1uke

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Matteeboy I bet your 1 of these subaru drivers I keep seeing about, Who drives 30mph in 60 zones looking at scenery or themselfs im guessing?? whilst everyone else has had a long day at work and just wants to get home!!??
Its certainly not the best car in the world but certainly not a bad car from what I can tell in the last 2 months of ownership. I'm having alot of fun driving it, and all that torque certainly keeps you awake on the way home

Matteeboy

Yes I know about torque - my 335d Touring has a fair old chunk of it...

Never had a Subaru, always hated tailgaters.

1uke

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Who does like tailgaters though... its abit harsh and single minded saying all these things about Bmw 120d drivers but maybe thats why your here to wind up actual subaru owners up etc?

How come you have over 5,000 posts on a subaru forum but never owned a subaru....kinda strange!! or are you a wannabe or better still found a big community you can annoy for hours on end???

Matteeboy

Many here have never owned a Subaru - I tested two and nearly bought one hence coming here for advice. It turned out to be a good website with a few freaks and wierdos.

Of course not all 120d drivers are bad but I'd say I've had at least half a dozen incidents where they have tailgated me, cut me up or generally driven badly. Same with some Audis too.

Wannabee? Errmmm - I don't think so. I just think a small coupe style car with a diesel engine is a bit strange. I'm sure you love it though. As do I when another one tailgates me and I blast him off with almost twice the torque and bhp...

Anyway, who the hell are you? Joined recently, not many posts and getting narky already. I think Jacko summed up 120d drivers perfectly...

Devildog

Matt,

Stop stereotyping. Its a partcularly unfavourable trait of yours. Ironic too, especially as you are now a 3 series owner. you really should know better mate than to come out with "I think Jacko summed up 120D drivers perfectly"

Not sure what's eating Jacko these days, but he's taken to posting like a bit of a **** from time to time Maybe trying to hard with the whole internet personna


The 120D Sport I had was a brilliant little car. Quick, refined, frugal and a pleasure to drive. The single turbo 2.0 diesel was by far the best of its kind when that car was released. Many recon the "new" 200 odd ps 2.0L twin turbo diesel to be the best engine BMW currently build, so don't knock it without some relevant experience. Having sampled it in a 123D I can state as a matter of fact that it is the best diesel 4 cylinder engine I have ever experienced. Way ahead of anything from MB, VAG, Ford and GM and perfectly suited to the 1 series.

Highly regarded in the Alpina D3 as well.

Matteeboy

Whereas the 3.0 twin turbo diesel in mine has been called the best diesel engine in the World by many...

BMW do very good diesels - we can at least agree on that?

billythekid

I had a 130i M Sport for a couple of years. Really enjoyable car to drive, engine is probably one of the best NA engines going IMHO. Fairly cheap to run. Reasonable on insurance. Would keep up with most stuff on the road and sounded really nice on full chat.

My only real gripe - the ride was a little on the firm side - but it was a very well built car. If you carry a lof of back seat drivers you might find they dont have much leg room.

As an overall package I really rated it - and would have another one no problem. Only sold it as it was pointless having it when I was doing 4 miles a day and had 2 other cars sat on the drive and another in the garage - I put it up for sale on PH and a BMW dealer rang me and came and collected it the next day...

Seriously considering going back to a 1 series (123d) when I decide to get rid of my current daily drive (smart car).

Matteeboy

Wasn't the post about what to get, a 120d or a 130i? Suddenly offering an opinion is a crime.

Steve vRS

Has the OP considered a Focus ST?



Steve

Janspeed

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Matteeboy

Devildog

No, but reverting to typical Matteyboy stereotyping is

Dude,

If you are going to offer opinions up to this board in such a strong and unbalanced manner, you need to stop taking the "paranoia huff" when people counter those with opposing argument.

You also need to stop looking down on people who drive or favour "lesser" BMW's than you, now that you have a 3 series.

Seriously, how many (specifically) 120D drivers do you encounter on a daily basis, living in the wilds of Cornwall.

And if they are tailgating you - how do you even know they are 120Ds and not any one of a myriad of different 1 series variants?

Devildog

Well of course it would be


Indeed they do. Best of any of the manufacturers IMO.

Matteeboy

I don't look down on people that drive "lesser" BMWs although I will never be able to understand why people pay £1000s for the full M Sport kit on a small engined BMW...Why not get a better engine?

Now to a BMW nerd - six pots have a chrome grille, four pots have a black one. And I'd say the majority of four pots I see are 120d or even 118d models.

Quite a few people have them down here but we also get the influx of tourists - as Jacko said, often Apprentice wannabees desperate to flash their cash - not realising that doing so doesn't impress the locals one little bit. Quite the opposite in fact.

marky1

Personally I would buy a 335d touring. It is the best car in the world. Every other car that exists is driven by ***** pikeys and chavs.

Matteeboy

MooseRacer

Close run thing between that and an Astra though

Matteeboy

Now I don't own it any more, it's cr4p. The Jimny we still have is much better. 0-60 in about three weeks.

Janspeed

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Stop jerking off his ego!

Matteeboy

I think he was taking the pi55 -big style...

A few journos agree though... just one of them

Easily capable of withstanding comparison with its petrol equivalents, this is a diesel that sells on sporting prowess rather than economy. It's a brilliant car, admittedly at a price, that completely redefines the definition of diesel motoring and may well open the door to a raft of pure performance diesels in the near future. As it is, the 335d Touring may just be all the car you'd ever need.

Car reviews | BMW 3 Series Touring | The end of petrol | by Car Enthusiast

Devildog

Yeah, but as you are so fond of saying Matt, car reviews aren't worth ****

Matteeboy

DD - did I say that? Any proof?

