Help !!! Killed the Scoob !
18 September 2009, 12:22 AM
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18 September 2009, 10:04 PM
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STi ECU and harness required as well if memory serves me ?
I would be happy at the moment to get the used bottom end fitted with my old heads bolted on !
I am getting major withdrawal syptoms with no Scoob, hoping to make a start on the valve stem oil seals tomorrow.
21 September 2009, 09:48 PM
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Ended up spending longer than expected sorting the Fiesta, only removed one valve !
Is there a particular knack to removing the valve stem oil seals ?
Long nosed pliers or what ?
The heads have done 66k on the old engine, is it worth bothering doing the seals and having to grind the valves in ?
I received another letter today from the supplier of the failed 'recon' engine, they say they want me to remove the engine and return it to them for testing pending a refund.
What do I do ?
I am reluctant to send them the engine before I have my money, they are not likely to test it and say 'yeah, defo our crap build and dodgy head gaskets at fault' are they ?
Any thoughts guys ?
I am really feed up with the whole situation at the moment, just want to get it on the road for now !
To cap it all, I had a moment of madness and bought a set of complete 98' heads, turns out they are version 4 (I think) so my inlet manifold won't fit ! f**k, f**k,f**k !
Anyone want to buy them ?
Is there a particular knack to removing the valve stem oil seals ?
Long nosed pliers or what ?
The heads have done 66k on the old engine, is it worth bothering doing the seals and having to grind the valves in ?
I received another letter today from the supplier of the failed 'recon' engine, they say they want me to remove the engine and return it to them for testing pending a refund.
What do I do ?
I am reluctant to send them the engine before I have my money, they are not likely to test it and say 'yeah, defo our crap build and dodgy head gaskets at fault' are they ?
Any thoughts guys ?
I am really feed up with the whole situation at the moment, just want to get it on the road for now !
To cap it all, I had a moment of madness and bought a set of complete 98' heads, turns out they are version 4 (I think) so my inlet manifold won't fit ! f**k, f**k,f**k !
Anyone want to buy them ?
22 September 2009, 08:11 PM
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IMHO, once you hand over the engine they'll 'deaf you' and you'll be up a creek, as they say..! 
Can't you just issue a claim in the small claims court, keeping the engine as evidence..? Chances are once they realise you're not messing about they'll just refund you, rather than paying to defend themselves in a case they'll obviously loose.
Once they pay up they can collect the 'engine' from you at their expense. After all they expect payment before sending out an 'engine', why shouldn't you..?!
Finally, I can't remember how you paid for this, wasn't it Paypal or a credit card..? If so instigate a disputed transaction, even the cc company are liable, let a lone paypal..! Do this rather than the small claims court if that's how you paid.
Can't you just issue a claim in the small claims court, keeping the engine as evidence..? Chances are once they realise you're not messing about they'll just refund you, rather than paying to defend themselves in a case they'll obviously loose.
Once they pay up they can collect the 'engine' from you at their expense. After all they expect payment before sending out an 'engine', why shouldn't you..?!
Finally, I can't remember how you paid for this, wasn't it Paypal or a credit card..? If so instigate a disputed transaction, even the cc company are liable, let a lone paypal..! Do this rather than the small claims court if that's how you paid.
22 September 2009, 09:06 PM
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They are fully assembled heads off a 98' UK Turbo (same as WRX rather than STi I guess ?)
I paid via for the engine on my credit card via Paypal, credit card company said claim via Paypal not from them !
I instigated a dispute and sent fax copies of all correspondence and the original advert, Paypal are still investigating !
All they do is try to recover funds from the sellers Paypal account even if you win !
Any body with any sense would just transfer all Paypal funds to their bank account and then close the user account, especially with the 6 weeks it takes the clueless c***s at Paypal to investigate !
About as much use as the police announcing that they will be doing 'secret' drugs raids in a fortnight !
I paid via for the engine on my credit card via Paypal, credit card company said claim via Paypal not from them !
I instigated a dispute and sent fax copies of all correspondence and the original advert, Paypal are still investigating !
All they do is try to recover funds from the sellers Paypal account even if you win !
Any body with any sense would just transfer all Paypal funds to their bank account and then close the user account, especially with the 6 weeks it takes the clueless c***s at Paypal to investigate !
About as much use as the police announcing that they will be doing 'secret' drugs raids in a fortnight !
22 September 2009, 09:36 PM
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regardless of the fact that Paypal may be dragging their feet I'd also instigate a 'disputed transaction' with the credit card company.
