Newage twin scroll turbo 650 bhp front turbo project
21 June 2009, 10:46 PM
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JP4 I have just bought a set of 17's as I don't want to keep ruining my 18's and I'll see what tyres I end up with?? At the moment the have potenzas <spelling> on ???
Boost will be 2.2bar right thru
At the moment it tails off at 1.6bar after 5000rpm 
Thats why it ain't much of a 1/4 mile car?
Boost will be 2.2bar right thru
At the moment it tails off at 1.6bar after 5000rpm Thats why it ain't much of a 1/4 mile car?
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22 June 2009, 06:18 PM
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JP4 I have just bought a set of 17's as I don't want to keep ruining my 18's and I'll see what tyres I end up with?? At the moment the have potenzas <spelling> on ???
Boost will be 2.2bar right thru At the moment it tails off at 1.6bar after 5000rpm Thats why it ain't much of a 1/4 mile car?
Boost will be 2.2bar right thru
At the moment it tails off at 1.6bar after 5000rpm Thats why it ain't much of a 1/4 mile car?2.2 - now that's some boost alright.
Peter - I will keep out of your's and Stevebt's way as mine will be a mere mortal compared to your two Speed Demons on the strip!
22 June 2009, 06:39 PM
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fair play it obviously works look at zens car but saying that rcm win everything and they use a rotated setup im increasing the cc to get better low down push while the beast spools up. i just always saw that setup as potential hassle as the turbo is right by fmic an rad, surely raising intake temps, any sort of front end damage and you have a turbo, headers and exhaust to replace, and the belts, wont they slcken with the heat from the turbo. anyway you know your stuff this project looks awsome
ill be watching it right the way through. maybe when its complete i could have a look. my car is one or two below you in projects section
ill be watching it right the way through. maybe when its complete i could have a look. my car is one or two below you in projects section
22 June 2009, 07:33 PM
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02 July 2009, 10:20 PM
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Oh absolutely. I'm just jealous cos it isn't in the rules for me in club challenge
Olly is a top bloke, fantastic driver and a generally great chap.
The gobstopper is an amazing car too and I am sure will do awesomely at TOTB - hopefully we can retain the trophy. Will be very hard though.
Olly is a top bloke, fantastic driver and a generally great chap.
The gobstopper is an amazing car too and I am sure will do awesomely at TOTB - hopefully we can retain the trophy. Will be very hard though.
02 July 2009, 10:45 PM
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well said , totally agree with that duncan
however i wouldnt like to put nos on mine as it has head gaskets and in my veiw and experience a think by running nos when you have head gaskets then you are asking for trouble at that level. wills rings is the main reason he is able to run this amount of nos,in my opinion, however wills rings will not be going on mine or yours or any other 2.5 unless grp n changes from 2 litre to 2.5. so if you ask me thats why people get pi-sed off with the clarks and nos,because we all want too, but we just no it wont last on our engines without wills rings. and me for one havent got the time or the patience to be taking my engine in and out at the end of an event anymore.obviously there will be some exceptions poping up probebly on this thread. but running nos on a drag strip and running it on track for multiple laps, stevie wonder can see which application would do the most damage, and that is clearly why the clarks get a great deal of respect from me.
good luck at totb, i will be there, trying to keep my steering wheel straight as i have had close to zero time in my car and it scares me alot
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however i wouldnt like to put nos on mine as it has head gaskets and in my veiw and experience a think by running nos when you have head gaskets then you are asking for trouble at that level. wills rings is the main reason he is able to run this amount of nos,in my opinion, however wills rings will not be going on mine or yours or any other 2.5 unless grp n changes from 2 litre to 2.5. so if you ask me thats why people get pi-sed off with the clarks and nos,because we all want too, but we just no it wont last on our engines without wills rings. and me for one havent got the time or the patience to be taking my engine in and out at the end of an event anymore.obviously there will be some exceptions poping up probebly on this thread. but running nos on a drag strip and running it on track for multiple laps, stevie wonder can see which application would do the most damage, and that is clearly why the clarks get a great deal of respect from me.
good luck at totb, i will be there, trying to keep my steering wheel straight as i have had close to zero time in my car and it scares me alot
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03 July 2009, 03:47 PM
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Will the angles of the take off pipe for the wastegate affect boost control ie boost creep?
I've heard that when running a twin scroll turbo with single wastegate set up that anything over 90 degrees will cause boost creep as it can't dump exhaust gas quick enough but will this be the same when rinning twin wastegates?
The angles on my set up looks like 135 degrees but the area of the twin 38mm wastegates is considerably bigger than a single 44mm.
Any answers would be appreciated.
Thanks
Peter
I've heard that when running a twin scroll turbo with single wastegate set up that anything over 90 degrees will cause boost creep as it can't dump exhaust gas quick enough but will this be the same when rinning twin wastegates?
The angles on my set up looks like 135 degrees but the area of the twin 38mm wastegates is considerably bigger than a single 44mm.
Any answers would be appreciated.
Thanks
Peter
03 July 2009, 05:29 PM
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Whats the difference between the "wills" and "O" rings then?
Does this also mean that Banny's "wills" rings will be inferior to RCM's versions?
