mate it sounds like you are going to blow the engine if u carry on driving this car , take it back to the mapper and MAKE him put the original map back on and then get a GOOD mapper to map it properly , dont take no crap cos you will break the car !!!!

 

agree wont do the engine any good if not running correctly,but from what have read it may be an issue with the car not the map, as for a good mapper he has come forward on a public forum and offered to resolve the problem not all would do that

 

Two sides to every story, suggest you read the mappers well thought out and helpful response before suggesting a 'good mapper', who are you to judge the original mapper!

Here ya go,
Seriously I can’t tell you for sure how your car over boosted on that night I was not there and I have not seen your car since, I also can not tell you how your car was set to 1.6 bar. If the settings where always like this the car would have always made 1.6 bar and not 1.45 what more can I say AVCR aside there may still be another issue.

Your car has never left me without "me" being 100% happy with what I have done and never would, it’s not left me over boosting or with engine lights flashing or running bad as you have pointed out.

Im not going to drag this out on a forum there really is no point it does no one any good, and to be honest with all the time spent and feed back from you I still don’t know why we are here. I would like to check the car regardless of map as I do feel there could be something else a miss or at least speak to you in person. I am also more than happy to forward the map to another mapper / tuner for there inspection if you wish or have them continue the work.

Had you have told me in the beginning you were genuinely not happy with the map and wanted a refund I would have refunded your money £200 for the map and £100 for the AVCR fitting with out question, obviously I would have been doing some head scratching after but this have never been mentioned.

I look forward to talking and hopefully resolving any issues in person.

Cheers
Neil
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Im at Niel's most of the time so see you one day down there

 

Have you ever been told that you are a imbecilic fool!

 

have you

 

you certainly aint doing yourself any favours are you

 

kareenababy you come on here asking people for advise and you call people prats hope going 4 400bhp sees you at neils and shows you whos a prat
and as for phoneing the mapper(neil) at 1 in the morning am very shocked you didnt get a fcukoff

and talking about imbecilic fools how you doing kareenababy????

 

Are you talking to yourself?

If I was the mapper I would simply tell you to **** yourself if you call me at 1am.

 

advice yes, stupid opinions no. correction didnt phone, sent a text.

 

A most entertaining thread

 

Who needs customers eh!

 

I have nothing of any value or worth to add to this thread

 

to be honest a lot of us (one way or another)

 

Ok where to start from? am a little unsure as originally i had recommended Neil to Kareenababy for the reason that i had not heard of anyone who had suffered any problems. This was also backed by the few cars i had seen @ his garage & first impressions were fine, so when i first suffered multiple faults which included Engine Check, Bad idling(as soon as i fired up the car outside the garage), Fault diagnosis for idling control valve & being told that my Apexi was spiked i nearly took legal action against JapPerformanceParts & fork out on a new ECU as now my original ecu which has never been touched (5yrs) was not & is still not working after being left @ the garage for a week? I gave Neil the benefit of the doubt but after approx 2mths without my car working i decided to ask other reputable specialists who all told me the same thing & thank goodness i did for if i my fiance had not made me feel as low as she did over Christmas i would have brought another ECU & proberbly MAP to have the same fault occur & no car again. Anyhow there's so many chances & only so much trust you can give someone so after getting the same advice everywhere i collected my faulty Apexi ecu after waiting for it to be tested? & when i connected it, the car fired up fine no problems as everyone else had suggested. Now the car has been mapped by the Jolly Green Monster who explained what he thought & since then will stick to my tried & tested sources. This does not mean i think Slowboy sets out to make you run slower & possibly my case is the only one of this kind @ the garage? fair enough but i have driven Kareenababy's car and it most certainly is no different to when the previous ecu (unsure whether it was tweaked) was in it. Kareena my WRX beat you 2wks ago & will beat you again LOL, no LO very L haha. Hope you & Neil get it up to speed this week.

 

interesting twist...

 

^Glad you understood!

 

Think I'll get the popcorn

 

Four Legs Good, Two Legs Bad

 

Heeelp

I'm confused

 

big button = enter key = readable .....

thrilling read gents ! lol

 

Is there another response from Neil?

 

Dose there need to be?

Who is Jekyl and what is there history on this site?

 

Ok, as your usually @ Slowboy's garage you may have seen a uk turbo from October-November to end Decemberb last year. You may also know K18ller who probably has heard of what has happened to my car whon you could probably ask. As for site history i have actually been following everyones comments & am not saying Kareenababy has approached this correctly but @ the same time i think if Neil could offer someone a refund for work that was nowhere severe or costly as mine was to Kareena then for a series of faults that spands to around 2mths surely he could have been as reasonable with me & make an offer especially as another mapper was needed to rectify the errors. Neil no doubt knows what he is doing, i just would have appreciated the same first class treatment.

 

Very good answer from you! I expected you to come back with something like Kareena looking for a fight?

Im sure you can understand that when someone turns up with one post it looks very suspicious

What ever problems you and slowboy have i hope you can sort them out between each other

 

First of I though this OP issue was resolved until at least I see the car as arranged with the customer.

I can understand a customer’s friend who also I have carried out work for wanting to support his side due to the nature of the way this thread is turning out but again I feel the way it’s been written it may yet again be giving the wrong opinion as it’s lacking the full story.

Chris dropped his car to me to be fitted with a Power FC and to be mapped by me, the customer supplied the ECU. The information supplied was that the car had not felt as fast since it left the last garage ECT and he was looking forward to the improvements.

