them!
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Old Oct 27, 2009 | 02:53 PM
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Already had one of them!
Was it more around the 13 Grand mark though ?

Are you happy with MH's work, found anything you dont like ?
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Old Oct 27, 2009 | 03:09 PM
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Was it more around the 13 Grand mark though ?

Are you happy with MH's work, found anything you dont like ?
Yeah think they said around 12.5k or so....

Yeah in fairness they pulled the service around after a bad start, got the car back to me ahead of schedule and after a quick moan conformed to what my expectations of the service were!.....end of the day i've got my baby back and am a happy punter once again!
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Old Oct 27, 2009 | 03:18 PM
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Was it more around the 13 Grand mark though ?
Thats sounds like a more realistic price, they guy who told me £28k may have his wires crossed.
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Old Oct 27, 2009 | 03:30 PM
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Moley....it's my understanding a new engine is £28k.......

also when is a 13k gearbox realistic haha
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Old Oct 27, 2009 | 08:02 PM
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Ouch - have started seeing the first claims coming in for the GTR's now.

New bumper/splitter/intercooler..... £11.5k (intercoolers are £4.5k each!!!)

New gearbox - £28k
Lord! Who would buy one of these out of warranty? If the £28k is for the engine, that's enough to bugger your finances for ages. Where are you meant to just conjure up close to £30k for a new engine if it goes bang?

How does Nissan justify these sort of costs when they are usually associated with hyper cars? That's why most people don't run hyper cars even if they could afford the initial (second hand) purchase price
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Old Oct 27, 2009 | 08:22 PM
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That is true but I think the whole GTR culture and interest in modifying will soon lead to new and more financially economical routes moving forward that in turn will reduce the burden of what would otherwise be costly bills, if not then I still maintain (cheesy sales voice on) you have to pay to play and these motors have to be right up there in both bang for buck and smiles per mile!!

Have you driven one yet Deep?
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Old Oct 27, 2009 | 08:51 PM
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If parts are that much I'd start up a business buying used GTRs and breaking them!
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Old Oct 27, 2009 | 09:14 PM
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I know its genuinely unbelievable but my local Nissan dealer told me that the rear diffuser / under tray, or whatever its rightly named costs 10 grand !!!! I find it very hard to believe but thats what he told me......

He also told me that Nissan were quoting the car to be worth 68% of its original value after three years...... cant believe that either cause I think what Deep Singh said will be very true.... who would buy one when its warranty expires !!!!

Still would like one though.... lol
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Old Oct 28, 2009 | 05:25 PM
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So we have a new engine at 28k, new gearbox at 12.5k, new bumper/splitter/IC at 11.5k and a rear diffuser at 10k.

That adds up to 62k just for that little lot LOL
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Would be better to buy a second one just to keep the first one running!
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Old Oct 28, 2009 | 06:13 PM
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So thats how it humbles other cars twice its price!!
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rear diffuser at 10k.
Urban myth status already...excellent.
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Originally Posted by john banks
If parts are that much I'd start up a business buying used GTRs and breaking them!
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I know its genuinely unbelievable but my local Nissan dealer told me that the rear diffuser / under tray, or whatever its rightly named costs 10 grand !!!! I find it very hard to believe but thats what he told me......
Yep

Yoza I'd put yours on Ebay and make a tidy sum, lol

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Old Oct 28, 2009 | 06:37 PM
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Engine £28k
Gearbox £13k
Intercoolers £4.5k (each)
Front bumper £1500

These prices are confirmed, not an urban myth

So there's £51.5k straight away
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Yep

Yoza I'd put yours on Ebay and make a tidy sum, lol
I was going to put a towball on mine for me horse box, I might hang fire now.
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Originally Posted by Moley_WRX
Engine £28k
Gearbox £13k
Intercoolers £4.5k (each)
Front bumper £1500

These prices are confirmed, not an urban myth

So there's £51.5k straight away
We are getting nearer now, we did start at £28K for a gearbox, and £7.5k for a front bumper.
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Old Oct 28, 2009 | 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Moley_WRX
Engine £28k
Gearbox £13k
Intercoolers £4.5k (each)
Front bumper £1500

These prices are confirmed, not an urban myth

So there's £51.5k straight away
So now that the truth is out there, the porsche is after all the better car. Less likely to break, and when it does, it doesnt cost half the budget somalia have allocated to their education system.
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Old Oct 28, 2009 | 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by alloy
That is true but I think the whole GTR culture and interest in modifying will soon lead to new and more financially economical routes moving forward that in turn will reduce the burden of what would otherwise be costly bills, if not then I still maintain (cheesy sales voice on) you have to pay to play and these motors have to be right up there in both bang for buck and smiles per mile!!

