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25 February 2009, 12:47 PM
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well i disagree with you on that, anybody who feels the need to pray three times a day to some god they have never met or have no proof ever existed are mentally insecure IMO
anyway what kind of god expects you to pray three times a day to him anyway? he must have quite a high opinion of him self lol
anyway what kind of god expects you to pray three times a day to him anyway? he must have quite a high opinion of him self lol
I didn't realise I was sharing a thread with such a superior soul, one that has the answers to all the questions, and one that has no emotional crutch....unless of course you drive fast, drink alcohol, smoke, watch football.........
25 February 2009, 12:47 PM
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You could do with researching before posting, it is not 3 times a day but 5. I believe what I believe I do not need to justify that you or anyone, simple as that.
If I can live my live quietly and in peace without being called a paki every other week that would be nice but I know it is not going to happen!
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If I can live my live quietly and in peace without being called a paki every other week that would be nice but I know it is not going to happen!
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what kind of god expects you to pray to him five times a day then? brainwashed is the only word that springs to mind here
nobody called you a paki here dude, why bring that into it?
25 February 2009, 12:49 PM
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i totally agree with all of the above ..
why can i not walk into my local shopping center wearing a hoodie , wich i find comfortable , but a muslim etc can walk in in a postbox ?
25 February 2009, 12:50 PM
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25 February 2009, 12:55 PM
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Because most people base their opinions regarding muslims on their experiences with Pakistanis. My brain is perfectly fine and seems to function a little better than yours judging by your replies.
I pray as it gives me time to reflect and find inner peace away from the hustle and bustle of our daily lives not that I need to justify that to you but as previously mentioned you seem to have all the answers already.
When was the last time you actually conversed with a muslim and put these questions to him or do you just go by what your read in the sun and see on the bbc?
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I pray as it gives me time to reflect and find inner peace away from the hustle and bustle of our daily lives not that I need to justify that to you but as previously mentioned you seem to have all the answers already.
When was the last time you actually conversed with a muslim and put these questions to him or do you just go by what your read in the sun and see on the bbc?
Banny
25 February 2009, 01:03 PM
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are you sure, if you feel the need to pray five times a day to somebody who dosent/ has never existed then i beg to differ...like i mentioned brainwashed springs to mind
i usually have a coffee when i feel like that, a bit less sore on the knees as well
two days ago in the kebab shop, i know them all by quite well and often have a bullsh1t with them when im in, im not the anti muslim you might think i am
two days ago in the kebab shop, i know them all by quite well and often have a bullsh1t with them when im in, im not the anti muslim you might think i am
25 February 2009, 02:54 PM
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Because most people base their opinions regarding muslims on their experiences with Pakistanis. My brain is perfectly fine and seems to function a little better than yours judging by your replies.
I pray as it gives me time to reflect and find inner peace away from the hustle and bustle of our daily lives not that I need to justify that to you but as previously mentioned you seem to have all the answers already.
When was the last time you actually conversed with a muslim and put these questions to him or do you just go by what your read in the sun and see on the bbc?
Banny
I pray as it gives me time to reflect and find inner peace away from the hustle and bustle of our daily lives not that I need to justify that to you but as previously mentioned you seem to have all the answers already.
When was the last time you actually conversed with a muslim and put these questions to him or do you just go by what your read in the sun and see on the bbc?
Banny
Religion is a very personal thing and unless it encroaches onto my life, I do not care what people believe in. It is everyones right to believe in something, if they chose too.
All this baloney about Muslims wanting to take over us and the world, well. I will believe it, if and when I see it with my own eyes, not the papers/tv scaremongering.
Of course there will be extremists, it would not be religion if there wasn't. Look back over the years and almost all religions have been guilty.
25 February 2009, 03:04 PM
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So would a better aproach be for the Muslim communities in the islamic "hot spots" to combat the problem more directly?
It seams (like this thread has spiraled into) that Muslims do not like being told what to think/do by non muslims...
As do religious people do not like being told what to think/do by the non religious.