In instances such as this, where both are liable, they will try to get you to 'claim' via the other route if possible- usually to push you beyond the 90day? claim window. Tell credit card company that Paypal are messing about and it's for the card company to resolve it on your behalf other wise you will have to contact the FSA/ombudsman..!
Time for the gloves to come off IMHO..
In instances such as this, where both are liable, they will try to get you to 'claim' via the other route if possible- usually to push you beyond the 90day? claim window. Tell credit card company that Paypal are messing about and it's for the card company to resolve it on your behalf other wise you will have to contact the FSA/ombudsman..!
Time for the gloves to come off IMHO..
22 September 2009, 09:42 PM
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And regardless of using Paypal as an intermediary online transaction service provider, you still have the legal right to get the credit card company to look into the transaction to try to get your money back.
I'd say the C.C. company are procrastinating, the *****. Press them further...
I'd say the C.C. company are procrastinating, the *****. Press them further...
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23 September 2009, 11:03 AM
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IMHO, once you hand over the engine they'll 'deaf you' and you'll be up a creek, as they say..!
Can't you just issue a claim in the small claims court, keeping the engine as evidence..? Chances are once they realise you're not messing about they'll just refund you, rather than paying to defend themselves in a case they'll obviously loose.
Once they pay up they can collect the 'engine' from you at their expense. After all they expect payment before sending out an 'engine', why shouldn't you..?!
Finally, I can't remember how you paid for this, wasn't it Paypal or a credit card..? If so instigate a disputed transaction, even the cc company are liable, let a lone paypal..! Do this rather than the small claims court if that's how you paid.
Can't you just issue a claim in the small claims court, keeping the engine as evidence..? Chances are once they realise you're not messing about they'll just refund you, rather than paying to defend themselves in a case they'll obviously loose.
Once they pay up they can collect the 'engine' from you at their expense. After all they expect payment before sending out an 'engine', why shouldn't you..?!
Finally, I can't remember how you paid for this, wasn't it Paypal or a credit card..? If so instigate a disputed transaction, even the cc company are liable, let a lone paypal..! Do this rather than the small claims court if that's how you paid.
If it were one of my engines treated like that, I would not offer any warranty if I heard the saga first.
APi's warranty is a first class one that protects not only the buyer but API by requiring that certain obligations in fitting have been met. In this instance the engine has been fitted sufficiently badly to have compromised it from day one. Warranty voided ; no question.
I know it is more than likely that the engine was / is a bag of poo but if you give the suppliers the chance to get out they will take it.
The only way to put pressure on is to get it stripped and inspected by an independent engineer, whilst they are given the chance to attend and watch. If they don't come that is their problem. if you strip it and not tell them, you have lost your case instantly.
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26 September 2009, 09:39 PM
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Good, get it in writing from Paypal that you will receive a full refund, regardless (ie read small print etc)..!
Who are you to return it to, the original supplier I take it..? Hence the above caution..
Lol, hopefully you'll find the time to get it out and sent, just think of it being a light at the end of the tunnel..lol..!
Who are you to return it to, the original supplier I take it..? Hence the above caution..
Lol, hopefully you'll find the time to get it out and sent, just think of it being a light at the end of the tunnel..lol..!
26 September 2009, 10:26 PM
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I am worried that Paypals idea of a full refund really means:
'if there are any funds left in the sellers Paypal account' LOL
I bet they don't refund your money themselves and then pursue the seller !
I should have removed the engine before now but at least I could move the car a few hundred yards under its own power rather than pushing it.
The problem is that I can't really tie up one of our ramps at work during workshop opening hours, might see if I can enlist the help of one or more of our technichians to remove it after work over a couple of evenings ?
'if there are any funds left in the sellers Paypal account' LOL
I bet they don't refund your money themselves and then pursue the seller !
I should have removed the engine before now but at least I could move the car a few hundred yards under its own power rather than pushing it.
The problem is that I can't really tie up one of our ramps at work during workshop opening hours, might see if I can enlist the help of one or more of our technichians to remove it after work over a couple of evenings ?
26 September 2009, 10:48 PM
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Just leave it on my drive and some tosser will nick it for you! haha. Glad to see some progress on this mate. Everythings coming together now eh? i get my car recovered by the cops after it got nicked, and you get a chance to buy an engine thats not made of turnips!
27 September 2009, 04:14 PM
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Spoken to Paypal today and they said they refund the money then attempt to recover from the seller (best of British, I wouldn't hold my breath)
I will get the engine out one way or another, may try to recover my other expenses (engine fitting and removal etc) via small claims process ?
I will get the engine out one way or another, may try to recover my other expenses (engine fitting and removal etc) via small claims process ?