Have you driven one yet Deep?
I agree you have to pay to play, but how much you pay should reflect how much you play. If I went out and bought a car usually bought by oil sheikhs, ie lambo murcielago, zonda etc then I would expect these sorts of prices. Now I don't doubt that the GTR is a fantastic piece of kit, but its no zonda, konig' etc.

I haven't driven one yet, but have to admit I've had the odd impulse when I've woken up one morning and thought about buying one. Then I read the sorts of costs mentioned here and I think no way. As I said I do understand the pay to play concept, I've driven gp20 cars for years and my current car averages 11mpg, but the GTR seems to be on another planet.

There is also the issue of what the truth is, I'm confused. Someone like Moley (who is in the trade) gives some prices, others say its a myth. I was equally confused by the servicing costs.

Thing is this really, the whole point of the GTR is to have 997 turbo performance for less money. If however you are going to spend the difference over the years on servicing/repairs etc then hey, might as well buy the 997 turbo in the first place.

Don't get me wrong though, you own a fantastic car, no doubt.
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PovK1, tell that to my two (and only two non-intarweb Porsche owning) friends with broken engines.

Deep, for most people it doesn't seem too bad. I don't lie awake at night worrying about running costs and will not pay main dealer prices where I can avoid it.

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PovK1, tell that to my two (and only two non-intarweb Porsche owning) friends with broken engines.

Deep, for most people it doesn't seem too bad. I don't lie awake at night worrying about running costs and will not pay main dealer prices where I can avoid it.
Will you continue to own the GTR once its out of warranty? Those prices are truly shocking.
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Those are main dealer prices, I would not repair my gearbox at a main dealer if I had to pay for it though.

Engine is trickier since Nissan don't sell the parts, only complete engines and only I believe to dealers.

The failure rate is low though, a fraction of 1% of US transmissions have failed despite them having a launch control that has now been detuned. More have had the sort of solenoid problem that alloy had. One engine has failed in Europe due to an oil seal that affected early LHD build cars. One engine has failed in Australia whilst being developed by Haltech with various rumours of the cause - either very high output or downshift software fault. I get to hear about most of the faults as I work with quite a few aftermarket suppliers, which also gives me contacts if I have a failure, which I hope I won't.

Bottom line is that the ability of the GTR stock or tuned is hilarious, and also IMHO a bargain. Price increases of more than £10k with the VAT change and GBP/JPY are rumoured for next year too.

If you haven't been in one, especially if you get chance to go in one with good tuning, do because you'll find any way you can to get one, or don't because you'll never be happy with almost any other sanely priced performance car ever again.
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Originally Posted by john banks
Those are main dealer prices, I would not repair my gearbox at a main dealer if I had to pay for it though.

Engine is trickier since Nissan don't sell the parts, only complete engines and only I believe to dealers.

The failure rate is low though, a fraction of 1% of US transmissions have failed despite them having a launch control that has now been detuned. More have had the sort of solenoid problem that alloy had. One engine has failed in Europe due to an oil seal that affected early LHD build cars. One engine has failed in Australia whilst being developed by Haltech with various rumours of the cause - either very high output or downshift software fault. I get to hear about most of the faults as I work with quite a few aftermarket suppliers, which also gives me contacts if I have a failure, which I hope I won't.

Bottom line is that the ability of the GTR stock or tuned is hilarious, and also IMHO a bargain. Price increases of more than £10k with the VAT change and GBP/JPY are rumoured for next year too.

If you haven't been in one, especially if you get chance to go in one with good tuning, do because you'll find any way you can to get one, or don't because you'll never be happy with almost any other sanely priced performance car ever again.
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