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Old 08 October 2009, 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Peanuts
Thanks for all the comments, the debate and subsequent opinions are very interesting.
I have spoken offline with simon@jollygreenmonster.co.uk and will continue to work closely with him and follow his recommendations, the proof has been in the pudding and I have not had a map that I was less than delighted with in what is 4years now I think.
I have also consistantly made or exceeded the power and torque levels I have been expecting.
Thanks again.

The reason why I thought about the Ecutek route is primarily the cost, licensed ECUs can be had now from £100, the reason behind Simtek was because I had one in my RA track car and the reason behind the powerFC was that the commander has saved me on a few ocasions (at least once with a failed maf on a 99 that I was able to adjust sufficiently to get home with Simon's technical support and the commander unit).
I was questioning whether anything substantial had changed in the past 4 years that I wasn't aware of and yes, I could have just bypassed this thread and asked Simon, but its always fun to get the opinions of the public.
LOL wouldn't be SN without a bit of debate!

Old 08 October 2009, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by New_scooby_04
I can give you two examples I know of on here where a re-flashed std ECU has gone kaput! It is a risk when being Ecutek'd
Ns04
Is this true????

My fuelling has went up the left recently and the cold start is a bit irratic, I also get a lot of backfiring when driving normally, this has all started after my last remap. I also have a fuelling problem which I'm putting down to the fuel pump(walbro) as my AFR is going lean(enough to cause 15degrees of Knock correction) after 6500rpm.

I cant see it as a mapper problem as Andy F done it and has done in the past.
Andy told me the ECU had been flashed over 20 times before he touched it. My car is now currently being used as an everyday runabout and its so annoying.

Fitting a SimTek and a new fuel pump next week, hopefully it improves the driveability.
Old 08 October 2009, 11:25 AM
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I will definatly be using Simtek now, it sounds like the best all round.

Do they do Simtek for the early classics?

How much does it cost?

Old 08 October 2009, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by will_wrx
I will definatly be using Simtek now, it sounds like the best all round.

Do they do Simtek for the early classics?

How much does it cost?

It's available for all Classic MYs.

www.jollygreenmonster.co.uk

£895 RRP (+ VAT)

£150 +VAT for ALS/LC added.

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Old 08 October 2009, 11:36 AM
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Thats awesome, I was going to use PowerFC.

But this sounds much better, make PowerFC sound quite dated from whats been said.

I wish all these cool parts would stop popping up, I cant help myself, Lol

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It certainly makes sense NOW to go Simtek...

As the current climate and rubbish $/£ rate means that, even 2nd hand, PFC can be about the same price (when you add in the mapping cost on top).

Even if you bought a PFC off Simon brand new, you're only saving £115 over the Simtek. Simtek defo worth that £115 difference what with its dual maps, MAFless, etc...
Old 08 October 2009, 02:25 PM
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Classics up to 98 are £800 + Vat installed and mapped...MY99-00 is £895 + Vat.
Old 08 October 2009, 03:06 PM
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I'm sold on it. It seems like a really good bit of kit.

I think I'd have to pay the extra for anti lag and launch control, it would be rude not to.

Lol.

Old 08 October 2009, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by petedotuk
Is this true????

My fuelling has went up the left recently and the cold start is a bit irratic, I also get a lot of backfiring when driving normally, this has all started after my last remap. I also have a fuelling problem which I'm putting down to the fuel pump(walbro) as my AFR is going lean(enough to cause 15degrees of Knock correction) after 6500rpm.

I cant see it as a mapper problem as Andy F done it and has done in the past.
Andy told me the ECU had been flashed over 20 times before he touched it. My car is now currently being used as an everyday runabout and its so annoying.

Fitting a SimTek and a new fuel pump next week, hopefully it improves the driveability.
Hi mate, if a reflash buggers your std ECU it does it there and then at the point of flashing, as far as I know mate. It's very obvious and would preclude any mapping with that ECU.

Bob did explain it to me, but the if I recall the jist is that on rare occassions when a std ECU is re-flashed, the rudimentary code that gives the mapper access to the ECU is also wiped and essentially that means the ECU can't be communicated with again! So no remap and no reinstating the original map.

Your problems sound like a hardware issue.

Have a word with Andy if you're not sure.

All the best.
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Originally Posted by joz8968
It certainly makes sense NOW to go Simtek...


Even if you bought a PFC off Simon brand new, you're only saving £115 over the Simtek. Simtek defo worth that £115 difference what with its dual maps, MAFless, etc...
You'd pay a lot more if you also specified the AVCR to accompany the Apexi ECU which, I'm guessing, you'd want to do to achieve the best boost control.

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Old 08 October 2009, 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by steve rally
Classics up to 98 are £800 + Vat installed and mapped...MY99-00 is £895 + Vat.
Cool (didn't know that).
Old 08 October 2009, 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by New_scooby_04
Hi mate, if a reflash buggers your std ECU it does it there and then at the point of flashing, as far as I know mate. It's very obvious and would preclude any mapping with that ECU.

Bob did explain it to me, but the if I recall the jist is that on rare occassions when a std ECU is re-flashed, the rudimentary code that gives the mapper access to the ECU is also wiped and essentially that means the ECU can't be communicated with again! So no remap and no reinstating the original map.

Your problems sound like a hardware issue.

Have a word with Andy if you're not sure.

