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Old Apr 22, 2009 | 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by BlkKnight
The actual kill zone on a pigeon is actually quite small (head & neck).

If you hit anywhere else it'll most likely fly off a short distance in pain.

I recommend that you set up a range in your garden (similar to that at which you are shooting pests). Once when can reliably get 10 out of 10 shots inside a 10p piece should you even start to think about shooting beasties.

If you are going to shoot 1.77, you should get a heavy shot to give more impact. I use "exact heavy" by diablo. Tins of 500 were about £10.
Not forgettign their crop is usually full of small grit and food, so effectivly armour. Its quite common for a hit there not to penetrate through and not kill the bird.
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Old Apr 22, 2009 | 09:21 AM
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for the uneducated:

(I had to google )

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Old Apr 22, 2009 | 10:34 AM
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YHPM!

Got it




I will have my sharp shooter by the end of the week i hope


I am going to be really nice to the pigeons for a few days to lull them into a false sense of security, then BANG
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Old Apr 22, 2009 | 10:53 AM
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Its awful to see a creature die in pain. Get plenty of practice in before you start on the pigeons SS.

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Old Apr 22, 2009 | 11:05 AM
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Can a "legal" (without a license) air rifle (sub 12lbs/ft) take out a rabbit properly? We have hundreds of them here and some are mixy afflicted and need culling.

Not sure if I have the time or inclination to go down the "gun license" route.

Don't know much about air rifles but am an experienced range shot from Army training.
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Old Apr 22, 2009 | 11:06 AM
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something like this may be a bit more useful.... accuracy may not be as good as a .177 but killing is no issue whatsoever

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Old Apr 22, 2009 | 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Matteeboy
Can a "legal" (without a license) air rifle (sub 12lbs/ft) take out a rabbit properly? We have hundreds of them here and some are mixy afflicted and need culling.

Not sure if I have the time or inclination to go down the "gun license" route.

Don't know much about air rifles but am an experienced range shot from Army training.
The police told me that i don't need a license for what i want to do

Dont Worry Les, i am going to do this properly. I am getting some rabbit target practice at the weekend

Looks like i will be armed tomorrow if all works out well
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Old Apr 22, 2009 | 11:20 AM
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Sarah - not the rabbits (fine to shoot them) - it's the pressure the rifle exerts. If over 12lbs/ft, you need a firearms license. Most get as close as possible without exceeding it.

Mredge - WTF is that?! Makes a Barrett look compact!
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Old Apr 22, 2009 | 11:21 AM
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Matteeboy - yes, but use heavier pellets. Head & upper neck shots (shoulder gets in the way if slightly out)
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Old Apr 22, 2009 | 11:24 AM
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Not sure Mattee..... but I bet the recoil dislocates your shoulder lol
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Old Apr 22, 2009 | 11:27 AM
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Shoulder 99% fine now - thanks for asking...
Cheers Blk Knight.
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Old Apr 22, 2009 | 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Matteeboy
Can a "legal" (without a license) air rifle (sub 12lbs/ft) take out a rabbit properly? We have hundreds of them here and some are mixy afflicted and need culling.

Not sure if I have the time or inclination to go down the "gun license" route.

Don't know much about air rifles but am an experienced range shot from Army training.

Yes, easily.

Just know your own limitaions and put the practice in. As a general rule of thumb, its reccomended by the press not to excede 40 yards, but thats down to rifle / you. I will quite happily take 50 yard shots if I feel 100% comfortable with it.

However in real life, stop when you can't group 10 pellets in side a 1/2 - 3/4" ring.

My rifle will group sub 1/2" at 60!!! Under hunting conditions I can't, so I don't.
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Old Apr 22, 2009 | 11:37 AM
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Simon - done several APWTs and always got good results but that's with an SA80 and LMG not an air rifle! Used to shoot air rifles and was a good shot but that was a while ago. My eyesight is now slightly worse!

Cheers though - happy to take out rabbits but not torture them.
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Old Apr 22, 2009 | 11:45 AM
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Stay with what the MOD taught you and you'll be fine. I prefer head shots on things like bunnies, cos the range is close enough to do it. Its also effective and instant.

Unlike the SUSAT though, zero your scope dead on.
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Old Apr 22, 2009 | 11:49 AM
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We had "people" to zero our rifles in our APWTs - looking back that's actually pretty sad!

Now the next question (sorry!) - are there any good brands that don't cost silly money? Gamo seem good value but might well be pants?
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Old Apr 22, 2009 | 11:55 AM
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Depends on the budget really.

Air arms S200 is a good little rifle that doesn't cost the earth, and is a precharge (so is whisper quiet).
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Old Apr 22, 2009 | 11:59 AM
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Aren't you allowed to dynamite rabbits these days?
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Old Apr 22, 2009 | 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by DCI Gene Hunt
Aren't you allowed to dynamite rabbits these days?

You would be picking bits out of your teeth all day
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Old Apr 22, 2009 | 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Matteeboy
We had "people" to zero our rifles in our APWTs - looking back that's actually pretty sad!

Now the next question (sorry!) - are there any good brands that don't cost silly money? Gamo seem good value but might well be pants?
Matteeboy,

I'm sure there will be people local to you who would love to come and shoot your rabbits. Ask around your village, I know i'd jump at the chance if I was down your way. Saves you messing about if you've not got the time
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I thought that outbreaks of the Mitzy rabbit disease thing had to be reported so they can all be killed humanely. I found one a few years ago, its eyes were revolting and all gooey, i took it to the vets and they put it down. I even wrapped it up in my coat so it was comfy
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Old Apr 22, 2009 | 12:41 PM
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You don't have to report Mitzy.
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Old Apr 22, 2009 | 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by sarasquares
I even wrapped it up in my coat so it was comfy
Have you experienced puffy eyes of late?

*loads gun*
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Old Apr 22, 2009 | 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by sarasquares
Got it




I will have my sharp shooter by the end of the week i hope


I am going to be really nice to the pigeons for a few days to lull them into a false sense of security, then BANG
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Old Apr 22, 2009 | 01:02 PM
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I think you used to have to report it in the old days lol



Tomorrow i will be on the road with a gun in my back seat and enough shot to kill a whale
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Old Apr 22, 2009 | 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by sarasquares
I thought that outbreaks of the Mitzy rabbit disease thing had to be reported so they can all be killed humanely. I found one a few years ago, its eyes were revolting and all gooey, i took it to the vets and they put it down. I even wrapped it up in my coat so it was comfy
I have grabbed a couple by the hind legs and smashed their heads against the ground to kill them - it's deeply unpleasant and they twitch for ages
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Old Apr 22, 2009 | 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Matteeboy
I have grabbed a couple by the hind legs and smashed their heads against the ground to kill them - it's deeply unpleasant
It's even worse if you're the rabbit
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Old Apr 22, 2009 | 01:20 PM
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PCP rifles are the best, i use a .22 BSA T-10. With pidgeons a pellets to the back of the head ussually works. with rabbits always go for a head shot as sometimes they can run off with a lump of lead in their body.
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I am getting the blood lust thing now
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Old Apr 22, 2009 | 02:40 PM
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Pigeon's do the same as chickens with head / neck shots.

They run around & flap despite being brain dead / having a broken neck - not for long mind, but still not nice.
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Old Apr 22, 2009 | 03:21 PM
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I run and flap around a lot despite being brain dead. Really annoys the wife sometimes.
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