Just a thought.... I don't want to have to emigrate with my family because this country goes to the dogs...
It seams (like this thread has spiraled into) that Muslims do not like being told what to think/do by non muslims...
As do religious people do not like being told what to think/do by the non religious.
Just a thought.... I don't want to have to emigrate with my family because this country goes to the dogs...
25 February 2009, 03:06 PM
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because it is brainwashed into people as children and they grow up with it knowing nothing else, this isnt pointed at muslims BTW, but all religions in general, give children the choice pray to some god you will never meet who dosent exist or go outside and play with your friends i think i already know the answer to that myself 
25 February 2009, 03:17 PM
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25 February 2009, 03:32 PM
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Thats because the real religion may give some people a code of ethics to stick by (to lead their lives with half decency, at least); a crutch to support them when they have no hopes against no hopes. Better than getting brainwashed with a bottle of alcohol, and hurt people.
Look at the countries without any religion. I hear people every day in and out about people misbehaving, hurting one another, lacking morals, and going stray all over the place! "Common Sense" theory is a good one to go with, but how many actually do use common sense in places like that?? Please tell
I have to say that there is a religion followed by some in the UK, widely known as "Football". Lets count the number of conflicts "football" has caused, let's hear how many died for man-made leather ball. Power of the ball, eh! 
Religion has it's place, and it is a personal choice. Islam isn't the only religion glorifying their Allah. Christianity is hardly far behind with that "boxed" thought regarding something as supreme and unlimited as God; by limiting it to the humble man on the cross. It wasn't long ago I heard a Christian leader discarding all other faiths, but justifying nothing but Christianity.
Problems occur when religion starts moving away from humanity, which is the foundation of all the religions.
Why is Europe (or shall I say GB) so terrified of Islam as a religion?? If some of the terrorists have been Islamic fundamentalists, is Europe weak enough to be defeated by something as twisted as that, in moral sense? Why is Islam such a threat as a religion?? Where is Europe's own belief and confidence???
Please tell.
Look at the countries without any religion. I hear people every day in and out about people misbehaving, hurting one another, lacking morals, and going stray all over the place! "Common Sense" theory is a good one to go with, but how many actually do use common sense in places like that?? Please tell
I have to say that there is a religion followed by some in the UK, widely known as "Football". Lets count the number of conflicts "football" has caused, let's hear how many died for man-made leather ball. Power of the ball, eh! Religion has it's place, and it is a personal choice. Islam isn't the only religion glorifying their Allah. Christianity is hardly far behind with that "boxed" thought regarding something as supreme and unlimited as God; by limiting it to the humble man on the cross. It wasn't long ago I heard a Christian leader discarding all other faiths, but justifying nothing but Christianity.
Problems occur when religion starts moving away from humanity, which is the foundation of all the religions.
Why is Europe (or shall I say GB) so terrified of Islam as a religion?? If some of the terrorists have been Islamic fundamentalists, is Europe weak enough to be defeated by something as twisted as that, in moral sense? Why is Islam such a threat as a religion?? Where is Europe's own belief and confidence???
Please tell.
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25 February 2009, 03:43 PM
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The Western world is terrified of islamic fundamentalists because their faith is stronger than self preservation.... an "enemy" (I use this term to describe Islamic bombers) who do not fear self sacrifice for their religion is impossible to defend against.
A friends serving in Afganistan told me this, an 11 year old boy walks up to check point with a wheel barrow and is then blown to pieces remotely by talliban hiding from a safe distance.
How do you defend against an enemy who will use those tactics
A friends serving in Afganistan told me this, an 11 year old boy walks up to check point with a wheel barrow and is then blown to pieces remotely by talliban hiding from a safe distance.
How do you defend against an enemy who will use those tactics
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25 February 2009, 04:08 PM
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The Western world is terrified of islamic fundamentalists because their faith is stronger than self preservation.... an "enemy" (I use this term to describe Islamic bombers) who do not fear self sacrifice for their religion is impossible to defend against.
A friends serving in Afganistan told me this, an 11 year old boy walks up to check point with a wheel barrow and is then blown to pieces remotely by talliban hiding from a safe distance.
