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Old Apr 27, 2009 | 04:54 PM
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The future government be it blue or red will have to raise even more taxes than what we are lead to believe, The shortfall is going to be far worse than the inital estimates say,
I will state here and now that road pricing will be brought in by a government by 2015 as an additional tax to suppliment their revenues.And the masses will believe that its for our own good to protect the planet.
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Old Apr 27, 2009 | 05:51 PM
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sorry rich boys i didnt go to a private school. i ment tax the hell out of you and i hope they tax you lot more i hate rich people your all fake and dont give a monkeys for any normal poeple, I hope you loose every thing and come back to the real world end of and here are some full stops .................................................. ....
Can you please explain the connection between private education and having the ability to write in basic english?
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Old Apr 27, 2009 | 06:13 PM
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Deep, surely this is the answer to your previous question about whether to take on more work?

These rules will give strange anomalies to the amount of tax paid and reduce productivity.
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Old Apr 27, 2009 | 06:47 PM
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sorry **** bandit i was at school when maggie was in and she even stole the milk i.e the milk snacther, that why my schooling was not that good becuase they did nothing for the uk apart from f*ck it up any bum boys private school weaners im off this is now borring id love to punch you all in the head maybe one day were meet and we can HAVE A MANS CONVERSATION
So, all poor people are ok, all rich people are evil homosexuals and you wish to physically punish them ?

So, if you come into money by some freak of chance will you take up being gay ?

I am not "rich", I don't do bad and appreciate my situation, I didn't go to private school and I can spell, guess what I taught myself a lot of that as its a basic requirement for a lot of jobs, don't get sh1tty about it, just go and improve you literacy and don't blame anyone else for your shortcomings, your own destiny is in you own hands, up to you.


Why the us and them attitude, you have a major chip on your shoulder, and MANS CONVERSATION I suppose means fighting,

Mate, you cant fight the whole world.
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Old Apr 27, 2009 | 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by john banks
Deep, surely this is the answer to your previous question about whether to take on more work?

These rules will give strange anomalies to the amount of tax paid and reduce productivity.
You've hit the nail on the head mate. I was deciding whether to slow down or not and this has made the decision for me. Not such a big deal to the country if I slow down (but I will spend less of course, ie no new car for the forseeable future etc) but when job creators do the same thing the impact on the country is obvious
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Old Apr 27, 2009 | 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
I understand what you are saying there but i,m not sure thats quite correct -
symantics maybe

anyway I wonder how many people are on a PAYE salary of 150k --- i suspect very very few
A few thousand footballers at least.

I have a good friend earning £8kpw for a championship side paying tax through PAYE. The wageslip below shows a top Liverpool star paying PAYE also..

Liverpool star fumes as payslip turns up on web | Metro.co.uk
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Old Apr 27, 2009 | 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Mitchy260
A few thousand footballers at least.

I have a good friend earning £8kpw for a championship side paying tax through PAYE. The wageslip below shows a top Liverpool star paying PAYE also..

Liverpool star fumes as payslip turns up on web | Metro.co.uk
dont some fooballers negotiate contracts where they get paid gross of tax, and the tax part is paid by the football club

point taken mitch -- but back to the real world!!!
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Old Apr 27, 2009 | 10:37 PM
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Deducted at source Items below must be your choice mustn't they, so why deducted at source? 49% tax on all earnings leads to 2 questions (a) are there any further stealth taxes (b) if it's so bad why do you put up with it?

If the answer to (a) is no then I doubt that you're any worse off than us in the UK!

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Originally Posted by Wurzel
We also do not have a NHS so I have to have:

Private medical insurance.
Loss of job insurance
Public liability insurance
Going into a nursing home insurance.
Reunification of Germany tax.

And all this is deducted from my salary at source resulting in 49% deductions every month, And I do not earn very much to start with.

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Old Apr 27, 2009 | 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by J4CKO
I personally cannot be that sympathetic to someone earning over £150,000 a year paying a bit more tax, most will pay an accountant to avoid it anyway, though there are noises about closing loopholes.

Anyone on 150k is not going to be plunged into poverty and saying that everyone should get of their ***** and work hard to get to that level is ludicrous, most people even if working really hard dont get to that level, I myself earn 50k, a bit of additional tax about 150k wont stop me trying to improve my salary as the extra 100k plus would come in handy.

No matter what we do, we still need people to empty bins, clean bogs, handle luggage, serve coffee and all those other crap jobs, these arent people who arent trying, it may be that they have not had the breaks, dont have the required intelligence to operate in the 150k bracket so why taxing them at 40% is a good idea I dont know, that would mean that it is not worth working any more for a lot, some choose to work for pride rather than claiming benefits but that kind of decision is made much harder when it is actually more productive to do so.


If you are earning that kind of money, lets face it, you arent going to go hungry, dont feel so hard done by, enjoy your priveleiged position.

I do also think that labour should now leave the middle classes alone and concentrate on getting the spongers back to work and take a good long look at who is in the country and why, we have enough people without letting millions more in.
Well said.

People working in the crap jobs are doing so for many different reasons, but at least they are out there working. I am one of them, and while I am not going to explain my circumstances, I'd rather be doing a this, than sponging.

Jobs need to be done, and people for whatever reason need to be doing them, so taxing the hell out of them is only going to discourage people from bothering even more. Taking a proposed 40% off low earners will only turn more people to the benefit lifestyle, making matters far worse. Surely it's better people are in work, and allowed to earn a slightly higher amount, due to paying less out in tax, than them not working at all, and being paid for.