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Its worth a shot, just as long as you have reciepts of all work carried out, and evindence of all your re-visits, and issues arising from thier poo work. You should be ok, judges usually are biased on the side of the person who isnt the professional (i.e joe bloggs, who has a claim against the "professional" plumber who knackered his bathroom pipes up)
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See post number 30 on here
https://www.scoobynet.com/drivetrain...ronline-2.html
Not quite so easy methinks.
David
https://www.scoobynet.com/drivetrain...ronline-2.html
Not quite so easy methinks.
David
28 September 2009, 10:04 PM
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Hi David !
I did ask the person I spoke to at Paypal whether they had to obtain the refund from the sellers Paypal account (I guess they run it with minimal funds in case of situations like this) but he assured me that the refund is covered by Paypal themselves.
Got waist deep (literally) in the engine bay today, booked the afternoon off to get a proper start.
Why do they make everything so difficult to get at ?
Really struggle to get a socket or spanner onto some fittings and when you do, you manage to knock lumps out of your hands with all the sharp edges !
Just got to disconnect the fuel filter and then it's time to split the engine and box, hoping that one of our guys will help with this bit !
I did ask the person I spoke to at Paypal whether they had to obtain the refund from the sellers Paypal account (I guess they run it with minimal funds in case of situations like this) but he assured me that the refund is covered by Paypal themselves.
Got waist deep (literally) in the engine bay today, booked the afternoon off to get a proper start.
Why do they make everything so difficult to get at ?
Really struggle to get a socket or spanner onto some fittings and when you do, you manage to knock lumps out of your hands with all the sharp edges !
Just got to disconnect the fuel filter and then it's time to split the engine and box, hoping that one of our guys will help with this bit !
01 October 2009, 09:05 PM
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I did ask our business manager if I could take out 'retrospective' GAP insurance !
Engine collected for delivery back to the supplier tomorrow, cost me £65.
Paypal expect me to stand the carriage myself even though they have agreed to the refund, I don't think they can tell the difference between posting a faulty DVD or a car engine back to the seller.
I spent some of today cleaning the mating surfaces on the cylinder heads and the short block, need to 'lap' the valves in and fit the new oil seals before fitting them to the engine.
All of this is a huge learning curve for me, not a mechanic by trade so having to pick things up as I go along.
I would like to say a heartfelt thanks at this stage to everyone that has offered advice and support, this is a great forum where people DO still want to help each other.
I can't remember who suggested using the old timing belt and clamps to lock the cam pulleys but it really worked without damaging a single pulley (unlike the garage that fitted the engine and smashed all the plastic ones)
Engine collected for delivery back to the supplier tomorrow, cost me £65.
Paypal expect me to stand the carriage myself even though they have agreed to the refund, I don't think they can tell the difference between posting a faulty DVD or a car engine back to the seller.
I spent some of today cleaning the mating surfaces on the cylinder heads and the short block, need to 'lap' the valves in and fit the new oil seals before fitting them to the engine.
All of this is a huge learning curve for me, not a mechanic by trade so having to pick things up as I go along.
I would like to say a heartfelt thanks at this stage to everyone that has offered advice and support, this is a great forum where people DO still want to help each other.
I can't remember who suggested using the old timing belt and clamps to lock the cam pulleys but it really worked without damaging a single pulley (unlike the garage that fitted the engine and smashed all the plastic ones)
01 October 2009, 09:52 PM
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paypal will foot the bill regardless of funds in his account i know this because it happened to me with a phone i posted' the buyer said he didnt recieve it and bang the funds wor gone. 109 overdrawn luckily i had proof of postage and got my money back. make sure you obtain a paypal friendly tracking number just to safeguard your refund: good luck with getting car back on the roadl. mine should be back next week after month of repairs:
05 October 2009, 09:19 PM
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The job has currently come to a 'grinding' halt (pardon the pun)
I had a go at one of the valves with grinding paste and the old fashioned 'rubber sucker on a stick'
B*ll*cks to that !
Sixteen of the bl**dy things to do !
Awaiting delivery of a flexible drive for the drill, plan is to clamp the valve stem in the chuck and 'spin' the valves to seat them.
I also started looking at all the casting marks and thinking.............................
Hmmmmmmmmmmm ?
Could I have a go at a light port and polish ?
I had a go at one of the valves with grinding paste and the old fashioned 'rubber sucker on a stick'
B*ll*cks to that !
Sixteen of the bl**dy things to do !
Awaiting delivery of a flexible drive for the drill, plan is to clamp the valve stem in the chuck and 'spin' the valves to seat them.
I also started looking at all the casting marks and thinking.............................
Hmmmmmmmmmmm ?
Could I have a go at a light port and polish ?