RC said something about 2.3 conv done..bloody hell this is getting better!

 

I told you if you stroke a 2.2 you get 2.35.

Hyperex has a 2.5, but you are talking about 40k for his type of conversion.

dont go overboard, it simply isnt necessary.

 

You mean a 2.2 crank will give me 2.2? 2.35 is with the overboring i suppose..? Nah there is no way i would spend these stupid money(i havent got them anyway)..

 

Adam M> Why is using nitrux cheating? surely that would mean a turbo is also cheating?

 

A phse 1 2.2 crank (about 380 quid plus VAT) can be made to fit an EJ20 block IIRC. BUT it will only give you a displacement of around 2.1 litres.

My personal feeling, like Adam, is that it would be better to source a legacy 2.2 engine (400 quid or so from a breaker if your lucky), fit your turbo heads and new rods and pistons, then you'd be well on the way to serious power (along with a proper rebuild)...although you would really have to look at fueling, a bigger turbo and a complete replacement ecu to get over 400 brake.

If you need to run more than 1.5 bar of boost (which you will to get a true 400+) you should seriously consider a closed deck block for reliability.

As for anti lag, your Nitrous could be used here, I know of people who have done this (not personally that is).

 

Right,

I 've spoken to RC they are way too expensive (they advertise for £5000) but thats whithout vat or labour!!.Anyway,the conversion from them would be 10K plus!! thats without the gearbox off course.And thats with me having an F-CON management and a front intercooler!!.Way too expensive,Thing is once i change the crank i might as well spend 1K more and get the 2.2 steel one.RC said without the crank is about 400bhp with the crank will be about 420-425bhp!! thats big power for subaru.Thats without NOS,I've seen an ECU for 850+VAT+sensors with Traction control,Launch control,antilag system.But then i was thinking of motech.DOES MOTECH have the same kind of features? Antilag system is very important for me.Motech cost about 1350+vat,I'm seriously thinking of getting the whole thing-ECU(because of the antilag system).Is an ECU antilag system going to work almost as good as NOS? Is pretty good because i won't have to refill the bottles all the time.Plus i've heard the ECU antilag is got 2 settings where you can turn the antilag system off so that saves you fuel etc.

Thanks guys

PS Getting a 2.2 legacy would be a good idea but I've got the forged pistons already and that should mean that i would have to make it fit plus get a completely different gearbox for it plus pay all the labour of stripping 2 engines apart.Things would start getting very complicated.2.2 gearbox doesn't fit on an Impreza(i've tried).

 

SB I think you misunderstood me chap.

An EJ22 (2.2) engine has the same external dimensions as an EJ20 (2.0) your gearbox will bolt straight on, but as Adam says with this sort of power the stock Euro/WRX/Sti internals can't cope, so you would have to fork out for new stronger internals. Quaife are aledged to have a new kit on the market, but I for one have not seen a price or know of anyone running it!

As for the ECU, I don't know about launch control or 2 stage anti lag, but I do know anti lag is an option on the Motec M48 Pro. I very much doubt that an ecu driven anti lag system would have the same effect as NO2 in the mid range...it really is a personal preference thing, if you trust Nitrous then use it, I wouldn't, but that's my preference. I think I'm correct in saying if you use Nitrous for the mid range tyou can't have it at the top end as well...but I'm probably wrong

 

Christian,

"Is nitrous cheating" that's a good question....

I guess it really depends on your criteria.

I'm not against nitrous, it's great for the 1/4 mile, and "Max Power" brigade but of little use on the track.

I guess if someone had it fitted, they could say I've got *** power, for a few seconds... but then I've only got ***

However, with a "turbo", you always have the power.

To me, nitrous would be like "premature ejaculation", a few seconds, and it's all over

I'll stick with a well matched turbo

Mark.

 

LoL i agree with that NOS R1 but,what about if you had a 420bhp scoob with an extra 50bhp just in case you would need it.To be honest NOS is the last thing i would go for..+everything else must be in perfect order internal parts etc etc super cool and safe b4 NOS

 

Or, decide on what power you want (realistically) and then just build the engine to cope.....

If you want 470bhp, build a 470bhp engine, then you have it all the time.....

Now you're going to say, AHH, but if I had 470bhp, AND fitted nitrous.....

Personally, I'd build the engine the best way I could, and then match the turbo to run the max safe power.