All the best.
Cheers,
I had heard of it happening with the Open Source stuff but not EcuTek.
Andy is understandably a very hard person to get a hold of as I have tried many a time. Then there is the fact that I am in Northern Ireland so it makes it even harder to do a map check as there is no EcuTek mappers here(only opensource and aftermarket).

SimTek is going in anyway by a local Subaru tuner.
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How much u lot charge to fit and map a ecu supplied by the customer?
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Originally Posted by petedotuk
Cheers,
I had heard of it happening with the Open Source stuff but not EcuTek.
Andy is understandably a very hard person to get a hold of as I have tried many a time. Then there is the fact that I am in Northern Ireland so it makes it even harder to do a map check as there is no EcuTek mappers here(only opensource and aftermarket).

SimTek is going in anyway by a local Subaru tuner.
I was in NI in September and there again next month and again in March..

SimTek and EcuTek available
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Originally Posted by scoobyc
How much u lot charge to fit and map a ecu supplied by the customer?
JGM, for example, charges £250 +VAT (£287.50 all in before Jan 1st) to fit/fully map a PFC. Bloomin' good price.

I expect the Simtek, and other ECUs, are in a similar ballpark(???).

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Originally Posted by petedotuk
Cheers,
I had heard of it happening with the Open Source stuff but not EcuTek.
Andy is understandably a very hard person to get a hold of as I have tried many a time. Then there is the fact that I am in Northern Ireland so it makes it even harder to do a map check as there is no EcuTek mappers here(only opensource and aftermarket).

SimTek is going in anyway by a local Subaru tuner.
99/00 only risky.. 01 on ecutek has a recovery software and it is of very little risk as only the map is altered during the reprogramming.. there is no open source for 99/00
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Originally Posted by joz8968
It certainly makes sense NOW to go Simtek...

As the current climate and rubbish $/£ rate means that, even 2nd hand, PFC can be about the same price (when you add in the mapping cost on top).

Even if you bought a PFC off Simon brand new, you're only saving £115 over the Simtek. Simtek defo worth that £115 difference what with its dual maps, MAFless, etc...
my website is out of date there is no way I could currently do an Apexi PowerFc new for anywhere near the price on my website, it is a non-starter as similar price as SimTek which meets more peoples needs.
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Originally Posted by joz8968
JGM, for example, charges £250 +VAT (£287.50 all in before Jan 1st) to fit/fully map a PFC. Bloomin' good price.

I expect the Simtek, and other ECUs, are in a similar ballpark(???).
£300+VAT for simtek remap of someone elses supply. . if I supplied it originally then my normal £150+VAT for a tweak applies.
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Originally Posted by Jolly Green Monster
my website is out of date there is no way I could currently do an Apexi PowerFc new for anywhere near the price on my website, it is a non-starter as similar price as SimTek which meets more peoples needs.
There you go will_wrx... even more of a no-brainer to go for the Simtek!
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Originally Posted by petedotuk
Cheers,
I had heard of it happening with the Open Source stuff but not EcuTek.
Andy is understandably a very hard person to get a hold of as I have tried many a time. Then there is the fact that I am in Northern Ireland so it makes it even harder to do a map check as there is no EcuTek mappers here(only opensource and aftermarket).

SimTek is going in anyway by a local Subaru tuner.
Pete - When I rad my remap done by Andy he was very cautious when the time came for the download of the remap.

He made sure non one was around with mobiles ensuring I had mine off etc.
He chased Paul Murray away as his phone seems to never stop ringing.

So there must be some truth to it.
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Originally Posted by Jolly Green Monster
I was in NI in September and there again next month and again in March..

SimTek and EcuTek available
I know Simon, unfortunly my car is getting shipped to Oz before your next over otherwise it get you to do it.

Originally Posted by urban
Pete - When I rad my remap done by Andy he was very cautious when the time came for the download of the remap.

He made sure non one was around with mobiles ensuring I had mine off etc.
He chased Paul Murray away as his phone seems to never stop ringing.

So there must be some truth to it.
He made me turn mine off before hooking up the software.
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Originally Posted by joz8968
There you go will_wrx... even more of a no-brainer to go for the Simtek!
My mind is made up

I will be in contact with JGM within the next few weeks when my car is finished to arrange supply and fit of Simtek!

Excited, Lol.

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You'll luuurve the experience ... let alone the extra power/torque/drivability.
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Originally Posted by joz8968
Even if you bought a PFC off Simon brand new, you're only saving £115 over the Simtek. Simtek defo worth that £115 difference what with its dual maps, MAFless, etc...
Originally Posted by Jolly Green Monster
my website is out of date there is no way I could currently do an Apexi PowerFc new for anywhere near the price on my website, it is a non-starter as similar price as SimTek which meets more peoples needs.
minor website update just for you Joz www.jollygreenmonster.co.uk
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Still reads £795 +VAT for the PFC... Shouldn't it be more, based on what you said?

Have the site changes kicked in yet?
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You've got a cool CV Simon.

I esp. like the bit where you've dabbled in missile release systems. Perhaps you should start implementing that feature on our ECUs! lol

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Originally Posted by joz8968
Still reads £795 +VAT for the PFC... Shouldn't it be more, based on what you said?

Have the site changes kicked in yet?
I checked last night and it didnt say anything about the PFC other than mapping iirc.

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will, it's staring you in the face mate:-

www.jollygreenmonster.co.uk
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I <3 Simtek.


Lol
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