The Astra wasn't the best reviewed car ever (mainly because it wasn't the best car) nor is the Jimny but like most cars, they have their good points - and for many, those are the most important bits.

My only gripe is cynical badge marketing - pricing an Audi 30% above a Skoda, pricing an Alfa or Saab 30% above a Vauxhall (more or less the same) etc. However most brands have a few good models in their line up, most have some bad ones.

BMW has the X3... and the 118...

Devildog

Not directly, however there are numerous posts where you go to lengths to point out that its real experience that's impprtant to you not what you read in car mags.

The X3 is not a bad car. Its just not BMW's best, and getting a bit long in the tooth now. On release, it was largely without competition, but the competitors have perhaps moved the game on.

The 118 is far from a bad car. I'd have one over similarly powered products from VAG, Ford or GM any day of the week. The 118D is a particularly good car. Extremely efficient.

MooseRacer

I do really like the idea of replacing my Golf GTI with a 123D as my next company car. From the brief look I had in the back of a 120D my daughter may well not be so amused - she will be 14 by the time the car is due to go back and to me they look desperately short of room in the back.

I'll go and have a proper look at a dealers in the Autumn but I'm not hopeful.

Matteeboy

TBH the 1 series was laughed off the showroom floor when it first came out but like pretty much all of Chris Bangles efforts, you get used to them. I thought the E90 looked like a Mitsi Carisma when it came out - the saloon still does but the coupe is a genuine looker and always had a soft spot for the touring.

The 1 just looks a bit odd - sort of sags in the middle. The 3 door is better. The new engines are so efficient (especially the 116d - tax free I think) that it's almost unbelievable. How the heck they now have the 335d down to 178 g/km (mine is just over 200) is just gobsmacking.

I'd chop in a GTi for a 123d though - the engine is reputed to be another belter and that torque will be a lot of fun. Twin turbos are good mm'kay.

Moose - wife Aunt has a 118d as a company car - she fits two big dogs in the back and her grown up kids when needed. A squeeze but manageable.

My Dad persuaded my Mum that a 928 was a sensible family car when I was little - me and my sister used to have to shoehorn ourselves in. We even slept in the boot a few times!!

1uke

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your so up and down on the 1 series matteeboy its hard to follow you even though I dont see why people are making the effort as several things you have said are plain wrong or stupid!!
And btw my remapped 120d is probably just as fast as your 335d standard and alot more economical so to you thinking your so much better. If I wanted a big 3 series I would have brought 1 like many 1 series owners. But I love the looks and the size of the 1 series! it reminds me of my favourite looking car the Z3 coupe.

Ok back on topic, Why buy the 130i when the 120d remapped is almost as fast and alot more economical... I admit the diesel engine sounds horrible but you can get a performace exhaust to hide that a little, and half the time i'm sure you will have your windows shut so you wont even hear it so as far as I can tell thats the only down side to the diesel and theres alot more advantages. imo Buy the 120D

Matteeboy

Total and utter bo77ox. You are a dreamer and just ruined any credibility with that ridiculous and very chavvy statement - exactly WHY I don't like the 120d very much. What a complete tool. A remap gets you to 200bhp and 350lbs/ft at the absolute maximum - please tell me HOW that will shave nearly two seconds off the 0-60 time and add over 20mph to the Vmax? Oh deary deary me...

Oh and it might help if you learn to spell and punctuate. It seems your lack of knowledge of the English language is in line with your lack of ability with numbers and or basic physics. Utter tool.

Stick to your video games - the crutch for many a dreamer.

1uke

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I have about 210 bhp plus thankyou very much and people who have the same car as me and same map have been recording times of around 6.5 secs 0-60mph so please tell me how I'm now a tool a angry **** and have a lack of knowledge of the engish language, numbers and a dreamer.... anything else whilst your obviously on a roll??

Do you even own a car or are you stuck in a prison somewhere hating the outside world?
Btw the slightly newer 2007 120ds are making 220bhp plus and the 123ds are making 260bhp plus. Maybe you should do your research before argueing with people.

Matteeboy

Yes - with a REMAP. If you have to play that game, most335ds are being RR'd at over 300bhp standard then 350bhp and 510++lbs/ft aftert a remap. Sub 6 second 0-60 is common (standard), a remap dips it to under 5 seconds and killer 1/4 mile times. Even mine gets 13.7ish 0-100. You have a fairly quick motor but don't be such a tool. I've had a scan of your threads - a chavved up RX7, a fully bazzed Scooby and some dire looking Renault 5. I'm sure you've made outlandish claims for them too?

Now if you are going to try and wrongfoot someone, I suggest you go elsewhere because you're attempt at trying on me are comical.

Oh and your English is truly shocking; I can go through any post and pick up at least half a dozen errors in each - even the ones with one sentence. Learn English, stop dreaming and get on in life. Or ignore it, keep dreaming and get nowhere. Now run along.

Devildog

Matt,

I feel you may be the one looking a little foolish

From earlier in this thread:

And no reason why a tuned 120d with 220 bhp and massively more torque wouldn't be pretty close to a 130i through the gears. It would certainly be faster in gear pretty much anywhere.

As standard a manual 120d will do 7.5 to 60 and 137-140 depending on road flat out. That's original 16v Astra performance. Add 45 bhp and a great wad of torque and you'd be at low 6s and 155 no problem, given that a standard 123d will do 6.5s.

That's all the poster you have accused of losing all credibility had said.

Whilst I agree the posing style is not perfect English, the claims made are pretty credible on the whole.

There has been credibilty lost on this thread, but its not been lost by 1uke