Keep it simple....wish someone had said that to me

Mark.

 

R19KET, you could argue that nitrous is always available (well to a certain degree). Some systems you have now, only lets a bit, and can last all week. You could then refill the bottle when you refil the petrol! If you see where I am coming from.

 

I'm sure that nitrous is great fun on the street, racing all the boy racers (let pull) and if you're into dragging, and I guess f you only use a "little" at a time, it will last longer, but how long do you think it will get left that way, and if you're using so little, is it worth the money, and effort ? I don't know.

It's horses for courses. I'd rather have what's available, all the time, and on track.

Now if you're wanting to use it as an "anti lag", that's different.

Mark.

 

just get a decent turbo built n use PROPER anti lag (a.l.s.). Nitrous is cheating IMO and not as good, a.l.s. can give you over 20psi boost off throttle! nitrous certainly cant.

With a decently stong turbo shaft (easy to source as loads of rally scoobs and they all use anti lag) and stainless manifolds and exhaust (the heat and backfires will bugger up std ones), remove the cat's (as itl kill them too), and be prepared for a very loud exhaust (as itl destroy all the baffles!), and you will be fine.

Its switchable, so car runs 100% normal when need be, and only is activated when off throttle, so even a time when you car is getting used its hardest it would stress hardly anything anyhow (as u most likely to be on the throttle 90% of the time).

Rallycars get thru turbos due to anti lag because they are OFF THROTTLE waaaaaaaay more than you will ever be (when youd have the anti lag switched on, so not in normal driving) on the road.

Track day for example (the hardest time you can give your car)- full throttle down straights, just half a second off throttle during gearchange (so a cupla big bangs n pops and the boost stays at near enough maximun), get to a corner, off throttle during braking/cornering for what, 10secs max (in that time boost is still high, n everyones ducking for cover thinking the noise from your car is WW3), out of the corner you get a HUUGE advantage as u on boost whereas everyone elses boost gauge is showing -20psi of vac'! big straight again so no anti-lag etc etc etc...........


On the road i doubt if you will have it on for more than a few seconds at a time, even if u was having a huge burn up with somthing.

Who on here has anti-lag or has ever used a car with anti-lag on the road/track??? Id love to hear your opinions (NOT what people have told you )
I have experienced a.l.s. (not my car tho , oneday) in 3 different cars, 1 mitzi evo4 (road), 1 escort cosworth (track) and 1 saphire 4x4 cosworth (road), and its superb, and the noise, wow! (admittidly the lancer was a bit quieter than the cosworths, less mad, but they all did the same amazing job, no idea the severity of the noise of subaru anti lag, but i know its loud, tho not as violent as the cosworth one so im told)

Anyway, im rambling now, but glad i could help (cant usually as im new to subarus, but deffo not to turbo cars, or BMW M power... )

Tankyou and goodnight,

JBAHIG

 

.I'm going crazy..One question(a bit silly).What do you think will be faster a 420bhp scoob or a 520bhp skyline(weight is a factor as well - Skylines are 200-300 kilos more(I think) ). ?

 

kostas, why consider that?

are you thinking of saving the mney and just buying a skyline?

big power is more readily possible.

the r34 is nearly 350kg heavier than the impreza, but the earlier editions were lighter, but then even with big power they would be hard pressed to stay with a 400bhp impreza, its not just in a straight line but round bends that count.

You wouldnt be unhappy with any skyline though, they are so special!


re antilag, I will be fitting this on my car. It isnt just a case of installing it and forgetting it, it needs to be mapped like any other part of the map, and that takes a degree of skill and understanding. Rally team type people might be a good idea for this.

I have been in two cars with anti lag. Moray Mackenzies on his motec set up by powerstation and Pats on his pectel set up by pat.

I hate to say it but if this thread were on 22b.com you might get some feedback from pat, but he doesnt bother reading this much anymore as he says he doesnt have time to filter out the good stuff . I will start an als thread on 22b.com in the hope he might contribute.


Morays, I have to say was all show and no go. I didnt notice it being any quicker, but it sounded great. I will installing it mostly for the shock factor, I am not entirely fussed abotu my time around a track, lag doesnt bother me, plus I am hoping to have so much torque when the turbo does come in, that bringing it in earlier would not be good for traction.