Ok so a quick check over, and I proceeded to fit the power FC along with mapping the car. On the road it soon became apparent the car was not holding or making much boost, so a trip back to the workshop for another check of the intercooler pipes, actuator and so on. In no time I was back on the road mapping and Arrggg still not holding boost. I advised Chris that I suspected the actuator/Turbo was the issue iirc he was considering a new turbo at the time as the current had over 100K

So with the map not finished but a day spent on the car he was charged £150.00, the next stage was to finish the map on the new turbo which he would still only be charged for the price of one map £250.00 even though this would be spread over two days.

Only if cars where as simple.

Chris collected the car the following day and within two minutes of leaving the workshop he was back. At this point the idle control valve was opening and closing causing the car to hunt from 1000-3000ish RPM
A quick inspection of the engine bay found no faults, so I proceeded to check the ECU. After a little head scratching I plugged in the OE ECU and the car fired up fine no issues. I then re fitted the Power FC and again car fired up and idled with out issue. The first point of call was to confirm all the pins on the ECU which I did and all were seated correct. So with the car now seemingly running fine of drives Chris on the Power FC mapped to his current boost.

I can’t remember the exact time scales here, but I am sure I will be corrected if i am wrong. Some weeks latter Chris called to say the problem had come back and iirc the car was at another garage having the turbo fitted at the time. I can’t remember exactly what was arranged at this point, but the general idea was to get the car back to our workshop so I could take a look. Chris collected his OE Ecu which was left with us and then proceeded to swap the Power FC for the OE Unit in the hope to get the car idling ok so it could be driven here. Chris fitted the OE ECU only to find that the idle issue was still there along with a CEL light.

A few calls later I offered to take my laptop and tools to the garage to see if I could get the car running ok on either ECUs’, After an hour at the garage trying in the yard, in the near dark I had no luck finding the issue.

Some time later the car was dropped of to our workshop and I proceeded to find the problem. Now with out boring you to much we over a day solid trying to figure out what had happened here or in my words what “Spiked the ECU”.
The OE ECU was now showing the engine check light I assume hence the above quote. The error was lone behold the Idle control valve or circuit no surprises there. After carrying out tests with both ECU’s connected to the car resulting in the same error we proceeded to run a fresh circuit from the ecu’s to the ICV to confirm if this was wiring or pin related, alas even with the new wiring connected direct we had the same issue.

Now at this point and before this point in fact I am suspecting the Power FC could be faulty and this would be a first I have seen. As it transpires the supplier did not test the units prior to sale which does not help me confirming if this is or is not at fault (Voltages aside) as this is all I have to work from as the last point of change.

Now having tried both ECU’s with separate feeds to the ICV and the same errors, we have one option left at this point, replace the ICV This was left to last in order to avoid any unnecessary costs. Next day new ICV arrives, I fit ICV, start car and hey presto it’s exactly the bloody same as before on both ECU’s idle hunting

The Very Last option open to me and one that I was a little reluctant to try due to the cost involved if this was a wiring issue was to fit a new Simtec ECU.
So now at the next stage the Simtec was fitted to confirm if one or both of the ECU’s had been spiked or damaged. I Fitted the Simtec and the car ran perfect on the new ICV, no issues what so ever.


To summarise:

We fitted The Power FC ( Customer Supplied )
Car runs fine with me for a couple of days.
Car develops idling issues
Fit OE ECU idle issue remains, now with engine check light.
Extensive fault testing is carried out.
We run direct from the ECU to ICV on both ECU’s to confirm circuit issue idle issue still remains.
We replace ICV Idle issue still remains on old ECU’s
Fit Simtec ECU car runs fine with new ICV
Try OE ECU and Power FC again, idle issue returns.

Confused?


Based on the information above and time spent and the point that the Power FC could not be confirmed at this point to be without fault or the cause of the fault, I suggested the customer looked into another temporary ECU or contact the original supplier as I had done all I could to this point.

Chris then takes the car, I can’t remember what ECU it left on and i was to await untill the next stage.

Now To finish up and confuse this a little further, I called Chris some weeks later to see how things where progressing. I was then informed that he had refitted the Power FC and the car was running fine again with no idle issues, this was the last I heard until in fact it was mentioned by Kassam.

Now this is my account of what happened it may not be exact to the letter due to the time that has passed but I think and hope Chris will agree this is more detailed account. I would however like to correct one point in particular. The length of time your car was with me was not as you have implied, from what I remember your car would have been here for a week to 8 days in total. This would have included the original map days and the final fault diog days when it was returned from the other garage if I am not mistaken.

Apart from the original £150 charged for the map, Chris was charge for the new ICV iirc £220 ( Subaru Direct ) + £60 for the time spent on the car.

Chris, I had spoken to you on the phone several times and you had never implied that you wanted money back or in fact was un happy with the service given in the circumstances. I understand this was a complete pain and inconvenience for you but due to the nature if the above intermittent fault we could not confirm the issue 100% ether way, we had tried all we could at that time. Had you have returned the car working I would have finished the map for free in light of this.

I hope this answers any questions people may have.

Cheers
Neil

 

from what i have read you seem very kind and helpful and have to give you my respect as you have helped the customer out the best you can and deserve some credit and dont think you need this hassle threw a thread with all the time and work you have put in trying to satisfy a customer

 

+1

 

neil @ slowboy fitted my simtek plus all my parts, did the map and i deffo recommend him. had my original ecutek remap with JGM and all i can say is that my map (simtek) with neil was much better.
as people have stated, neil knows his stuff but every scoob is different

wiley

 

You can't compare an Ecutek map to a Simtek map.

It really wouldn't matter who mapped either, the Simtek would always yield a better result as it's a live map.

JGM's map's are on par with any other mappers, not only imo but alot of other's as well