How do you defend against an enemy who will use those tactics
A friends serving in Afganistan told me this, an 11 year old boy walks up to check point with a wheel barrow and is then blown to pieces remotely by talliban hiding from a safe distance.
How do you defend against an enemy who will use those tactics
-Belive in yourselves.
-Be assured that not every muslim is going to blow himself/herself up.
-Spot the terrorism camps and the roots of terrorism, and uproot them; rather than tarring all the muslims with the same brush, and slagging Islam off. Its childish to take snippets of Quran to attack "all" Muslims.
Bear that in mind that religious books from all religions are full of mythical contents. They mean **** all for application.
-Save Islamic community from further brainwashing that sows the seeds of negative and irrational tactics in them.
Third option is ongoing (apparently).
Last option has already been taken on by the Criminal Justice guys; to prevent terrorism.
Some may say that roots of terrorism is Islam, coming from Quran. But the reality is that the book is just a book; like Lord Of The Rings
It's the blind and twisted followers that need to be encouraged not to enact the myths from the book in the real world.
25 February 2009, 04:13 PM
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The Western world is terrified of islamic fundamentalists because their faith is stronger than self preservation.... an "enemy" (I use this term to describe Islamic bombers) who do not fear self sacrifice for their religion is impossible to defend against.
A friends serving in Afganistan told me this, an 11 year old boy walks up to check point with a wheel barrow and is then blown to pieces remotely by talliban hiding from a safe distance.
How do you defend against an enemy who will use those tactics
A friends serving in Afganistan told me this, an 11 year old boy walks up to check point with a wheel barrow and is then blown to pieces remotely by talliban hiding from a safe distance.
How do you defend against an enemy who will use those tactics
25 February 2009, 04:19 PM
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all religion is based on this premise though. the simple fact is people are brainwashed to varying degrees. the terrorists who flew the planes into the twin towers were brainwashed and it was a terrible thing but worse than them are Jehovah witness's who will let their own child die when a simple blood transfusion would save their child's life.
25 February 2009, 05:07 PM
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25 February 2009, 05:51 PM
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all religion is based on this premise though. the simple fact is people are brainwashed to varying degrees. the terrorists who flew the planes into the twin towers were brainwashed and it was a terrible thing but worse than them are Jehovah witness's who will let their own child die when a simple blood transfusion would save their child's life.
About you and them,
"They" can't take over, if "you" are strong enough
Amen.
if not maybe all the religious people could take a trip to Geoegetown and do us all a favour
25 February 2009, 06:14 PM
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Its all about preception, STI. All religions are meant for better practices in the society. Twisted beliefs were the additions to gain political powers and create fears. Exaggerated myths and legends in religious books are to derive philosophy from it, not apply it in practice as it is. Therefore, it depends how one looks at the word "religion", and what one derives of it. I simply can not loathe enough any barbaric and extreme practices from any religion. I can understand why Islam is a burning question in this century, and why it is discussed to lengths. Even then, not every Muslim is a terrorist, not every Burka wearing woman is ugly.
About you and them,
"They" can't take over, if "you" are strong enough
Amen.
About you and them,
"They" can't take over, if "you" are strong enough
Amen.
Good post TH
The subject begs the question, who is the more brainwashed, the Islamic Fundimentalists or the sections of non Muslim societies who consider all Muslims to be a threat?
Of course, its not just Muslims who are seen to place their own religeous beliefs over all else. The Catholic Faith has done the same for centuries, and still does to this day. I know Muslims who are more liberal than Catholics I have known.
Every religion has its failings to society. The problem is, whilst not all Muslims are terrorists, most of the recent and significant terrorist acts have been carried out (apparently) "in the name of Islam".
And therefore large sections of can't help but feel threatened when they hear, read and experience "Muslim first, British second"
As a Scot, I'm most definately Scottish first and British second, but thats patriotism.
I'd ask the question, Can a true Muslim act entirely within the law of the UK without overly compromising their religious beliefs?