 

Adam,

Hi mate,Its not nice when people can help others and not bothering about.. Anyway,i'm so confused Adam,I called an importer today said he could get me a gtr vspec 33 300bhp cheaply,I really love how they look,also i love driving position looks awesome..And all these v-spec features they are really tempting.Though dealer said your 350scoob will be more fun than a 400bhp skyline.He said its heavier blah blah.obviously to get 550 out of it again i will need to start spending stupid money which im not willing to do(again from the beggining).I care about turning but i also love straight through acceleration.I've heard of a friend of mine who is got an 850bhp skyline with sequential gearbox etc etc and he is got 0-60 in 3.7.Thats not that fast for an 850bhp car.Obviously he is got mad 3rds-4ths onwards gears but thing is..on a straight 0-400 whats it going to be faster...A 500bhp skyline or a 420 scoob.I'm so confused now dont know what to do whether to just sell mine and put another 5K and buy an R33 vspec or make the 420 convertion for 9-10K?? I would like to drive an R33 vspec see what is like? a car..Offcourse with that money an R-33 will be standard..But then with a chip and an exhaust and a filter you get over 400.Ahhh help whats the best solution??

PS off course with the money i could get the R-33 i could get an EVO 6,but standard again..and i doubt will be much faster than my current scoob..And to get 400 its the same story like mine..If i would sell i think,i would only for a R-33vspec..But then its heavy and this and that...Whats going on!? My brain is cooking

 

why dont you spenjd the money on becoming a better driver?

You have made it clear that you only race on roads and now am getting worried that you might make use of a 400bhp only on the roads in the process kiling someone.

I dont believe for a second your friend has an 850bhp skyline. I believe you think it has, but I dont know of any tuners in this country with the ability to produce or dyno such a thing.

I hope this isnt another tdi story.

3.7 0-60 is bloody fast, 850bhp or not. It will take traction to get it quicker, and more power is not going to help much. Tell him to try it again on hot slicks and then see what happens.

Our cars are already so quick, that 0-60s will be defined pretty much by technique. The more power you have the more technique you will need. Dont asusme that your 400bhp will hit 60 any quicker, infact it will probably be slower. 0-100 is a different matter.

Tuning cars is a mugs game in terms of returns. You will see hardly any of the money you spent back.

I think you would be better off tuning a car you know well and have already spent major money on, than starting again with something like an evo or a skyline.

Although I would be much happi3er knowing you had the yaw control to help you out whilst you are driving. That way at least there is less chance of you taking someone else with you.

 

The guy who is got that skyline got his engine direct from Japan the block.There are rollers who can take up to 850 and thats not from tdi(the skyline).No joke Tdi had built a 750 supra,but i dont want to start with this again.He spent as much money as a GT3 to build it!.He is got always reliability problems anyway..Thats a complete different story.I dont use the power to race round towns.If i want to race I will take my car to the autobahn in Germany-No limits.I don't race my car from traffic lights etc etc.I have never put my self onto danger or others.I don't use my car to see if its faster than a micra or a Nova-You don't know much about me but i'm a quite experienced driver,i've had lots of other performance cars b4(RWDs) but I don't want to go into this.
I think you are quite right about making that 420 convertion i think i'll probably do it,i'm not 100% clear though on making my decision(i would like to test drive a skyline).The other thing is i'm getting quickly bored with cars-I tend to keep them for 1 to 1 1/2 year.My scoob though is hard to get bored of it cause its nice to drive etc etc..I suppose i'll see in the near future what I will do.

 

I never made up anu stories,to be very honest i hate people who say stories.Thats me.When i was talking about races on the roads I wasn't meaning what you think.I love power but always on a safe side,i'm sure most of scoob owners have a go sometimes with their car,but never go stupid just have a bit of fun sometimes at places where there are no people(through a forest in the night or on a straight big motorway somewhere)....

 

wasnt having a go, just after all your, i raced this, and I raced that, and your refusla to go on track, it seemed a bit odd that you havent raced anyone on the streets.

 

Yeah i know i have raced some cars but as I said i dont do it anywhere anytime Adam..(not in towns)-Nowhere dangerous.But I dont want to start this again Adam...I've actually arranged a meeting with Simon for next Monday to come down and take some pics of my car

 

scoobycrazy, in the end the decision is yours! But if you are going to spend all this money and then sell it in a years time, I dont really see the point? unless you have money to burn!