03 July 2009, 06:00 PM
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i am quite sure that rings that banny is getting will be the best available
chy has got a lot of knowledge regarding things like this and if any one can locate wills rings for bannys i am sure chy can. all i know is that last year they were not readily available. times move on
03 July 2009, 07:42 PM
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They are silver plated inconel rings and are in no way inferior to the rings RCM use, I was being pedantic when I called them Wills rings as it made it easier for the masses to understand what I was referring to.
Chy is having them made to his spec after hours of R&D, so you will be getting top line stuff and Pennine Subaru will be the first to offer them for any size engine not just the 2 litre setup like RCM.
Banny
Chy is having them made to his spec after hours of R&D, so you will be getting top line stuff and Pennine Subaru will be the first to offer them for any size engine not just the 2 litre setup like RCM.
Banny
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They are silver plated inconel rings and are in no way inferior to the rings RCM use, I was being pedantic when I called them Wills rings as it made it easier for the masses to understand what I was referring to.
Chy is having them made to his spec after hours of R&D, so you will be getting top line stuff and Pennine Subaru will be the first to offer them for any size engine not just the 2 litre setup like RCM.
Banny
Chy is having them made to his spec after hours of R&D, so you will be getting top line stuff and Pennine Subaru will be the first to offer them for any size engine not just the 2 litre setup like RCM.
Banny
about time, this is what the subaru tuning industry needs to enable people like myself to carry on tuning and not giving up because you cant get past the point where your head gasket goes as soon as you put some half decent hp through your motor.
i think i will put the evo on the back burner for a year or two he he
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They are silver plated inconel rings and are in no way inferior to the rings RCM use, I was being pedantic when I called them Wills rings as it made it easier for the masses to understand what I was referring to.
Chy is having them made to his spec after hours of R&D, so you will be getting top line stuff and Pennine Subaru will be the first to offer them for any size engine not just the 2 litre setup like RCM.
Banny
Chy is having them made to his spec after hours of R&D, so you will be getting top line stuff and Pennine Subaru will be the first to offer them for any size engine not just the 2 litre setup like RCM.
Banny
You will be able to check out my scoob when you visit him tomorrow.
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Will the angles of the take off pipe for the wastegate affect boost control ie boost creep?
I've heard that when running a twin scroll turbo with single wastegate set up that anything over 90 degrees will cause boost creep as it can't dump exhaust gas quick enough but will this be the same when rinning twin wastegates?
The angles on my set up looks like 135 degrees but the area of the twin 38mm wastegates is considerably bigger than a single 44mm.
Any answers would be appreciated.
Thanks
Peter
I've heard that when running a twin scroll turbo with single wastegate set up that anything over 90 degrees will cause boost creep as it can't dump exhaust gas quick enough but will this be the same when rinning twin wastegates?
The angles on my set up looks like 135 degrees but the area of the twin 38mm wastegates is considerably bigger than a single 44mm.
Any answers would be appreciated.
Thanks
Peter
Any thoughts on this then?
Currently i'm in Boston USA doing the surfing LOL
Will be back in 11 days
04 July 2009, 07:56 PM
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Boston! Very nice, last time I was there I meant to head down to the italian district as its supposed to be excellent but I never got the time. I think watching too many gangster films has you wondering about the people you talk to due to that accent
04 July 2009, 11:28 PM
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Should be fine if mapped correctly. Remember, i have run Marks car for over 3 years with a similar setup and no issues until i stripped 2nd gear and hit the limiter with a full shot of nitrous!
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Will the angles of the take off pipe for the wastegate affect boost control ie boost creep?
I've heard that when running a twin scroll turbo with single wastegate set up that anything over 90 degrees will cause boost creep as it can't dump exhaust gas quick enough but will this be the same when rinning twin wastegates?
The angles on my set up looks like 135 degrees but the area of the twin 38mm wastegates is considerably bigger than a single 44mm.
Any answers would be appreciated.
Thanks
Peter
I've heard that when running a twin scroll turbo with single wastegate set up that anything over 90 degrees will cause boost creep as it can't dump exhaust gas quick enough but will this be the same when rinning twin wastegates?
The angles on my set up looks like 135 degrees but the area of the twin 38mm wastegates is considerably bigger than a single 44mm.
Any answers would be appreciated.
Thanks
Peter
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Here is a wee update from the past wee while.
As usual stuff always take longer than forcasted but as this is not an off the shelf mod it is to be expected.
Got the headers and exhaust back from ceramic coating and big thanks to Wullie @ Meercat for sorting it out.
And all fitted back on to the car.This pic also shows the support that is being fabricated to support the custom rad and fmic combo.The cradle will be able to be detacted from the car holding both the rad and fmic in one big unit.
Some more close up shots of the coating.
Now just waiting for the intercooler to arrive from the USA and the next part can be done.
As usual stuff always take longer than forcasted but as this is not an off the shelf mod it is to be expected.
Got the headers and exhaust back from ceramic coating and big thanks to Wullie @ Meercat for sorting it out.
And all fitted back on to the car.This pic also shows the support that is being fabricated to support the custom rad and fmic combo.The cradle will be able to be detacted from the car holding both the rad and fmic in one big unit.
Some more close up shots of the coating.
Now just waiting for the intercooler to arrive from the USA and the next part can be done.