I can't really say whether I am in favour of taxing higher earners more (being a low earner) as I am not in the position of being personally effected. I could easily say, yeah go ahead, they can afford it, but I don't think that's a fair comment from me personally. I don't claim to have any answers, but money needs to be raised, I just wonder how much our beloved politicians will be affected by rolling this out.
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Old Apr 28, 2009 | 12:03 AM
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Is it just chance that they earn £60-70k ish with another £150k in expenses claims which of course isn't subject to tax

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I just wonder how much our beloved politicians will be affected by rolling this out.
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Old Apr 28, 2009 | 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Terminator X
Is it just chance that they earn £60-70k ish with another £150k in expenses claims which of course isn't subject to tax

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I some how doubt it.
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Old Apr 28, 2009 | 10:16 AM
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anyway I wonder how many people are on a PAYE salary of 150k --- i suspect very very few
I would suggest hundreds of thousands. its not a truly enourmous salary. Many @ senior management /sales etc will be earning that on very straightforward PAYE salaries. Almost all are happy to contribute to society and dont go out of their way to avoid tax....until the tax burden reaches apoint it feels "unfair" and then it will take off.
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Old Apr 28, 2009 | 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Terminator X
Deducted at source Items below must be your choice mustn't they, so why deducted at source? 49% tax on all earnings leads to 2 questions (a) are there any further stealth taxes (b) if it's so bad why do you put up with it?

If the answer to (a) is no then I doubt that you're any worse off than us in the UK!

TX.
No they are not optional they are compulsary and as I say deducted at source.

The private health insurance over here is really expensive, I was paying around 500 euros a month of which my employer reimbursed 50% each month.

The rest is deducted.

Sorry I lie public liability insurance is not decucted but you need it by law so you have to set that up yourself.

Petrol here is currently €1,38.9c a litre for v power or ultimate of which 82% is tax.

My road tax for my MY00 scooby is €146 per year
my car insurance is nearly a grand a year for TPFT basically.

Food is generally abit cheaper here but not much in it now. eating out is better, the cost is cheaper and the service is much better.

I just bought a house in a hick town and have to pay yearly for

Rubbish collection
Water to and from the house
Ground tax for the ground my house is on

The good thing is I only pay for rubbish collection of rubbish that can not be recycled, anything recylable is collected free including glass and paper.

I do not know what stealth taxes you are all on about so can not comment.

Why am I here?

It is because I have a job and house here, I live in a small village on the edge of the Black Forest, I am under 2 hours from Switzerland, Austria, Czech, France etc. Next weekend I am going to the World downhill mountain bike championship in La Bresse, France around 270km from my house. I can nip to switzerland and visit my mate in just over 2 hours or just to have a burger at lake Constance. I can lave my car parked anywhere and know it will still be there when I get back hours or weeks later. When I am in bad mood I jump in my car and thrash it as fast as possible down the motorway to switzerland and back!!

Yes taxes, red tape and beuerocracy is rife here but the country is great if you accept it that is, if you resist and fight it you will not get on here.
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Old Apr 28, 2009 | 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Wurzel
No they are not optional they are compulsary and as I say deducted at source.

The private health insurance over here is really expensive, I was paying around 500 euros a month of which my employer reimbursed 50% each month.

The rest is deducted.

Sorry I lie public liability insurance is not decucted but you need it by law so you have to set that up yourself.

Petrol here is currently €1,38.9c a litre for v power or ultimate of which 82% is tax.

My road tax for my MY00 scooby is €146 per year
my car insurance is nearly a grand a year for TPFT basically.

Food is generally abit cheaper here but not much in it now. eating out is better, the cost is cheaper and the service is much better.

I just bought a house in a hick town and have to pay yearly for

Rubbish collection
Water to and from the house
Ground tax for the ground my house is on

The good thing is I only pay for rubbish collection of rubbish that can not be recycled, anything recylable is collected free including glass and paper.

I do not know what stealth taxes you are all on about so can not comment.

Why am I here?

It is because I have a job and house here, I live in a small village on the edge of the Black Forest, I am under 2 hours from Switzerland, Austria, Czech, France etc. Next weekend I am going to the World downhill mountain bike championship in La Bresse, France around 270km from my house. I can nip to switzerland and visit my mate in just over 2 hours or just to have a burger at lake Constance. I can lave my car parked anywhere and know it will still be there when I get back hours or weeks later. When I am in bad mood I jump in my car and thrash it as fast as possible down the motorway to switzerland and back!!

Yes taxes, red tape and beuerocracy is rife here but the country is great if you accept it that is, if you resist and fight it you will not get on here.
That's similar to the UK though, but you probably have a better social attitude over there, and not as many chav/crime issues as us.

We pay for our bins to be emptied, we pay for healthcare on the NHS, except dentists which we have to pay for privately, we pay water rates, £1 - £1.20 a litre for fuel, £300+ for road tax per year, ground rent and so on. Eating out now costs £3.50 a pint, and a descent meal out is £30-50 a head now. Not that there is any point going out as everywhere is empty!!

Stealth taxes are all the other things we get taxed on that are wrapped up as something else.

Regardless of tax I think Europe is a much nicer place to be than the UK at the minute.
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